interviewing

On Monday, April 18, 2022 at 1:28:13 PM UTC+10, palli...@gmail.com wrote:
>  bill....@ieee.org wrote: 

<snip>
 
> > > > like Huntington's, but it's the sum of hundreds of genetic effects. 
> > > 
> > > ** But just ONE overriding one. 
> > 
> > Completely wrong. 
> > 
> > https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fncel.2019.00385/full 
> >
> ** Only CONGENITAL LIARS post links like that. 

Phil can't understand a word of it., and feels hurt.

> And clueless Google Monkeys like Bill Sloman. 

I'm fairly sure that Robert Plomin's "Blueprint" says much the same thing, but that's a book and I can't post a link to it's content

https://www.penguin.com.au/books/blueprint-9780141984261

> It's really just the same as saying: 
> 
> " .. proof of my (very likely wrong assertion is in their somewhere - so go find it Rover. " 

"As is often the case with complex diseases, individuals with similar pathogenic variants may have drastically varying phenotypes".

That sentence is in the introduction - not a lot of reading is required to get to it.

> Well, NO it fucking ain't:  WOOF WOOF !!! 

Phil does seem to enjoy barking up the wrong tree.

-- 
Bill Sloman, Sydney

IEEE Bill  rides ( his fat hobby horse) again:  bill....@ieee.org wrote:

======================================================

** Re autism,  JL postulated: 

> but it's the sum of hundreds of genetic effects.
> > 
> > > > ** But just ONE overriding one. 

** The IEEE horseman got on his high one:.

> 
> > > Completely wrong. 
> > > 
> > > https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fncel.2019.00385/full 
> > > 
> > ** Only CONGENITAL LIARS post links like that.
 
> > And clueless Google Monkeys like Bill Sloman. 

> > " .. proof of my (very likely wrong assertion is in their somewhere - so go find it Rover. "

> "As is often the case with complex diseases, individuals with similar pathogenic variants may have drastically varying phenotypes". 


** Purest   ** gobbledegook **  having  ZERO to do with my simple and very true claim. 

That autistics have one characteristic thing in common. 



......  Phil 

On Monday, April 18, 2022 at 1:56:42 PM UTC+10, palli...@gmail.com wrote:
>  bill....@ieee.org wrote: 
> 
> ** Re autism, JL postulated:
> > but it's the sum of hundreds of genetic effects. 
> > > 
> > > > > ** But just ONE overriding one.
>
> ** Bill got on his high horse:.

As I do when people post utter nonsense.
 
> > > > Completely wrong. 
> > > > 
> > > > https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fncel.2019.00385/full 
> > > > 
> > > ** Only CONGENITAL LIARS post links like that.
> > > And clueless Google Monkeys like Bill Sloman.
> >
> > m fairly sure that Robert Plomin's "Blueprint" says much the same thing, but that's a book and I can't post a link to it's content.

 <Putting back the line Phil snipped.>

> > > " .. proof of my (very likely wrong assertion is in their somewhere - so go find it Rover. " 
> 
> > "As is often the case with complex diseases, individuals with similar pathogenic variants may have drastically varying phenotypes".
> > That sentence is in the introduction - not a lot of reading is required to get to it. 

> ** Purest ** gobbledegook ** having ZERO to do with my simple and very true claim. 

Phil can't understand that it directly contradicts his simple - but totally false - claim. The phenotype is just what is produced when the genotype - the genetic blueprint provided in the original fertilised egg - has developed into an adult. If every sufferer from autism suffered from the same crucial genetic defect, they'd have a pretty similar phenotypes. They don't.

> That autistics have one characteristic thing in common. 

That isn't true either. If it were Phil could name it.

His diagnosis of autism does seem to depend on one common characteristic - the sufferer has to have the temerity to disagree with Phil. Phil gets  a lot of stuff wrong, so he does see a lot more "autism" than people who are trained to diagnose the actual disorder.

-- 
Bill Sloman, Sydney

On 16/04/2022 16:12, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
> On Sat, 16 Apr 2022 11:37:50 +0100, Martin Brown
> <'''newspam'''@nonad.co.uk> wrote:
> 
>> On 14/04/2022 15:35, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

>>> To find out how someone will work with your design team, just do it.
>>
>> Although I draw the line at the nasty modern practice of tasking some
>> bunch of poor unfortunate would be recruits with solving one of your
>> tricky real world problems for nothing in an attempt to win the job.
>>
>> You can generally tell pretty quickly whether or not someone really
>> knows their stuff as claimed on the CV or has mugged it up from "Ace the
>> technical interview for Dummies" or even done no prep at all.
>>
>> "What would you like to ask me about the job?" can be informative too.
>>
>> We had a couple of short test pieces of code ~20 lines for each language
>> and the test was to explain what the code does. Much like you would with
>> a circuit diagram in hardware. Quite a few had no real understanding of
>> the language(s) that they claimed to know fluently. Saved a lot of time.
>>
>> One of the key requirements is to have a balanced team.
>>
>> You need the odd completer finisher to ensure that the last remaining
>> uninteresting bits do get done when the people who break new ground are
>> off doing the next interesting big project. Resource is always finite.
> 
> We did a job interview yesterday. The guy arrived at 11 AM and left
> just after 6 PM. I walked him over the I80 footbridge back to his car.
> 
> We brainstormed the architecture and details of a planned product
> line, including things that we haven't yet resolved. Free consulting.

If you are going to offer a job to one of the candidates at the end of 
the interview process then fair enough. What I don't like are vapourware 
jobs just intended to obtain free consulting from would be candidates.

Right now it isn't a problem in the UK almost everywhere is short 
staffed coming out of lockdown and it is very much a sellers market.
> He admits to being autistic, which is if anything an asset in our
> business. Another guy that we zoom interviewed this week is autistic
> too. Visibly so.

High functioning autistic engineers can be very good if suitably 
motivated and pointed at the right problems (as various security 
breaches of various US military computers will attest).

> We agreed that if we hire him, it will be as a virtual intern, in
> other words we'd try it for few months to see how it works and part
> friends if not. That was his suggestion, and I like it.

They can be a bit of a handful. Hope it works out for both sides.

-- 
Regards,
Martin Brown

On Sun, 17 Apr 2022 15:05:09 -0700 (PDT), Phil Allison
<pallison49@gmail.com> wrote:

>ljla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote: 
>================================== 
>>>
>> >> > 
>> >> >> >> It was interesting to see not just his intelligence and technical 
>> >> >> >> range, but how he generated ideas and reacted to other peoples' ideas. 
>> >> >> >> Perhaps a tad dogmatic, 
>> >> >> > 
>> >> >> >** So in reality a whole lot and exactly like JL - another autistic. 
>> >> >< 
>> >> >> No, quite different. It's called a "spectrum" for good reason. 
>> >> > 
>> >> > 
>> >> >** JL misreads, all the time. 
>> >> > 
>> >> >His words "... a tad dogmatic" - are clearly an understatement. 
>> >> >So in reality the applicant was a whole lot dogmatic 
>> >> >Like JL is, 100% of the time, including now. 
>> >> > 
>> >> > 
>> >> >> >> but I guess people are stressed in interviews. 
>> >> >> > 
>> >> >> >** Nope - that is how most autistics permanently ARE. 
>> >> > 
>> >> >> No, quite the opposite. 
>> >> > 
>> >> >** Fraid that is a totally undeniable fact. 
>> >> > 
>> >> > 
>> >> >> >> He admits to being autistic, which is if anything an asset in our business. 
>> >> >> > 
>> >> >> >** My god, what a shitty business you are in. 
>> >> > 
>> >> >> Thinking objectively, 
>> >> > 
>> >> >** Not something JL has ever done. 
>> >> > ASD people cannot be genuinely objective. 
>> >> > Lacking empathy just makes them mean and nasty. 
>> >> > 
>> >> >> > 
>> >> >> >But I guess being socially awkward and obsessed with tiny details is some sort advantage when doing PCBs. 
>> >> >> 
>> >> >> The tiny details matter. 
>> >> > 
>> >> >** But there is NO need to be autistic and obsessed to deal with details when needed. 
>> >> > 
>> >> >> >> Another guy that we zoom interviewed this week is autistic too. 
>> >> >> > 
>> >> >> >** So PCB design is one step below code scribbling ? 
>> >> >> > 
>> >> >> >> Visibly so. 
>> >> >> > 
>> >> >> >** Wonder what that means. 
>> >> >> 
>> >> >> Rocking back and forth into the camera, especially visible with the 
>> >> >> close-up cam of a laptop. I let him know so maybe he can try to not do 
>> >> >> it in the future. 
>> >> > 
>> >> >** LOL - better he not LOOK like a nut case - eh ? 
>> >> > 
>> >> > 
>> >> >> Mo works with autistics. 
>> >> > 
>> >> >** She is one, you fool. 
>> >> > 
>> >> > 
>> >> >> >Hesitant speech, makes no eye contact and looks plain odd? 
>> >> >> 
>> >> >> No that guy was great otherwise. 
>> >> > 
>> >> >** Blatant lie. 
>> >> > 
>> >> >One autistic has no way to evaluate another. 
>> >> >Be like a blind person trying to evaluate someone's vision. 
>> >> 
>> >> The issue isn't personality stuff, 
>> > 
>> >** It is and YOU raised it, in direst relation to " interviewing". 
>> > FFS READ your own words !!!. 
>> > 
>> >> it's electronics: 
>> > 
>> >** Anyone can see " electronics" was never even mentioned.
>>>
>>
>> When we interview EEs, of course we talk about electronics.
>
>**  Yaawwwnnn  -  more obfuscation. 
>
>   Plus JL resorts to the Royal Plural. 

The interview was one applicant and 5 of us. Also known as "we".

I do need people to share the blame.



-- 

I yam what I yam - Popeye

On Mon, 18 Apr 2022 11:14:58 +0100, Martin Brown
<'''newspam'''@nonad.co.uk> wrote:

>On 16/04/2022 16:12, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
>> On Sat, 16 Apr 2022 11:37:50 +0100, Martin Brown
>> <'''newspam'''@nonad.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>>> On 14/04/2022 15:35, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
>
>>>> To find out how someone will work with your design team, just do it.
>>>
>>> Although I draw the line at the nasty modern practice of tasking some
>>> bunch of poor unfortunate would be recruits with solving one of your
>>> tricky real world problems for nothing in an attempt to win the job.
>>>
>>> You can generally tell pretty quickly whether or not someone really
>>> knows their stuff as claimed on the CV or has mugged it up from "Ace the
>>> technical interview for Dummies" or even done no prep at all.
>>>
>>> "What would you like to ask me about the job?" can be informative too.
>>>
>>> We had a couple of short test pieces of code ~20 lines for each language
>>> and the test was to explain what the code does. Much like you would with
>>> a circuit diagram in hardware. Quite a few had no real understanding of
>>> the language(s) that they claimed to know fluently. Saved a lot of time.
>>>
>>> One of the key requirements is to have a balanced team.
>>>
>>> You need the odd completer finisher to ensure that the last remaining
>>> uninteresting bits do get done when the people who break new ground are
>>> off doing the next interesting big project. Resource is always finite.
>> 
>> We did a job interview yesterday. The guy arrived at 11 AM and left
>> just after 6 PM. I walked him over the I80 footbridge back to his car.
>> 
>> We brainstormed the architecture and details of a planned product
>> line, including things that we haven't yet resolved. Free consulting.
>
>If you are going to offer a job to one of the candidates at the end of 
>the interview process then fair enough. What I don't like are vapourware 
>jobs just intended to obtain free consulting from would be candidates.
>

Don't be silly. It would make no sense to spend time and money
interviewing job seekers (which includes flying them to California for
a few days and paying all the expenses) to get a few hours of
questonable consulting. If we need consulting, we'd get someone good
and pay them their rate.



>Right now it isn't a problem in the UK almost everywhere is short 
>staffed coming out of lockdown and it is very much a sellers market.
>> He admits to being autistic, which is if anything an asset in our
>> business. Another guy that we zoom interviewed this week is autistic
>> too. Visibly so.
>
>High functioning autistic engineers can be very good if suitably 
>motivated and pointed at the right problems (as various security 
>breaches of various US military computers will attest).
>
>> We agreed that if we hire him, it will be as a virtual intern, in
>> other words we'd try it for few months to see how it works and part
>> friends if not. That was his suggestion, and I like it.
>
>They can be a bit of a handful. Hope it works out for both sides.

Hiring is always scary. I hate to fire people, or have people walk
out, but sometimes things don't work.





-- 

I yam what I yam - Popeye

jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

===================================
> 
> >> >** Anyone can see " electronics" was never even mentioned. 
> >>> 
> >> 
> >> When we interview EEs, of course we talk about electronics. 
> > 
> >** Yaawwwnnn - more obfuscation. 
> > 
> > Plus JL resorts to the Royal Plural.
>
> The interview was one applicant and 5 of us. Also known as "we". 
>

**  Jesus fucking Christ Almighty  !!!!!! 

So now JL tells us he lines up a panel of  * 5 smug autistics *  like himself to interrogate and intimidate individual victims. 
What a living nightmare,  Kafka would be impressed. 

Worst possible method of finding actually competent staff. 
Might as well flip a coin. 



.....  Phil 

On Saturday, 16 April 2022 at 23:48:54 UTC+1, palli...@gmail.com wrote:
> jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote: 
> 
> ================================== 
> > > 
> > >> It was interesting to see not just his intelligence and technical 
> > >> range, but how he generated ideas and reacted to other peoples' ideas. 
> > >> Perhaps a tad dogmatic, 
> > > 
> > >** So in reality a whole lot and exactly like JL - another autistic. 
> < 
> > No, quite different. It's called a "spectrum" for good reason.
> ** JL misreads, all the time. 
> 
> His words "... a tad dogmatic" - are clearly an understatement. 
> So in reality the applicant was a whole lot dogmatic 
> Like JL is, 100% of the time, including now.
> > >> but I guess people are stressed in interviews. 
> > > 
> > >** Nope - that is how most autistics permanently ARE. 
> 
> > No, quite the opposite.
> ** Fraid that is a totally undeniable fact.
> > >> He admits to being autistic, which is if anything an asset in our business. 
> > > 
> > >** My god, what a shitty business you are in. 
> 
> > Thinking objectively,
> ** Not something JL has ever done. 
> ASD people cannot be genuinely objective. 
> Lacking empathy just makes them mean and nasty.
> > > 
> > >But I guess being socially awkward and obsessed with tiny details is some sort advantage when doing PCBs. 
> > 
> > The tiny details matter.
> ** But there is NO need to be autistic and obsessed to deal with details when needed.
> > >> Another guy that we zoom interviewed this week is autistic too. 
> > > 
> > >** So PCB design is one step below code scribbling ? 
> > > 
> > >> Visibly so. 
> > > 
> > >** Wonder what that means. 
> > 
> > Rocking back and forth into the camera, especially visible with the 
> > close-up cam of a laptop. I let him know so maybe he can try to not do 
> > it in the future.
> ** LOL - better he not LOOK like a nut case - eh ? 
> 
> 
> > Mo works with autistics. 
> 
> ** She is one, you fool.
> > >Hesitant speech, makes no eye contact and looks plain odd? 
> > 
> > No that guy was great otherwise.
> ** Blatant lie. 
> 
> One autistic has no way to evaluate another. 
> Be like a blind person trying to evaluate someone's vision. 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ..... Phil

Phil doesn't understand the autistic spectrum

On Monday, 18 April 2022 at 23:08:07 UTC+1, palli...@gmail.com wrote:
> jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote: 

> > The interview was one applicant and 5 of us. Also known as "we". 
> >
> ** Jesus fucking Christ Almighty !!!!!! 
> 
> So now JL tells us he lines up a panel of * 5 smug autistics * like himself to interrogate and intimidate individual victims. 
> What a living nightmare, Kafka would be impressed. 
> 
> Worst possible method of finding actually competent staff. 
> Might as well flip a coin. 
> 
> 
> 
> ..... Phil

 1 2 1 interviewers miss a lot. You learn that from having multiple people interviewing.

 Tabby puked up a hair ball:

=======================
>
> > One autistic has no way to evaluate another. 
> > Be like a blind person trying to evaluate someone's vision. 
> > 
> Phil doesn't understand the autistic spectrum

**   Tabby makes completely ASD fucked morons look smart. 

       FOAD  Tabby.