https://www.dropbox.com/s/m8zc7g56jul39d0/NIF_Tour-Highland%20Tech%20group%20photo%20TC.jpg?raw=1 We got a tour of the NIF laser. That's the target chamber behind us. On that spot, a Star Trek episode was filmed. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Ignition_Facility After 20 years of operation, and roughly 8000 shots, they keep making progress, in the sense of learning stuff and getting increasing, over-unity energy gain. Like the plasma experiments, dynamic instability limits compression and fusion yield. -- Anybody can count to one. - Robert Widlar
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Reply by ●June 25, 20222022-06-25
On Fri, 24 Jun 2022 20:31:46 -0700, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:>https://www.dropbox.com/s/m8zc7g56jul39d0/NIF_Tour-Highland%20Tech%20group%20photo%20TC.jpg?raw=1 > >We got a tour of the NIF laser. That's the target chamber behind us. >On that spot, a Star Trek episode was filmed. > >https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Ignition_Facility > >After 20 years of operation, and roughly 8000 shots, they keep making >progress, in the sense of learning stuff and getting increasing, >over-unity energy gain. > >Like the plasma experiments, dynamic instability limits compression >and fusion yield.CooL !! Great pic ! Must have been a nice tour. Is that you in the green shirt on the right side of center ? Would love to see that place some time. Good movie background too of course. boB
Reply by ●June 25, 20222022-06-25
On Fri, 24 Jun 2022 20:59:28 -0700, boB <boB@K7IQ.com> wrote:>On Fri, 24 Jun 2022 20:31:46 -0700, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com >wrote: > >>https://www.dropbox.com/s/m8zc7g56jul39d0/NIF_Tour-Highland%20Tech%20group%20photo%20TC.jpg?raw=1 >> >>We got a tour of the NIF laser. That's the target chamber behind us. >>On that spot, a Star Trek episode was filmed. >> >>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Ignition_Facility >> >>After 20 years of operation, and roughly 8000 shots, they keep making >>progress, in the sense of learning stuff and getting increasing, >>over-unity energy gain. >> >>Like the plasma experiments, dynamic instability limits compression >>and fusion yield. > > >CooL !! Great pic ! Must have been a nice tour. > >Is that you in the green shirt on the right side of center ? > >Would love to see that place some time. Good movie background too of >course. > >boBI'm the little guy on the left, back row. It's about the world's biggest clean room, which is great for allergies. -- Anybody can count to one. - Robert Widlar
Reply by ●June 25, 20222022-06-25
jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:> https://www.dropbox.com/s/m8zc7g56jul39d0/NIF_Tour-Highland%20Tech%20group%20photo%20TC.jpg?raw=1 > > We got a tour of the NIF laser. That's the target chamber behind us. > On that spot, a Star Trek episode was filmed.Boldly going where no man has gone before!
Reply by ●June 25, 20222022-06-25
On 6/24/2022 11:31 PM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:> [...] getting increasing, over-unity energy gain. [...]Keeping in mind that those fusion researchers measure efficiency in terms of heat out of the device vs. heat into it. Without considering the energy used in the very inefficient supporting equipment. Overhaul efficiency so low as to be absurd. "Over unity" is newspeak.> Anybody can count to one. > > - Robert WidlarBTW - it's "Every idiot can count to one"
Reply by ●June 25, 20222022-06-25
On Saturday, June 25, 2022 at 3:20:13 PM UTC+2, bobenge...@gmail.com wrote:> On 6/24/2022 11:31 PM, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote: > > [...] getting increasing, over-unity energy gain. [...] > > Keeping in mind that those fusion researchers measure efficiency in > terms of heat out of the device vs. heat into it. Without considering > the energy used in the very inefficient supporting equipment. Overhaul > efficiency so low as to be absurd. "Over unity" is newspeak.It's a proof-of-principle machine, and mainly intended to let people work out how well nuclear bombs are going to work without having to go to the bother of testing an actual bomb. Something seriously intended for net energy generation would look very different. https://hb11.energy/ is actually aimed at that. Fusing hydrogen and boron doesn't release neutrons so it is a whole lot more practical. It needs much higher temperatures but Heinrich Hora has got a scheme that he thinks can be made to work - there's a very non-linear interaction involved. I haven't put any of my own money into it yet - the first stage got over-subscribed very quickly, and I hadn't looked at the web-site since they started raising more capital. -- Bill Sloman, Sydney
Reply by ●June 25, 20222022-06-25
On Sat, 25 Jun 2022 09:20:07 -0400, Bob Engelhardt <BobEngelhardt@comcast.net> wrote:>On 6/24/2022 11:31 PM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote: >> [...] getting increasing, over-unity energy gain. [...] > >Keeping in mind that those fusion researchers measure efficiency in >terms of heat out of the device vs. heat into it. Without considering >the energy used in the very inefficient supporting equipment. Overhaul >efficiency so low as to be absurd. "Over unity" is newspeak.One milestone was to get more fusion energy out than light energy in. It took about 20 years to understand how to do that. There are people who think that there is a real path to using lased induced fusion as a practical power source. It's a long shot but not impossible. NIF is used for a lot of other experiments, with very different targets, so one may as well fire some fusion shots. -- Anybody can count to one. - Robert Widlar
Reply by ●June 25, 20222022-06-25
On 6/25/2022 6:31, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:> https://www.dropbox.com/s/m8zc7g56jul39d0/NIF_Tour-Highland%20Tech%20group%20photo%20TC.jpg?raw=1 > > We got a tour of the NIF laser. That's the target chamber behind us. > On that spot, a Star Trek episode was filmed. > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Ignition_Facility > > After 20 years of operation, and roughly 8000 shots, they keep making > progress, in the sense of learning stuff and getting increasing, > over-unity energy gain. > > Like the plasma experiments, dynamic instability limits compression > and fusion yield. > > >Pretty cool. Why are you all wearing masks? Here they abandoned them, the pandemic has subsided (and it is summer). Or is it to protect the site you are at?
Reply by ●June 25, 20222022-06-25
On Sat, 25 Jun 2022 17:33:38 +0300, Dimiter_Popoff <dp@tgi-sci.com> wrote:>On 6/25/2022 6:31, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote: >> https://www.dropbox.com/s/m8zc7g56jul39d0/NIF_Tour-Highland%20Tech%20group%20photo%20TC.jpg?raw=1 >> >> We got a tour of the NIF laser. That's the target chamber behind us. >> On that spot, a Star Trek episode was filmed. >> >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Ignition_Facility >> >> After 20 years of operation, and roughly 8000 shots, they keep making >> progress, in the sense of learning stuff and getting increasing, >> over-unity energy gain. >> >> Like the plasma experiments, dynamic instability limits compression >> and fusion yield. >> >> >> > >Pretty cool. >Why are you all wearing masks? Here they abandoned them, the pandemic >has subsided (and it is summer). Or is it to protect the site you are >at?They are required inside NIF, don't know why. They didn't require us to wear booties or walk on sticky pads to de-dust our shoes, like a semiconductor fab would. Few people wear masks here in normal life. Maybe 5% are masked in public outdoors, maybe 20% at supermarkets, almost none in bars or restaurants. I think some people will wear masks forever.
Reply by ●June 25, 20222022-06-25
On 6/25/2022 18:33, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:> On Sat, 25 Jun 2022 17:33:38 +0300, Dimiter_Popoff <dp@tgi-sci.com> > wrote: > >> On 6/25/2022 6:31, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote: >>> https://www.dropbox.com/s/m8zc7g56jul39d0/NIF_Tour-Highland%20Tech%20group%20photo%20TC.jpg?raw=1 >>> >>> We got a tour of the NIF laser. That's the target chamber behind us. >>> On that spot, a Star Trek episode was filmed. >>> >>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Ignition_Facility >>> >>> After 20 years of operation, and roughly 8000 shots, they keep making >>> progress, in the sense of learning stuff and getting increasing, >>> over-unity energy gain. >>> >>> Like the plasma experiments, dynamic instability limits compression >>> and fusion yield. >>> >>> >>> >> >> Pretty cool. >> Why are you all wearing masks? Here they abandoned them, the pandemic >> has subsided (and it is summer). Or is it to protect the site you are >> at? > > They are required inside NIF, don't know why. They didn't require us > to wear booties or walk on sticky pads to de-dust our shoes, like a > semiconductor fab would. > > Few people wear masks here in normal life. Maybe 5% are masked in > public outdoors, maybe 20% at supermarkets, almost none in bars or > restaurants. > > I think some people will wear masks forever. >Well masks are not much help against infection unless everybody wears them but I can understand how people in desperation would wear - say someone on chemo, even if all the mask gives them is just a feeling of better safety. What might be an alternative last line of defence is what what I do, I put a "Fisherman's Friend" https://www.amazon.com/Fishermans-Friend-Lozenges-Original-Strong/dp/B01IAI1YN0/ref=sr_1_12?crid=2ZN87NLGDC133&keywords=fishermans+friend&qid=1656174992&sprefix=fishermen%27s+friend%2Caps%2C180&sr=8-12 in my mouth when on public transport etc. Don't know if it works and I am no longer addicted to these (which I was to a point where my tongue was constantly dark brown, may years ago while I lived in Germany) but well, they don't hurt. And I still enjoy them.
