No, it was NOT caused by climate change, Hurricane Dora, or drought, but by a very strong mountain wave, which was predictable and could have been forewarned with cheap meteorological stations: https://cliffmass.blogspot.com/2023/08/the-real-cause-of-maui-wildfire-disaster.html "The Maui event was the result of a high amplitude mountain wave and strong, dry downslope flow on the western slopes of the mountains of West Maui. The mountain wave was the result of strong approaching flow and a stable layer near the crest level of the Maui Mountains. Strong dry winds support fire and result in rapid movement of the flame front, as well as moving embers ahead. The winds could well have started the fire by damaging infrastructure. As noted in my earlier blog, a huge reserve of dry, flammable grasses was in place. This event was not the result of climate change, Hurricane Dora, or an extended drought. It resulted from an unusually intense mountain wave/downslope windstorm produced by a fairly rare convergence of conditions."
The REAL cause of the disastrous Maui fires
Started by ●September 20, 2023
Reply by ●September 20, 20232023-09-20
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Reply by ●September 20, 20232023-09-20
On Wednesday, September 20, 2023 at 3:21:43 PM UTC-4, Flyguy wrote:> No, it was NOT caused by climate change, Hurricane Dora, or drought, but by a very strong mountain wave, which was predictable and could have been forewarned with cheap meteorological stations: > https://cliffmass.blogspot.com/2023/08/the-real-cause-of-maui-wildfire-disaster.html > > "The Maui event was the result of a high amplitude mountain wave and strong, dry downslope flow on the western slopes of the mountains of West Maui. The mountain wave was the result of strong approaching flow and a stable layer near the crest level of the Maui Mountains. > > Strong dry winds support fire and result in rapid movement of the flame front, as well as moving embers ahead. The winds could well have started the fire by damaging infrastructure. As noted in my earlier blog, a huge reserve of dry, flammable grasses was in place. > > This event was not the result of climate change, Hurricane Dora, or an extended drought. It resulted from an unusually intense mountain wave/downslope windstorm produced by a fairly rare convergence of conditions."Climate change is a 'rare convergence of conditions.' Root cause is the aftermath of industrial farming that took place there. How 19th-century pineapple plantations turned Maui into a tinderbox https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/aug/27/maui-wildfire-water-plantations-ecology
Reply by ●September 20, 20232023-09-20
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Reply by ●September 21, 20232023-09-21
On Wednesday, September 20, 2023 at 12:35:11 PM UTC-7, a a wrote:> Off-topic troll... > > -- > Flyguy <soar2...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > X-Received: by 2002:a05:6214:4001:b0:658:9f16:6056 with SMTP id kd1-20020a056214400100b006589f166056mr14467qvb.3.1695237696910; > > Wed, 20 Sep 2023 12:21:36 -0700 (PDT) > > X-Received: by 2002:a05:6808:1412:b0:3a8:82dd:c749 with SMTP id > > w18-20020a056808141200b003a882ddc749mr1658866oiv.0.1695237696500; Wed, 20 Sep > > 2023 12:21:36 -0700 (PDT) > > Path: not-for-mail > > Newsgroups: sci.electronics.design > > Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2023 12:21:36 -0700 (PDT) > > Injection-Info: google-groups.googlegroups.com; posting-host=2600:6c54:5300:6aee:153f:6a1b:ce17:733e; > > posting-account=igyo_woAAAAxdxQHjAB2cSS7_KQghTOv > > NNTP-Posting-Host: 2600:6c54:5300:6aee:153f:6a1b:ce17:733e > > User-Agent: G2/1.0 > > MIME-Version: 1.0 > > Message-ID: <66c92521-5cd3-42aa...@googlegroups.com> > > Subject: The REAL cause of the disastrous Maui fires > > From: Flyguy <soar2...@yahoo.com> > > Injection-Date: Wed, 20 Sep 2023 19:21:36 +0000 > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > X-Received-Bytes: 2268YOU are the "off topic troll", fool
Reply by ●September 21, 20232023-09-21
On Thursday, September 21, 2023 at 2:22:21 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:> On Wednesday, September 20, 2023 at 12:35:11 PM UTC-7, a a wrote: > > Off-topic troll... > > -- > > Flyguy <soar2...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > YOU are the "off topic troll", foolThere's not a lot of difference between a a and Sewage Sweeper when it comes to foolish off-topic posting. We'd be much happier if they both shut up. We wouldn't be any better informed. Both of them are too obviously insane to be ever taken seriously. -- Bill Sloman, Sydney
Reply by ●September 21, 20232023-09-21
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Reply by ●September 21, 20232023-09-21
On Wed, 20 Sep 2023 12:21:36 -0700 (PDT), Flyguy <soar2morrow@yahoo.com> wrote:>No, it was NOT caused by climate change, Hurricane Dora, or drought, but by a very strong mountain wave, which was predictable and could have been forewarned with cheap meteorological stations: >https://cliffmass.blogspot.com/2023/08/the-real-cause-of-maui-wildfire-disaster.html > >"The Maui event was the result of a high amplitude mountain wave and strong, dry downslope flow on the western slopes of the mountains of West Maui. The mountain wave was the result of strong approaching flow and a stable layer near the crest level of the Maui Mountains. > >Strong dry winds support fire and result in rapid movement of the flame front, as well as moving embers ahead. The winds could well have started the fire by damaging infrastructure. As noted in my earlier blog, a huge reserve of dry, flammable grasses was in place. > >This event was not the result of climate change, Hurricane Dora, or an extended drought. It resulted from an unusually intense mountain wave/downslope windstorm produced by a fairly rare convergence of conditions."Lahaina and Paradise burned bacause they were tinderboxes. Any kid playing with matches could have burned either to rubble. A dinky fire department might have stopped one fire, but embers, or a wall of fire, from a badly managed field or forest start too many fires to put out. Flammable cities will eventually burn. As forests eventully burn in most places.
Reply by ●September 21, 20232023-09-21
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