So, why is china stuck on these draconian "zero covid" policies? Of course, in as populous a nation, the potential *cost* to their "system" is magnified. But, are their vaccines (and other remedies) so significantly ineffective that they have to rely on avoidance disproportionately so? It seems an inordinately high price to pay (the damages their economy is seeing seem to dwarf any of the measures put in place, here, at the peak of the epidemic) Or, is it all a matter of saving face: "I pushed this policy and this policy is going to be THE solution, damn it!" In The West, it seems like life is largely returning to normal -- even though a threat persists. Are we just more willing to face the consequences than china? Or, are our potential consequences considerably more benign than theirs?
OT: China covid
Started by ●November 26, 2022
Reply by ●November 26, 20222022-11-26
On Saturday, 26 November 2022 at 18:27:19 UTC+1, Don Y wrote:> So, why is china stuck on these draconian "zero covid" policies? > Of course, in as populous a nation, the potential *cost* to > their "system" is magnified. > > But, are their vaccines (and other remedies) so significantly ineffective > that they have to rely on avoidance disproportionately so? It seems > an inordinately high price to pay (the damages their economy is seeing > seem to dwarf any of the measures put in place, here, at the peak of the > epidemic) > > Or, is it all a matter of saving face: "I pushed this policy and this > policy is going to be THE solution, damn it!" > > In The West, it seems like life is largely returning to normal -- even > though a threat persists. Are we just more willing to face the > consequences than china? Or, are our potential consequences > considerably more benign than theirs?don't be silly just read # Country, Other Total Cases New Cases Total Deaths New Deaths Population World 645,574,456 +403,910 6,635,225 +938 1 USA 100,456,053 +9,513 1,104,743 +58 334,805,269 2 India 44,672,304 +498 530,608 +4 1,406,631,776 3 France 37,591,293 +48,629 158,639 +68 65,584,518 4 Germany 36,373,164 +24,687 157,495 +107 83,883,596 5 Brazil 35,203,980 +56,889 689,500 +104 215,353,593 6 S. Korea 26,837,840 +53,698 30,278 +55 51,329,899 7 Italy 24,260,660 181,098 60,262,770 8 Japan 24,246,754 +117,840 48,872 +100 125,584,838 9 UK 24,000,101 196,821 68,497,907 10 Russia 21,562,758 +5,992 391,736 +56 145,805,947 11 Turkey 17,005,537 101,400 85,561,976 12 Spain 13,595,504 +3,111 115,901 +38 46,719,142 13 Vietnam 11,513,747 +574 43,170 98,953,541 14 Australia 10,636,796 +12,017 16,090 +18 26,068,792 15 Argentina 9,723,924 130,017 46,010,234 16 Netherlands 8,539,297 +814 22,907 +5 17,211,447 17 Taiwan 8,241,154 +14,171 14,181 +56 23,888,595 18 Iran 7,559,492 +25 144,633 86,022,837 19 Mexico 7,125,176 330,495 131,562,772 20 Indonesia 6,640,624 +5,976 159,600 +35 279,134,505 21 Poland 6,350,816 +389 118,298 +2 37,739,785 22 Colombia 6,314,769 141,895 51,512,762 23 Portugal 5,542,265 25,450 10,140,570 24 Austria 5,539,994 +4,512 21,187 +6 9,066,710 25 Greece 5,360,506 34,178 10,316,637 26 Ukraine 5,336,293 110,505 43,192,122 27 Malaysia 4,981,374 +3,024 36,644 +8 33,181,072 28 Chile 4,900,851 +5,559 62,332 +44 19,250,195 29 DPRK 4,772,813 74 25,990,679 30 Israel 4,713,855 +1,991 11,828 +5 9,326,000 31 Thailand 4,702,330 33,106 70,078,203 32 Belgium 4,633,112 33,042 11,668,278 33 Canada 4,392,747 47,468 38,388,419 34 Switzerland 4,298,016 14,302 8,773,637 35 Peru 4,217,068 +7,163 217,339 +25 33,684,208 36 Czechia 4,170,567 +487 41,795 +7 10,736,784 37 South Africa 4,040,289 +431 102,428 +33 60,756,135 38 Philippines 4,030,452 +1,233 64,548 +24 112,508,994 39 Romania 3,294,447 67,253 19,031,335 40 Denmark 3,145,455 +357 7,513 +5 5,834,950 41 Sweden 2,626,686 21,002 10,218,971 42 Iraq 2,463,021 25,363 42,164,965 43 Serbia 2,420,801 +612 17,357 +4 8,653,016 44 Hungary 2,162,093 48,245 9,606,259 45 Singapore 2,161,673 +1,349 1,702 +1 5,943,546 46 Hong Kong 2,077,188 +8,878 10,663 +16 7,604,299 47 Bangladesh 2,036,488 +19 29,431 167,885,689 48 New Zealand 1,918,070 3,239 4,898,203 49 Slovakia 1,855,460 +111 20,725 +3 5,460,193 50 Georgia 1,805,698 16,881 3,968,738 51 Jordan 1,746,997 14,122 10,300,869 52 Ireland 1,677,386 8,102 5,020,199 53 Pakistan 1,575,039 +30 30,630 229,488,994 54 Norway 1,468,341 +206 4,325 5,511,370 55 Kazakhstan 1,396,204 +139 13,693 19,205,043 56 Finland 1,394,254 7,265 5,554,960 57 Bulgaria 1,286,488 +183 38,027 +5 6,844,597 58 Lithuania 1,274,510 +311 9,429 +2 2,661,708 59 Morocco 1,268,136 +170 16,284 +1 37,772,756 60 Slovenia 1,252,901 +1,021 6,928 +11 2,078,034 61 Croatia 1,252,608 +241 17,288 +6 4,059,286 62 Lebanon 1,220,329 +57 10,733 +1 6,684,849 63 Guatemala 1,152,798 +1,216 19,944 +1 18,584,039 64 Tunisia 1,146,991 29,268 12,046,656 65 Costa Rica 1,143,597 9,031 5,182,354 66 Cuba 1,111,363 +3 8,530 11,305,652 67 Bolivia 1,110,505 +92 22,244 11,992,656 68 UAE 1,043,603 +213 2,348 10,081,785 69 Ecuador 1,009,958 35,940 18,113,361 70 Nepal 1,000,875 +10 12,019 30,225,582 71 Panama 995,726 8,519 4,446,964 72 Belarus 994,037 7,118 9,432,800 73 Uruguay 992,887 7,530 3,496,016 74 Mongolia 991,824 +363 2,179 3,378,078 75 Latvia 961,627 6,086 1,848,837 76 Saudi Arabia 825,372 +40 9,456 +2 35,844,909 77 Azerbaijan 824,168 +41 9,975 10,300,205 78 Paraguay 718,164 +93 19,621 +10 7,305,843 79 Bahrain 695,676 +92 1,535 1,783,983 80 Sri Lanka 671,626 +16 16,799 +2 21,575,842 81 Kuwait 662,359 2,569 4,380,326 82 Dominican Republic 649,150 +694 4,384 11,056,370 83 Myanmar 633,137 +19 19,488 55,227,143 84 Palestine 620,816 5,404 5,345,541 85 Cyprus 614,237 +4,214 1,226 +8 1,223,387 86 Estonia 608,759 2,781 1,321,910 87 Moldova 594,754 11,913 4,013,171 88 Venezuela 547,204 +92 5,827 29,266,991 89 Egypt 515,645 24,613 106,156,692 90 Libya 507,078 6,437 7,040,745 91 Ethiopia 494,450 +22 7,572 120,812,698 92 Qatar 477,206 +230 685 +1 2,979,915 93 Réunion 476,088 902 908,061 94 Honduras 457,676 11,043 10,221,247 95 Armenia 445,631 8,709 2,971,966 96 Bosnia and Herzegovina 400,466 +18 16,200 +1 3,249,317 97 Oman 399,027 4,260 5,323,993 98 North Macedonia 344,710 9,568 2,081,304 99 Kenya 341,361 +42 5,684 56,215,221 100 Zambia 333,721 4,019 19,470,234 101 Albania 333,316 +11 3,593 2,866,374 102 Botswana 326,344 2,790 2,441,162 103 China 300,619 +3,103 5,232 1,448,471,400 104 Luxembourg 297,757 1,133 642,371 105 Montenegro 283,607 +21 2,789 627,950 106 Algeria 271,057 +7 6,881 45,350,148 107 Nigeria 266,283 3,155 216,746,934 108 Zimbabwe 257,893 5,606 15,331,428 109 Uzbekistan 245,858 +95 1,637 34,382,084 110 Brunei 241,044 225 445,431 111 Mozambique 230,590 2,224 33,089,461 112 Martinique 224,468 1,071 374,087 113 Laos 216,568 +14 758 7,481,023 114 Iceland 207,171 219 345,393 115 Kyrgyzstan 206,511 2,991 6,728,271 116 Afghanistan 205,542 +14 7,833 40,754,388 117 El Salvador 201,785 4,230 6,550,389 118 Guadeloupe 197,105 993 399,794 119 Maldives 185,584 311 540,985 120 Trinidad and Tobago 185,237 4,266 1,406,585 121 Ghana 171,009 1,461 32,395,450 122 Namibia 169,946 4,080 2,633,874 123 Uganda 169,663 3,630 48,432,863 124 Jamaica 151,931 3,320 2,985,094 125 Cambodia 138,055 +9 3,056 17,168,639 126 Rwanda 132,643 1,467 13,600,464 127 Cameroon 123,993 1,965 27,911,548 128 Malta 115,754 +4 809 444,033 129 Angola 104,491 1,923 35,027,343 130 Barbados 103,955 564 288,023 131 Channel Islands 95,592 207 176,463 132 French Guiana 95,451 411 314,169 133 DRC 93,837 1,452 95,240,792 134 Senegal 88,859 1,968 17,653,671 135 Malawi 88,073 2,685 20,180,839 136 Ivory Coast 87,883 830 27,742,298 137 Suriname 81,228 1,392 596,831 138 French Polynesia 76,827 649 284,164 139 New Caledonia 75,122 314 290,915 140 Eswatini 73,770 1,422 1,184,817 141 Guyana 71,560 1,284 794,045 142 Belize 69,012 688 412,190 143 Fiji 68,375 878 909,466 144 Madagascar 67,054 1,411 29,178,077 145 Sudan 63,637 4,990 45,992,020 146 Mauritania 63,419 997 4,901,981 147 Cabo Verde 62,927 +35 412 567,678 148 Bhutan 62,488 21 787,941 149 Syria 57,393 +1 3,163 19,364,809 150 Burundi 50,639 38 12,624,840 151 Seychelles 49,380 171 99,426 152 Gabon 48,972 306 2,331,533 153 Andorra 46,824 156 77,463 154 Papua New Guinea 45,819 668 9,292,169 155 Curaçao 45,559 295 165,529 156 Aruba 43,568 236 107,609 157 Mauritius 41,042 +120 1,032 1,274,727 158 Mayotte 40,612 187 286,259 159 Tanzania 40,471 845 63,298,550 160 Togo 39,326 290 8,680,837 161 Guinea 38,153 464 13,865,691 162 Isle of Man 38,008 116 85,732 163 Bahamas 37,471 833 400,516 164 Faeroe Islands 34,658 28 49,233 165 Lesotho 34,490 706 2,175,699 166 Haiti 33,846 860 11,680,283 167 Mali 32,757 742 21,473,764 168 Cayman Islands 31,194 36 67,277 169 Saint Lucia 29,550 404 185,113 170 Benin 27,922 163 12,784,726 171 Somalia 27,254 1,361 16,841,795 172 Congo 25,375 386 5,797,805 173 Solomon Islands 24,575 153 721,159 174 Timor-Leste 23,337 +1 138 1,369,429 175 Micronesia 22,203 55 117,489 176 San Marino 22,091 119 34,085 177 Burkina Faso 21,631 387 22,102,838 178 Liechtenstein 20,874 +15 87 38,387 179 Gibraltar 20,184 110 33,704 180 Grenada 19,613 237 113,475 181 Nicaragua 18,491 225 6,779,100 182 Bermuda 18,463 151 61,939 183 South Sudan 18,348 138 11,618,511 184 Tajikistan 17,786 125 9,957,464 185 Equatorial Guinea 17,182 183 1,496,662 186 Tonga 16,182 12 107,749 187 Samoa 15,967 29 202,239 188 Dominica 15,760 74 72,344 189 Djibouti 15,690 189 1,016,097 190 Marshall Islands 15,541 +40 17 60,057 191 CAR 15,311 113 5,016,678 192 Monaco 15,285 63 39,783 193 Gambia 12,586 372 2,558,482 194 Saint Martin 12,034 63 39,730 195 Greenland 11,971 21 56,973 196 Vanuatu 11,952 14 321,832 197 Yemen 11,945 2,159 31,154,867 198 Caribbean Netherlands 11,426 36 26,647 199 Sint Maarten 10,931 89 43,966 200 Eritrea 10,189 103 3,662,244 201 Niger 9,931 312 26,083,660 202 Antigua and Barbuda 9,106 146 99,509 203 Comoros 8,941 161 907,419 204 Guinea-Bissau 8,848 176 2,063,367 205 Liberia 8,014 294 5,305,117 206 Sierra Leone 7,758 126 8,306,436 207 Chad 7,641 194 17,413,580 208 British Virgin Islands 7,305 64 30,596 209 St. Vincent Grenadines 7,112 115 111,551 210 Saint Kitts and Nevis 6,552 46 53,871 211 Turks and Caicos 6,446 36 39,741 212 Cook Islands 6,389 1 17,571 213 Sao Tome and Principe 6,278 77 227,679 214 Palau 5,684 7 18,233 215 St. Barth 5,336 6 9,945 216 Nauru 4,621 1 10,903 217 Anguilla 3,904 12 15,230 218 Kiribati 3,430 13 123,419 219 Saint Pierre Miquelon 3,248 1 5,759 220 Tuvalu 2,805 12,066 221 Falkland Islands 1,930 3,539 222 Saint Helena 1,806 6,115 223 Montserrat 1,403 8 4,965 224 Macao 796 6 667,490 225 Wallis and Futuna 761 7 10,982 226 Diamond Princess 712 13 227 Niue 107 +3 1,622 228 Vatican City 29 799 229 Western Sahara 10 1 626,161 230 MS Zaandam 9 2 Total: 645,574,456 +403,910 6,635,225 +938
Reply by ●November 26, 20222022-11-26
On Saturday, November 26, 2022 at 12:27:19 PM UTC-5, Don Y wrote:> So, why is china stuck on these draconian "zero covid" policies? > Of course, in as populous a nation, the potential *cost* to > their "system" is magnified. > > But, are their vaccines (and other remedies) so significantly ineffective > that they have to rely on avoidance disproportionately so? It seems > an inordinately high price to pay (the damages their economy is seeing > seem to dwarf any of the measures put in place, here, at the peak of the > epidemic) > > Or, is it all a matter of saving face: "I pushed this policy and this > policy is going to be THE solution, damn it!" > > In The West, it seems like life is largely returning to normal -- even > though a threat persists. Are we just more willing to face the > consequences than china? Or, are our potential consequences > considerably more benign than theirs?There's no such thing as pushback in China, unless you want a trip to the execution ditch. Xi Jinping has decided that lockdowns are the answer, so that makes everything final.
Reply by ●November 26, 20222022-11-26
On 11/26/2022 1:03 PM, Fred Bloggs wrote:> On Saturday, November 26, 2022 at 12:27:19 PM UTC-5, Don Y wrote: >> So, why is china stuck on these draconian "zero covid" policies? Of >> course, in as populous a nation, the potential *cost* to their "system" is >> magnified. >> >> But, are their vaccines (and other remedies) so significantly ineffective >> that they have to rely on avoidance disproportionately so? It seems an >> inordinately high price to pay (the damages their economy is seeing seem >> to dwarf any of the measures put in place, here, at the peak of the >> epidemic) >> >> Or, is it all a matter of saving face: "I pushed this policy and this >> policy is going to be THE solution, damn it!" >> >> In The West, it seems like life is largely returning to normal -- even >> though a threat persists. Are we just more willing to face the >> consequences than china? Or, are our potential consequences considerably >> more benign than theirs? > > There's no such thing as pushback in China, unless you want a trip to the > execution ditch. Xi Jinping has decided that lockdowns are the answer, so > that makes everything final.But he must see there is a (huge) cost to that approach. Even if no one can OPENLY criticize his policies, he has to know that they will *look* stupid to anyone who cares... including foreign investors. If foreign companies pull out of China (as a manufacturing center), is that going to be A Good Thing for him? And, the folks who support him? I suspect he is committed to this approach because there are no other effective alternatives available. My understanding is that vaccination rates (regardless of how effective the vaccine is) are low, there. Why hasn't he mandated universal vaccination? etc. (supply/distribution problems?)
Reply by ●November 26, 20222022-11-26
On Saturday, November 26, 2022 at 4:05:55 PM UTC-5, Don Y wrote:> On 11/26/2022 1:03 PM, Fred Bloggs wrote: > > On Saturday, November 26, 2022 at 12:27:19 PM UTC-5, Don Y wrote: > >> So, why is china stuck on these draconian "zero covid" policies? Of > >> course, in as populous a nation, the potential *cost* to their "system" is > >> magnified. > >> > >> But, are their vaccines (and other remedies) so significantly ineffective > >> that they have to rely on avoidance disproportionately so? It seems an > >> inordinately high price to pay (the damages their economy is seeing seem > >> to dwarf any of the measures put in place, here, at the peak of the > >> epidemic) > >> > >> Or, is it all a matter of saving face: "I pushed this policy and this > >> policy is going to be THE solution, damn it!" > >> > >> In The West, it seems like life is largely returning to normal -- even > >> though a threat persists. Are we just more willing to face the > >> consequences than china? Or, are our potential consequences considerably > >> more benign than theirs? > > > > There's no such thing as pushback in China, unless you want a trip to the > > execution ditch. Xi Jinping has decided that lockdowns are the answer, so > > that makes everything final. > But he must see there is a (huge) cost to that approach. > Even if no one can OPENLY criticize his policies, he has > to know that they will *look* stupid to anyone who cares... > including foreign investors. > > If foreign companies pull out of China (as a manufacturing > center), is that going to be A Good Thing for him? And, the > folks who support him? > > I suspect he is committed to this approach because there are > no other effective alternatives available. My understanding > is that vaccination rates (regardless of how effective the > vaccine is) are low, there. Why hasn't he mandated universal > vaccination? etc. (supply/distribution problems?)They have a high vaccination rate: https://www.statista.com/statistics/1279024/china-coronavirus-covid-19-vaccination-rate/ Dunno what they're thinking. Chinese know China better than we do, let them run the place.
Reply by ●November 26, 20222022-11-26
China Daily @ChinaDaily · Mar 1, 2020 China state-affiliated media #Bigdata analysis has been implemented in border control to prevent the influx of #COVID19 patients from overseas. #COVID19
Reply by ●November 26, 20222022-11-26
On Saturday, November 26, 2022 at 5:42:58 PM UTC-5, a a wrote:> China Daily > @ChinaDaily > · > Mar 1, 2020 > China state-affiliated media > #Bigdata analysis has been implemented in border control to prevent the influx of #COVID19 patients from overseas. #COVID19They won't allow you to board a flight bound for China without a certified negative test result from a China approved lab within 24 hours of boarding. Upon arrival you will be assigned to quarantine at government designated hotel at your expense for 10 days. The hotel may be a several hours bus ride away. Hotel accommodations are not bad at all. You will be required to submit to periodic testing while in quarantine. You must stay in your room, food is delivered by room service. Step out of line and the police will beat the shit out of you. They're not real concerned about your fantasies of privilege based on country of origin. https://china.usembassy-china.org.cn/covid-19-information/
Reply by ●November 26, 20222022-11-26
On Sunday, November 27, 2022 at 5:20:01 AM UTC+11, a a wrote:> On Saturday, 26 November 2022 at 18:27:19 UTC+1, Don Y wrote: > > So, why is china stuck on these draconian "zero covid" policies? > > Of course, in as populous a nation, the potential *cost* to > > their "system" is magnified. > > > > But, are their vaccines (and other remedies) so significantly ineffective > > that they have to rely on avoidance disproportionately so? It seems > > an inordinately high price to pay (the damages their economy is seeing > > seem to dwarf any of the measures put in place, here, at the peak of the > > epidemic) > > > > Or, is it all a matter of saving face: "I pushed this policy and this > > policy is going to be THE solution, damn it!" > > > > In The West, it seems like life is largely returning to normal -- even > > though a threat persists. Are we just more willing to face the > > consequences than china? Or, are our potential consequences > > considerably more benign than theirs? > don't be silly > > just readhttps://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ I've snipped his bandwidth-wasting cut and paste. The link is well known here, and stays updated. -- Bill Sloman, Sydney
Reply by ●November 26, 20222022-11-26
On Sat, 26 Nov 2022 14:20:47 -0800 (PST), Fred Bloggs <bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote:>On Saturday, November 26, 2022 at 4:05:55 PM UTC-5, Don Y wrote: >> On 11/26/2022 1:03 PM, Fred Bloggs wrote: >> > On Saturday, November 26, 2022 at 12:27:19 PM UTC-5, Don Y wrote: >> >> So, why is china stuck on these draconian "zero covid" policies? Of >> >> course, in as populous a nation, the potential *cost* to their "system" is >> >> magnified. >> >> >> >> But, are their vaccines (and other remedies) so significantly ineffective >> >> that they have to rely on avoidance disproportionately so? It seems an >> >> inordinately high price to pay (the damages their economy is seeing seem >> >> to dwarf any of the measures put in place, here, at the peak of the >> >> epidemic) >> >> >> >> Or, is it all a matter of saving face: "I pushed this policy and this >> >> policy is going to be THE solution, damn it!" >> >> >> >> In The West, it seems like life is largely returning to normal -- even >> >> though a threat persists. Are we just more willing to face the >> >> consequences than china? Or, are our potential consequences considerably >> >> more benign than theirs? >> > >> > There's no such thing as pushback in China, unless you want a trip to the >> > execution ditch. Xi Jinping has decided that lockdowns are the answer, so >> > that makes everything final. >> But he must see there is a (huge) cost to that approach. >> Even if no one can OPENLY criticize his policies, he has >> to know that they will *look* stupid to anyone who cares... >> including foreign investors. >> >> If foreign companies pull out of China (as a manufacturing >> center), is that going to be A Good Thing for him? And, the >> folks who support him? >> >> I suspect he is committed to this approach because there are >> no other effective alternatives available. My understanding >> is that vaccination rates (regardless of how effective the >> vaccine is) are low, there. Why hasn't he mandated universal >> vaccination? etc. (supply/distribution problems?) > >They have a high vaccination rate: >https://www.statista.com/statistics/1279024/china-coronavirus-covid-19-vaccination-rate/Just like Cuba has the best medical care and 99% literacy.
Reply by ●November 27, 20222022-11-27
On Sunday, November 27, 2022 at 1:36:45 PM UTC+11, John Larkin wrote:> On Sat, 26 Nov 2022 14:20:47 -0800 (PST), Fred Bloggs > <bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote: > > >On Saturday, November 26, 2022 at 4:05:55 PM UTC-5, Don Y wrote: > >> On 11/26/2022 1:03 PM, Fred Bloggs wrote: > >> > On Saturday, November 26, 2022 at 12:27:19 PM UTC-5, Don Y wrote: > >> >> So, why is china stuck on these draconian "zero covid" policies? Of > >> >> course, in as populous a nation, the potential *cost* to their "system" is > >> >> magnified. > >> >> > >> >> But, are their vaccines (and other remedies) so significantly ineffective > >> >> that they have to rely on avoidance disproportionately so? It seems an > >> >> inordinately high price to pay (the damages their economy is seeing seem > >> >> to dwarf any of the measures put in place, here, at the peak of the > >> >> epidemic) > >> >> > >> >> Or, is it all a matter of saving face: "I pushed this policy and this > >> >> policy is going to be THE solution, damn it!" > >> >> > >> >> In The West, it seems like life is largely returning to normal -- even > >> >> though a threat persists. Are we just more willing to face the > >> >> consequences than china? Or, are our potential consequences considerably > >> >> more benign than theirs? > >> > > >> > There's no such thing as pushback in China, unless you want a trip to the > >> > execution ditch. Xi Jinping has decided that lockdowns are the answer, so > >> > that makes everything final. > >> But he must see there is a (huge) cost to that approach. > >> Even if no one can OPENLY criticize his policies, he has > >> to know that they will *look* stupid to anyone who cares... > >> including foreign investors. > >> > >> If foreign companies pull out of China (as a manufacturing > >> center), is that going to be A Good Thing for him? And, the > >> folks who support him? > >> > >> I suspect he is committed to this approach because there are > >> no other effective alternatives available. My understanding > >> is that vaccination rates (regardless of how effective the > >> vaccine is) are low, there. Why hasn't he mandated universal > >> vaccination? etc. (supply/distribution problems?) > > > >They have a high vaccination rate: > >https://www.statista.com/statistics/1279024/china-coronavirus-covid-19-vaccination-rate/ > > Just like Cuba has the best medical care and 99% literacy.They do happen to be things that socialist governments can deliver. Kerala in India has the same sorts of advantages. Cheap-skate right-wingers prefer to think that they've got lying statisticians. because that is a cheaper solution (and the one that they would chose). -- Bill Sloman, Sydney
