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Wind turbines used to absorb a power surplus?

Started by Commander Kinsey March 18, 2023
An electrician (who I don't believe) told me if there's too much power on the grid, they use wind turbines as fans to absorb extra power.  Is this really true?  Aren't there plenty of power stations they can just turn down a bit?  Take your foot off the gas so to speak?

I was also disturbed to hear from him it costs �700 to install smart meters into each home.  And in the UK that comes from green tax.  Shouldn't that tax be being spent on making more green energy, building new wind farms?
On 18/03/2023 09:39, Commander Kinsey wrote:

> I was also disturbed to hear from him it costs £700 to install smart > meters into each home.
Possibly a bit more for both gas and electricity but around the right ball park figure. It's always been the case that they had to replace non-smart meters every so often - at one time I think the target was every 10 years. I had a friend who worked for BG and one of his jobs was to organise routine meter replacements (long before smart meters). When it became my turn to have my gas meter replaced I somehow managed to get an appointment that suited me :) And in the UK that comes from green tax.
> Shouldn't that tax be being spent on making more green energy, building > new wind farms?
Shouldn't that tax be scrapped to make our bills cheaper. It used to be spent on giving us all free CFL light bulbs. -- mailto : news {at} admac {dot} myzen {dot} co {dot} uk
On Sat, 18 Mar 2023 09:39:03 -0000, Birdbrain Macaw (aka "Commander Kinsey",
"James Wilkinson", "Steven Wanker","Bruce Farquar", "Fred Johnson, etc.),
the pathological resident idiot and attention whore of all the uk ngs,
blathered again:

<FLUSH the subnormal sociopathic trolling attention whore's latest
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trolling:
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Starts many threads most of which die quick as on the UK groups anyone
with sense Kill filed him ages ago which is why he now cross posts to
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This thread was unusual in that it derived and continued without him
to a large extent and his silly questioning is an attempt to get
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On Sat, 18 Mar 2023 10:49:57 +0000, anal_m, the notorious troll-feeding
senile retard, blathered again:


> Possibly a bit more for both gas and electricity but around the right > ball park figure.
And the first troll-feeding senile asshole, anal_m himself, appeared to feed the abnormal trolling swine again! <BG> -- Birdbrain (now "Commander Kinsey" LOL) baiting the senile assholes in these groups: "Having read the utter bullshit about dying if you fall in a freezing lake for 15 minutes, I've tried it on many occasions. It takes 30 minutes to even get chattering teeth, an hour to shiver nicely, and 2 hours to shiver hard." MID: <op.yvpolqmzjs98qf@red.lan>
On 18/03/2023 10:49, alan_m wrote:
> On 18/03/2023 09:39, Commander Kinsey wrote: > >> I was also disturbed to hear from him it costs &pound;700 to install smart >> meters into each home. > > Possibly a bit more for both gas and electricity but around the right > ball park figure. > > It's always been the case that they had to replace non-smart meters > every so often - at one time I think the target was every 10 years. I > had a friend who worked for BG and one of his jobs was to organise > routine meter replacements (long before smart meters). When it became my > turn to have my gas meter replaced I somehow managed to get an > appointment that suited me :) > > &nbsp;And in the UK that comes from green tax. >> Shouldn't that tax be being spent on making more green energy, >> building new wind farms? > > Shouldn't that tax be scrapped to make our bills cheaper. > It used to be spent on giving us all free CFL light bulbs. >
Of course it should be, along with all windmills, solar panels and any feed in tarriffs. Your confusion arises from the fact they you think they are working for you. Government is not your friend, or your servant, It's your enemy, and wants to be your master. Because if it isn't it fears you might get rid of it. -- "When one man dies it's a tragedy. When thousands die it's statistics." Josef Stalin
On 18-Mar-23 8:39 pm, Commander Kinsey wrote:
> An electrician (who I don't believe) told me if there's too much power > on the grid, they use wind turbines as fans to absorb extra power.&nbsp; Is > this really true?&nbsp; Aren't there plenty of power stations they can just > turn down a bit?&nbsp; Take your foot off the gas so to speak? > > I was also disturbed to hear from him it costs &pound;700 to install smart > meters into each home.&nbsp; And in the UK that comes from green tax. > Shouldn't that tax be being spent on making more green energy, building > new wind farms?
Coal fired power stations cannot change their output rapidly, and can be willing to pay for the right to generate in preference to reducing output. So the windfarm notion is not entirely implausible. However, wind turbines use electronics to match the turbine output to the grid frequency, and it seems unlikely that it's designed to operate in reverse for the relatively rare occasions that that would be used. On balance, then, I doubt that using wind turbines as fans is real. Sylvia.
On 3/18/2023 5:39 AM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
> An electrician (who I don't believe) told me if there's too much power > on the grid, they use wind turbines as fans to absorb extra power.&nbsp; Is > this really true?&nbsp; Aren't there plenty of power stations they can just > turn down a bit?&nbsp; Take your foot off the gas so to speak? > > I was also disturbed to hear from him it costs &pound;700 to install smart > meters into each home.&nbsp; And in the UK that comes from green tax. > Shouldn't that tax be being spent on making more green energy, building > new wind farms?
Does not make any sense. I think it is done with hydroelectric where water is pumped back up at night when usage is down but what do you do, pump back wind?
On Sat, 18 Mar 2023 07:23:09 -0400
Frank <"frank "@frank.net> wrote:

> On 3/18/2023 5:39 AM, Commander Kinsey wrote: > > An electrician (who I don't believe) told me if there's too much > > power on the grid, they use wind turbines as fans to absorb extra > > power.&nbsp; Is this really true?&nbsp; Aren't there plenty of power stations > > they can just turn down a bit?&nbsp; Take your foot off the gas so to > > speak? > > > > I was also disturbed to hear from him it costs &pound;700 to install > > smart meters into each home.&nbsp; And in the UK that comes from green > > tax. Shouldn't that tax be being spent on making more green energy, > > building new wind farms? > > Does not make any sense. I think it is done with hydroelectric where > water is pumped back up at night when usage is down but what do you > do, pump back wind?
See: https://www.energy-storage.news/delivering-pumped-hydro-storage-in-the-uk-after-a-three-decade-interlude/ -- Davey.
On 18/03/2023 11:17, Sylvia Else wrote:
> On 18-Mar-23 8:39 pm, Commander Kinsey wrote: >> An electrician (who I don't believe) told me if there's too much power >> on the grid, they use wind turbines as fans to absorb extra power.&nbsp; Is >> this really true?&nbsp; Aren't there plenty of power stations they can just >> turn down a bit?&nbsp; Take your foot off the gas so to speak? >> >> I was also disturbed to hear from him it costs &pound;700 to install smart >> meters into each home.&nbsp; And in the UK that comes from green tax. >> Shouldn't that tax be being spent on making more green energy, >> building new wind farms? > > Coal fired power stations cannot change their output rapidly, and can be > willing to pay for the right to generate in preference to reducing output. > > So the windfarm notion is not entirely implausible. However, wind > turbines use electronics to match the turbine output to the grid > frequency, and it seems unlikely that it's designed to operate in > reverse for the relatively rare occasions that that would be used. > > On balance, then, I doubt that using wind turbines as fans is real.
That idea has probably come from the use of "barring gear". When not in use, some wind turbines are electrically driven and turn slowly, to prevent semi-permanent sagging of blades or shafts when left stationary in one position.
On Sat, 18 Mar 2023 09:39:03 -0000, "Commander Kinsey"
<CK1@nospam.com> wrote:

>An electrician (who I don't believe) told me if there's too much power on the grid, they use wind turbines as fans to absorb extra power. Is this really true? Aren't there plenty of power stations they can just turn down a bit? Take your foot off the gas so to speak?
If there is a risk of overproduction due to wind turbines, simply stop some wind turbines. Wind turbines must have brakes so that they can be stopped during a strong storm (about 25 m/s) to avoid damaging the turbine. Of course greenies will complain about stopping renewable production, but who cares :-). In practice, district heating companies are installing electrically heated boilers to heat district heating water when there is an overproduction of wind energy and hence the selectivity price drops towards zero, thus saving on coal/oil/gas/biofuel during overproduction. In areas with mainly cooling loads, wind and solar overproduction can be used to cool water in advance for air conditioning. The problem with renewable overproduction is not a big issue, but underproduction lasting several days is. IMHO oil/gas should be used to address those periods when renewables are not available, but greenies object also to this.