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Unsettled: What Climate Science Tells Us, What It Doesn't, and Why It Matters

Started by Joe Gwinn November 29, 2021
I just finished reading the following book, which may be of interest.

The Wall Street Journal reviewed this book:

.<https://www.wsj.com/articles/unsettled-review-theconsensus-on-climate-11619383653>

"&#2013266065;Unsettled&#2013266066; Review: The &#2013266065;Consensus&#2013266066; On Climate", WSJ, By Mark P.
Mills, April 25, 2021 4:47 pm ET.


Which led me to buy the book on Amazon:

.<https://www.amazon.com/Unsettled-Climate-Science-Doesnt-Matters/dp/1950665798/ref=sr_1_1>

"Unsettled: What Climate Science Tells Us, What It Doesn't, and Why It
Matters", BenBella Books, Hardcover &#2013266070; April 27, 2021, by Steve E.
Koonin, 320 pages. 

The author chases various loudly-made claims back into the original
literature cited in the IPCC reports, draining all the drama from
those claims.


Joe Gwinn
Joe Gwinn <joegwinn@comcast.net> wrote in
news:mf6aqglflu5p82tes7o9okm5f24c0dcpna@4ax.com: 

> > I just finished reading the following book, which may be of > interest. > > The Wall Street Journal reviewed this book: > > .<https://www.wsj.com/articles/unsettled-review-theconsensus-on-cli > mate-11619383653> > > "&#2013266065;Unsettled&#2013266066; Review: The &#2013266065;Consensus&#2013266066; On Climate", WSJ, By Mark P. > Mills, April 25, 2021 4:47 pm ET. > > > Which led me to buy the book on Amazon: > > .<https://www.amazon.com/Unsettled-Climate-Science-Doesnt-Matters/d > p/1950665798/ref=sr_1_1> > > "Unsettled: What Climate Science Tells Us, What It Doesn't, and > Why It Matters", BenBella Books, Hardcover &#2013266070; April 27, 2021, by > Steve E. Koonin, 320 pages. > > The author chases various loudly-made claims back into the > original literature cited in the IPCC reports, draining all the > drama from those claims. > > > Joe Gwinn >
I had a NASA LaserDisc decades ago that showed where a very early space shuttle crew observed a huge Ozone hole over Antarctica. We helped to stop it by banning CFCs in the US but much of the rest of the world still uses tons of it (Mexico). <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CaLOiGEDPJQ> <https://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/features/WorldWithoutOzone>
On 30/11/21 6:05 am, DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org wrote:
> Joe Gwinn <joegwinn@comcast.net> wrote in > news:mf6aqglflu5p82tes7o9okm5f24c0dcpna@4ax.com: > >> >> I just finished reading the following book, which may be of >> interest. >> >> The Wall Street Journal reviewed this book: >> >> .<https://www.wsj.com/articles/unsettled-review-theconsensus-on-cli >> mate-11619383653> >> >> "&lsquo;Unsettled&rsquo; Review: The &lsquo;Consensus&rsquo; On Climate", WSJ, By Mark P. >> Mills, April 25, 2021 4:47 pm ET. >> >> >> Which led me to buy the book on Amazon: >> >> .<https://www.amazon.com/Unsettled-Climate-Science-Doesnt-Matters/d >> p/1950665798/ref=sr_1_1> >> >> "Unsettled: What Climate Science Tells Us, What It Doesn't, and >> Why It Matters", BenBella Books, Hardcover &ndash; April 27, 2021, by >> Steve E. Koonin, 320 pages. >> >> The author chases various loudly-made claims back into the >> original literature cited in the IPCC reports, draining all the >> drama from those claims. >> >> >> Joe Gwinn >> > > I had a NASA LaserDisc decades ago that showed where a very early > space shuttle crew observed a huge Ozone hole over Antarctica. We > helped to stop it by banning CFCs in the US but much of the rest of > the world still uses tons of it (Mexico). > > <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CaLOiGEDPJQ> > > <https://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/features/WorldWithoutOzone> >
All of which has almost *nothing* to do with climate change. I have more reason than most to care about UV and the ozone hole, having lived my childhood under the strong southern sunshine, but pray tell why it is relevant to this discussion, please? Clifford Heath
On Tuesday, November 30, 2021 at 5:29:08 AM UTC+11, Joe Gwinn wrote:
> I just finished reading the following book, which may be of interest. > > The Wall Street Journal reviewed this book: > > .<https://www.wsj.com/articles/unsettled-review-theconsensus-on-climate-11619383653> > > "&lsquo;Unsettled&rsquo; Review: The &lsquo;Consensus&rsquo; On Climate", WSJ, By Mark P. > Mills, April 25, 2021 4:47 pm ET. > > > Which led me to buy the book on Amazon: > > .<https://www.amazon.com/Unsettled-Climate-Science-Doesnt-Matters/dp/1950665798/ref=sr_1_1> > > "Unsettled: What Climate Science Tells Us, What It Doesn't, and Why It > Matters", BenBella Books, Hardcover &ndash; April 27, 2021, by Steve E. > Koonin, 320 pages. > > The author chases various loudly-made claims back into the original > literature cited in the IPCC reports, draining all the drama from > those claims.
From the Amazon reviews "As more scientists look at Koonin's work, it is not faring well. Global fire decreasing? Apparently he is using figures that mostly measure man-made fires set by farmers, which are decreasing. Wildfire is increasing. Greenland not melting faster than 80 years ago? Well it is melting faster than 60, 70, 90 or 100 years ago. But there was a brief heat wave 80 years ago, making the statement true but irrelevant. It goes on an on like that. His claims are a mish mash of untruths, cherry-picked facts, misrepresentative claims and some actual truth mixed in. But it should not be taken as an honest review of climate science. " It looks as if he has been got at by the climate change denial propaganda machine. They do seem willing to pay well. -- Bill Sloman, Sydney
On Mon, 29 Nov 2021 18:03:35 -0800 (PST), Anthony William Sloman
<bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote:

>On Tuesday, November 30, 2021 at 5:29:08 AM UTC+11, Joe Gwinn wrote: >> I just finished reading the following book, which may be of interest. >> >> The Wall Street Journal reviewed this book: >> >> .<https://www.wsj.com/articles/unsettled-review-theconsensus-on-climate-11619383653> >> >> "&#2013266065;Unsettled&#2013266066; Review: The &#2013266065;Consensus&#2013266066; On Climate", WSJ, By Mark P. >> Mills, April 25, 2021 4:47 pm ET. >> >> >> Which led me to buy the book on Amazon: >> >> .<https://www.amazon.com/Unsettled-Climate-Science-Doesnt-Matters/dp/1950665798/ref=sr_1_1> >> >> "Unsettled: What Climate Science Tells Us, What It Doesn't, and Why It >> Matters", BenBella Books, Hardcover &#2013266070; April 27, 2021, by Steve E. >> Koonin, 320 pages. >> >> The author chases various loudly-made claims back into the original >> literature cited in the IPCC reports, draining all the drama from >> those claims. > >From the Amazon reviews > >"As more scientists look at Koonin's work, it is not faring well. Global fire decreasing? Apparently he is using figures that mostly measure man-made fires set by farmers, which are decreasing. Wildfire is increasing. Greenland not melting faster than 80 years ago? Well it is melting faster than 60, 70, 90 or 100 years ago. But there was a brief heat wave 80 years ago, making the statement true but irrelevant. It goes on an on like that. His claims are a mish mash of untruths, cherry-picked facts, misrepresentative claims and some actual truth mixed in. But it should not be taken as an honest review of climate science. " > >It looks as if he has been got at by the climate change denial propaganda machine. They do seem willing to pay well.
You are actually making Koonin's point. While it's true that some of the one-star reviews made these kinds of points, some material context has been omitted: There are 2,533 ratings so far, with 82% of them being five-star, and 2% being one-star. Few books get that high a five-star rating. Joe Gwinn
On Wednesday, December 1, 2021 at 10:24:51 AM UTC+11, Joe Gwinn wrote:
> On Mon, 29 Nov 2021 18:03:35 -0800 (PST), Anthony William Sloman > <bill....@ieee.org> wrote: > > >On Tuesday, November 30, 2021 at 5:29:08 AM UTC+11, Joe Gwinn wrote: > >> I just finished reading the following book, which may be of interest. > >> > >> The Wall Street Journal reviewed this book: > >> > >> .<https://www.wsj.com/articles/unsettled-review-theconsensus-on-climate-11619383653> > >> > >> "&lsquo;Unsettled&rsquo; Review: The &lsquo;Consensus&rsquo; On Climate", WSJ, By Mark P. > >> Mills, April 25, 2021 4:47 pm ET. > >> > >> > >> Which led me to buy the book on Amazon: > >> > >> .<https://www.amazon.com/Unsettled-Climate-Science-Doesnt-Matters/dp/1950665798/ref=sr_1_1> > >> > >> "Unsettled: What Climate Science Tells Us, What It Doesn't, and Why It > >> Matters", BenBella Books, Hardcover &ndash; April 27, 2021, by Steve E. > >> Koonin, 320 pages. > >> > >> The author chases various loudly-made claims back into the original > >> literature cited in the IPCC reports, draining all the drama from > >> those claims. > > > >From the Amazon reviews > > > >"As more scientists look at Koonin's work, it is not faring well. Global fire decreasing? Apparently he is using figures that mostly measure man-made fires set by farmers, which are decreasing. Wildfire is increasing. Greenland not melting faster than 80 years ago? Well it is melting faster than 60, 70, 90 or 100 years ago. But there was a brief heat wave 80 years ago, making the statement true but irrelevant. It goes on an on like that. His claims are a mish mash of untruths, cherry-picked facts, misrepresentative claims and some actual truth mixed in. But it should not be taken as an honest review of climate science. " > > > >It looks as if he has been got at by the climate change denial propaganda machine. They do seem willing to pay well. > > You are actually making Koonin's point.
Far from it.
> While it's true that some of the one-star reviews made these kinds of points, some material context has been omitted: > > There are 2,533 ratings so far, with 82% of them being five-star, and > 2% being one-star. Few books get that high a five-star rating.
Unless they are being hyped by the climate change denial propaganda machine. John Larkin thinks very highly of climate change denial propaganda that endorses his enthusiasm for denying climate change - it is called confirmation bias - and people who share his silly (if comforting) ideas do tend behave this way. You seem to be one more of them. -- Bill Sloman, Sydney
On Tuesday, November 30, 2021 at 11:41:13 AM UTC+11, Clifford Heath wrote:
> On 30/11/21 6:05 am, DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote: > > Joe Gwinn <joeg...@comcast.net> wrote in news:mf6aqglflu5p82tes...@4ax.com: > >> > >> I just finished reading the following book, which may be of > >> interest. > >> > >> The Wall Street Journal reviewed this book: > >> > >> .<https://www.wsj.com/articles/unsettled-review-theconsensus-on-climate-11619383653> > >> > >> "&lsquo;Unsettled&rsquo; Review: The &lsquo;Consensus&rsquo; On Climate", WSJ, By Mark P. Mills, April 25, 2021 4:47 pm ET.
Of course it would. The Murdoch media gets a lot of advertising income from the fossil carbon extraction industry, and keep them sweet by hyping climate change denial propaganda. The Murdoch media in Australia recently promised to stop doing it, but didn't look all that sincere about it their resident right-wing lunatic denialists weren't told to shut up.
> >> Which led me to buy the book on Amazon: > >> > >> .<https://www.amazon.com/Unsettled-Climate-Science-Doesnt-Matters/d > >> p/1950665798/ref=sr_1_1> > >> > >> "Unsettled: What Climate Science Tells Us, What It Doesn't, and > >> Why It Matters", BenBella Books, Hardcover &ndash; April 27, 2021, by > >> Steve E. Koonin, 320 pages. > >> > >> The author chases various loudly-made claims back into the > >> original literature cited in the IPCC reports, draining all the > >> drama from those claims. > > > > I had a NASA LaserDisc decades ago that showed where a very early > > space shuttle crew observed a huge Ozone hole over Antarctica. We > > helped to stop it by banning CFCs in the US but much of the rest of > > the world still uses tons of it (Mexico). > > > > <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CaLOiGEDPJQ> > > > > <https://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/features/WorldWithoutOzone> > > > All of which has almost *nothing* to do with climate change. > > I have more reason than most to care about UV and the ozone hole, having > lived my childhood under the strong southern sunshine, but pray tell why > it is relevant to this discussion, please?
The ozone hole was discovered shortly before anthropogenic global warming (in terms of newspaper coverage). The reaction to the existence of the ozone hole was a rapid phasing out of the chorofluorocarbon refrigants that were doing the damage. The people who made money out of making and selling them didn't like it much, but they weren't making as much money as the fossil carbon extraction industry does, and couldn't afford an ozone-hole denial propaganda machine. That makes it a very relevant observation. -- Bill Sloman, Sydney
On Mon, 29 Nov 2021 13:28:58 -0500, Joe Gwinn <joegwinn@comcast.net>
wrote:

> >I just finished reading the following book, which may be of interest. > >The Wall Street Journal reviewed this book: > >.<https://www.wsj.com/articles/unsettled-review-theconsensus-on-climate-11619383653> > >"&#2013266065;Unsettled&#2013266066; Review: The &#2013266065;Consensus&#2013266066; On Climate", WSJ, By Mark P. >Mills, April 25, 2021 4:47 pm ET. > > >Which led me to buy the book on Amazon: > >.<https://www.amazon.com/Unsettled-Climate-Science-Doesnt-Matters/dp/1950665798/ref=sr_1_1> > >"Unsettled: What Climate Science Tells Us, What It Doesn't, and Why It >Matters", BenBella Books, Hardcover &#2013266070; April 27, 2021, by Steve E. >Koonin, 320 pages. > >The author chases various loudly-made claims back into the original >literature cited in the IPCC reports, draining all the drama from >those claims. > > >Joe Gwinn
Climate Science tells us that we were all dead 20 years ago. -- Father Brown's figure remained quite dark and still; but in that instant he had lost his head. His head was always most valuable when he had lost it.
On Wednesday, December 1, 2021 at 3:40:54 PM UTC+11, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
> On Mon, 29 Nov 2021 13:28:58 -0500, Joe Gwinn <joeg...@comcast.net> > wrote: > > > >I just finished reading the following book, which may be of interest. > > > >The Wall Street Journal reviewed this book: > > > >.<https://www.wsj.com/articles/unsettled-review-theconsensus-on-climate-11619383653> > > > >"&lsquo;Unsettled&rsquo; Review: The &lsquo;Consensus&rsquo; On Climate", WSJ, By Mark P. > >Mills, April 25, 2021 4:47 pm ET. > > > > > >Which led me to buy the book on Amazon: > > > >.<https://www.amazon.com/Unsettled-Climate-Science-Doesnt-Matters/dp/1950665798/ref=sr_1_1> > > > >"Unsettled: What Climate Science Tells Us, What It Doesn't, and Why It > >Matters", BenBella Books, Hardcover &ndash; April 27, 2021, by Steve E. > >Koonin, 320 pages. > > > >The author chases various loudly-made claims back into the original > >literature cited in the IPCC reports, draining all the drama from > >those claims.
More climate change denial propaganda,
> Climate Science tells us that we were all dead 20 years ago.
John Larkin is a sucker for climate chance denial propaganda. No climate scientist has ever said anything of the sort. The climate change denial industry trawls old newspapers for reporters mis-understandings of what scientist have said which they can tout as false predictions. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth_in_the_Balance is a respectable sample of what was being forecast back in 1992. Everybody being dead by now isn't in there. -- Bill Sloman, Sydney
Clifford Heath <no.spam@please.net> wrote in
news:16bc2c1d1c6cae61$1$3588101$26dd2c6e@news.thecubenet.com: 

> On 30/11/21 6:05 am, DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org > wrote: >> Joe Gwinn <joegwinn@comcast.net> wrote in >> news:mf6aqglflu5p82tes7o9okm5f24c0dcpna@4ax.com: >> >>> >>> I just finished reading the following book, which may be of >>> interest. >>> >>> The Wall Street Journal reviewed this book: >>> >>> .<https://www.wsj.com/articles/unsettled-review-theconsensus-on-c >>> li mate-11619383653> >>> >>> "&lsquo;Unsettled&rsquo; Review: The &lsquo;Consensus&rsquo; On Climate", WSJ, >>> By Mark P. Mills, April 25, 2021 4:47 pm ET. >>> >>> >>> Which led me to buy the book on Amazon: >>> >>> .<https://www.amazon.com/Unsettled-Climate-Science-Doesnt-Matters >>> /d p/1950665798/ref=sr_1_1> >>> >>> "Unsettled: What Climate Science Tells Us, What It Doesn't, and >>> Why It Matters", BenBella Books, Hardcover &ndash; April 27, 2021, >>> by Steve E. Koonin, 320 pages. >>> >>> The author chases various loudly-made claims back into the >>> original literature cited in the IPCC reports, draining all the >>> drama from those claims. >>> >>> >>> Joe Gwinn >>> >> >> I had a NASA LaserDisc decades ago that showed where a very >> early >> space shuttle crew observed a huge Ozone hole over Antarctica. We >> helped to stop it by banning CFCs in the US but much of the rest >> of the world still uses tons of it (Mexico). >> >> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CaLOiGEDPJQ> >> >> <https://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/features/WorldWithoutOzone> >> > > All of which has almost *nothing* to do with climate change.
You are an idiot. Did you get birthed through the same decending colon as John Larkin did?
> > I have more reason than most to care about UV and the ozone hole, > having lived my childhood under the strong southern sunshine, but > pray tell why it is relevant to this discussion, please?
So, in other words, you did not even watch the videos. Pathetic. You're a real piece of...