New recipes for origin of life may point way to distant, inhabited planets https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2023/09/230919155043.htm Summary: Life on a faraway planet -- if it's out there -- might not look anything like life on Earth. But there are only so many chemical ingredients in the universe's pantry, and only so many ways to mix them. Scientists have now exploited those limitations to write a cookbook of hundreds of chemical recipes with the potential to give rise to life. Self-assembly, told you so!
New recipes for origin of life may point to distant, inhabited planets
Started by ●September 21, 2023
Reply by ●September 21, 20232023-09-21
On Thursday, September 21, 2023 at 2:33:48 PM UTC+10, Jan Panteltje wrote:> New recipes for origin of life may point way to distant, inhabited planets > https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2023/09/230919155043.htm > Summary: > Life on a faraway planet -- if it's out there -- might not look anything like life on Earth. But there are only so many chemical ingredients in the universe's pantry, and only so many ways to mix them. Scientists have now exploited those limitations to write a cookbook of hundreds of chemical recipes with the potential to give rise to life. > > Self-assembly, told you so!Save the triumphalism until somebody finds some actual evidence. The researchers have listed a bunch of potential life-starting chemicals, but this is just the hypothesis-generating stage. There's no experimental evidence to suggest that any of their hypotheses is right. -- Bill Sloman, Sydney
Reply by ●September 21, 20232023-09-21
Off-topic troll... -- Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> wrote:> Path: not-for-mail > From: Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> > Newsgroups: sci.electronics.design > Subject: New recipes for origin of life may point to distant, inhabited planets > Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2023 04:33:40 GMT > Message-ID: <uegh34$dpve$1@solani.org> > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: text/plain; ISO-8859-15 > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit > Injection-Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2023 04:33:40 -0000 (UTC) > Injection-Info: solani.org; logging-data="452590"; mail-complaints-to="abuse@news.solani.org" > User-Agent: NewsFleX-1.5.7.5 (Linux-5.15.32-v7l+) > Cancel-Lock: sha1:cO+wBkBoKU004eTpEQZFzQeVG40= > X-User-ID: eJwNwoERwCAIBLCVxIdHxgEs+49gLzFQ2K40qo3NIEOm3FchUjYqK7+T+N3mCue6PGhy6+hIGDoxHnpK0Q9hYBWO > X-Newsreader-location: NewsFleX-1.5.7.5 (c) 'LIGHTSPEED' off line news reader for the Linux platform NewsFleX homepage: http://www.panteltje.nl/panteltje/newsflex/ and ftp download ftp://sunsite.unc.edu/pub/linux/system/news/readers/ > X-Received-Bytes: 1693
Reply by ●September 21, 20232023-09-21
On Thu, 21 Sep 2023 04:33:40 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> wrote:>New recipes for origin of life may point way to distant, inhabited planets > https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2023/09/230919155043.htm >Summary: > Life on a faraway planet -- if it's out there -- might not look anything like life on Earth. But there are only so many chemical ingredients in the universe's pantry, and only so many ways to mix them. Scientists have now exploited those limitations to write a cookbook of hundreds of chemical recipes with the potential to give rise to life. > >Self-assembly, told you so!A bunch of bottles filled with chemicals don't generate life any more than a box full of electronic parts creates a computer. The issue isn't parts, it's design. DNA won't self-assemble from a jar full of colored water with stuff dissolved. The math has been done on that.
Reply by ●September 21, 20232023-09-21
On Friday, September 22, 2023 at 12:35:16 AM UTC+10, John Larkin wrote:> On Thu, 21 Sep 2023 04:33:40 GMT, Jan Panteltje <al...@comet.invalid> > wrote: > >New recipes for origin of life may point way to distant, inhabited planets > > https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2023/09/230919155043.htm > >Summary: > > Life on a faraway planet -- if it's out there -- might not look anything like life on Earth. But there are only so many chemical ingredients in the universe's pantry, and only so many ways to mix them. Scientists have now exploited those limitations to write a cookbook of hundreds of chemical recipes with the potential to give rise to life. > > > >Self-assembly, told you so! > > A bunch of bottles filled with chemicals don't generate life any more than a box full of electronic parts creates a computer. The issue isn't parts, it's design.If you are a fan of intelligent design, also known as creationism.> DNA won't self-assemble from a jar full of colored water with stuff dissolved. The math has been done on that.It's fairy clear that life was originally based on RNA, not DNA. Anybody who wasted their time on calculating the probability of self-replicating DNA assembling at random from random nucleic acids would have to have been regrettably ill-informed. -- Bill Sloman, Sydney
Reply by ●September 21, 20232023-09-21
The idiot John Larkin <jl@997arbor.com> persisting in being an Off-topic troll... -- John Larkin <jl@997arbor.com> wrote:> Path: not-for-mail > NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2023 14:35:03 +0000 > From: John Larkin <jl@997arbor.com> > Newsgroups: sci.electronics.design > Subject: Re: New recipes for origin of life may point to distant, inhabited planets > Date: Thu, 21 Sep 2023 07:34:56 -0700 > Message-ID: <0okogitsqq469s48m72g8h36unr2hh1p25@4ax.com> > References: <uegh34$dpve$1@solani.org> > X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 3.1/32.783 > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Lines: 17 > X-Trace: sv3-8qAXdrkn30muxvWYJfZoxDQjLRmVGTZ47fWUzyr9tGY+gxE4eKR4qWtXCoNHquD30VTd4W+W7Bl2qFC!zL3KIyHfcuyJAD1FiPQSFwOigzGdWwHOtbYbBw++Mk64Hwsyu6BUBxKq44nDZH/FPjA/ScLaNiXT!HYgjMA== > X-Complaints-To: www.supernews.com/docs/abuse.html > X-DMCA-Complaints-To: www.supernews.com/docs/dmca.html > X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers > X-Abuse-and-DMCA-Info: Otherwise we will be unable to process your complaint properly > X-Postfilter: 1.3.40 > Bytes: 1959 > X-Received-Bytes: 2146
Reply by ●September 22, 20232023-09-22
On a sunny day (Thu, 21 Sep 2023 07:34:56 -0700) it happened John Larkin <jl@997arbor.com> wrote in <0okogitsqq469s48m72g8h36unr2hh1p25@4ax.com>:>On Thu, 21 Sep 2023 04:33:40 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> >wrote: > >>New recipes for origin of life may point way to distant, inhabited planets >> https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2023/09/230919155043.htm >>Summary: >> Life on a faraway planet -- if it's out there -- might not look anything like life on Earth. But there are only so many >> chemical ingredients in the universe's pantry, and only so many ways to mix them. Scientists have now exploited those limitations >> to write a cookbook of hundreds of chemical recipes with the potential to give rise to life. >> >>Self-assembly, told you so! > >A bunch of bottles filled with chemicals don't generate life any more >than a box full of electronic parts creates a computer. The issue >isn't parts, it's design. > >DNA won't self-assemble from a jar full of colored water with stuff >dissolved. The math has been done on that.Don't know what inhibits your understanding, religion? Atoms and molecules self-assemble, then molecules form all sort of stuff, things mix and interact, what goes goes. Maybe it is that 'ego' thing : 'We are at the center of it all' that makes people deny they are just a [chemical if you will] process, like earth at the center of everything and humming beans as the top of creation. Your 'tronix work is exactly the same, experiment, use things out of spec, combine and copy, grab cheap modules that were put together elsewehere etc sell to companies that do the same like making fussion... LOL -Zorry My navel Lenkguage iznod inglesh
Reply by ●September 22, 20232023-09-22
On Fri, 22 Sep 2023 04:50:41 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> wrote:>On a sunny day (Thu, 21 Sep 2023 07:34:56 -0700) it happened John Larkin ><jl@997arbor.com> wrote in <0okogitsqq469s48m72g8h36unr2hh1p25@4ax.com>: > >>On Thu, 21 Sep 2023 04:33:40 GMT, Jan Panteltje <alien@comet.invalid> >>wrote: >> >>>New recipes for origin of life may point way to distant, inhabited planets >>> https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2023/09/230919155043.htm >>>Summary: >>> Life on a faraway planet -- if it's out there -- might not look anything like life on Earth. But there are only so many >>> chemical ingredients in the universe's pantry, and only so many ways to mix them. Scientists have now exploited those limitations >>> to write a cookbook of hundreds of chemical recipes with the potential to give rise to life. >>> >>>Self-assembly, told you so! >> >>A bunch of bottles filled with chemicals don't generate life any more >>than a box full of electronic parts creates a computer. The issue >>isn't parts, it's design. >> >>DNA won't self-assemble from a jar full of colored water with stuff >>dissolved. The math has been done on that. > >Don't know what inhibits your understanding, religion?Do you claim to understand how DNA self-assembled on Earth? Nobody else does. And don't be a jerk. Nobody likes jerks.>Atoms and molecules self-assemble, then molecules form all sort of stuff, things mix and interact, what goes goes. >Maybe it is that 'ego' thing : 'We are at the center of it all' that makes people deny they are just a [chemical if you will] process, >like earth at the center of everything and humming beans as the top of creation. > >Your 'tronix work is exactly the same, experiment, use things out of spec, combine and copy, grab cheap modules that were put together elsewehere etc >sell to companies that do the same like making fussion...My electronic products didn't self-assemble. I design by thinking, not fiddling.>LOLJerk.
Reply by ●September 22, 20232023-09-22
On Friday, September 22, 2023 at 9:01:37 PM UTC+10, John Larkin wrote:> On Fri, 22 Sep 2023 04:50:41 GMT, Jan Panteltje <al...@comet.invalid> > wrote: > > >On a sunny day (Thu, 21 Sep 2023 07:34:56 -0700) it happened John Larkin > ><j...@997arbor.com> wrote in <0okogitsqq469s48m...@4ax.com>: > > > >>On Thu, 21 Sep 2023 04:33:40 GMT, Jan Panteltje <al...@comet.invalid> > >>wrote: > >> > >>>New recipes for origin of life may point way to distant, inhabited planets > >>> https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2023/09/230919155043.htm > >>>Summary: > >>> Life on a faraway planet -- if it's out there -- might not look anything like life on Earth. But there are only so many > >>> chemical ingredients in the universe's pantry, and only so many ways to mix them. Scientists have now exploited those limitations > >>> to write a cookbook of hundreds of chemical recipes with the potential to give rise to life. > >>> > >>>Self-assembly, told you so! > >> > >>A bunch of bottles filled with chemicals don't generate life any more > >>than a box full of electronic parts creates a computer. The issue > >>isn't parts, it's design. > >> > >>DNA won't self-assemble from a jar full of colored water with stuff > >>dissolved. The math has been done on that. > > > >Don't know what inhibits your understanding, religion? > > Do you claim to understand how DNA self-assembled on Earth?It was more likely RNA strings that self-assembled. DNA seems to have been co-opted to provide more a stable genome template early in the process.>Nobody else does.The people who know enough to think usefully about that kind of question don't ask that particular one,> And don't be a jerk. Nobody likes jerks.You should know.> >Atoms and molecules self-assemble, then molecules form all sort of stuff, things mix and interact, what goes goes. > >Maybe it is that 'ego' thing : 'We are at the center of it all' that makes people deny they are just a [chemical if you will] process, > >like earth at the center of everything and human beings as the top of creation. > > > >Your 'tronix work is exactly the same, experiment, use things out of spec, combine and copy, grab cheap modules that were put together elsewehere etc sell to companies that do the same like making fusion... > > My electronic products didn't self-assemble. I design by thinking, not fiddling.Not a plausible claim. If you did, you'd be able to talk about the thought processes involved, which you don't. -- Bill Sloman, Sydney
Reply by ●September 22, 20232023-09-22
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