On 11/17/21 04:02, Rick C wrote:> On Wednesday, November 17, 2021 at 6:22:16 AM UTC-4, T wrote: >> >> What sort-of works on old cloths (that pick it up >> by me sitting in peoples chairs): > > You talk about picking it up from other people's furniture, but don't you smell that as soon as you enter the room or sit in the chair?Of course. I am a computer consultant. I have to enter their rooms and sit in their chairs or my family will starve.> > I'm presently living in Airbnb places for a couple of weeks at a time. I often walk into an apartment only to find it has been fumigated with these sorts of scents. Sometimes I can't sleep in the bed right away. I think this is mostly fabric softeners, but sometimes they add special scents to the place when cleaning or even have those plug in fresheners.Oh and the exhaust from their dryers after using fabric softeners pollutes the air in the neighborhood too> > To people who aren't sensitive, all these scents smell good. To the rest of us it's not a lot different from spreading the smell of feces or decaying flesh. Some scents are barely noticeable and not offensive to me, like in the antiperspirants I use. I wonder why they use the scents that are much stronger and easily offend. I guess it's still a tiny minority who are sensitive and what sells, sells. >Oh I do not know about "tiny". Just under 20% of the population has breathing issues of one type or another. Asthma especially.
OT: alcohol based perfume removal?
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On 11/17/21 07:57, Liz Tuddenham wrote:> Some of the so-called 'fresheners' are just as bad as the perfumes for > triggering allergies.No fooling!
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On 11/17/21 08:17, amdx wrote:> On 11/17/2021 9:57 AM, Liz Tuddenham wrote: >> amdx <amdx@knology.net> wrote: >> >>> On 11/16/2021 11:06 PM, T wrote: >>>> Hi All, >>>> >>>> Anyone with a chemistry background? >>>> >>>> There are now laundry perfumes and fabric finishes >>>> (that are highly scented) that are not meant to >>>> wash out. They toxic substances are very difficult >>>> on folks with allergies, especially asthma.  They >>>> don't wash out. >>>> >>>> Somewhere that I do not remember, I read that these >>>> toxic substances are alcohol soluble and won't wash >>>> out in water. Am I correct? >>>> >>>> Anyway, if alcohol soluble, how do you get them out? >>>> Dump a bottle of rubbing alcohol in the washer? >>>> >>>> Any other ideas one way other the other? >>>> >>>> Many thanks, >>>> -T >>> I suggest you call the manufacturers of ODOBAN and ODOR-BAN and ask if >>> >>> their product would help. >>> >>>> https://odoban.com/what-is-odoban/ >>>> https://www.janilink.com/shop/deodorizer-freshener/deodorizer-chemicals/ >>>> >>>> https://odorban-odor-neutralizer/ >> Some of the so-called 'fresheners' are just as bad as the perfumes for >> triggering allergies. > > Does that include these two?Yup!> I eliminated two that had a scent, like vanilla citrus. I did suggest > calling the manufacturer to get more info.To clear the house of bad smells, such as fish cooking, boil a couple of cinnamon sticks.
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On 11/17/21 10:15, Liz Tuddenham wrote:>> I did suggest >> calling the manufacturer to get more info.> I doubt if you will get anything other than a bland statement that their > products are fine or only contain 'natural' ingredients (such as > D-Limonene, oxalic acid, tannin and aconitine?).I have tried calling the manufacturers. They won't answer you as they think your are about to sue them and they really just don't care. Tide for example.
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On 11/17/21 13:06, Cydrome Leader wrote:> T <T@invalid.invalid> wrote: >> Hi All, >> >> Anyone with a chemistry background? >> >> There are now laundry perfumes and fabric finishes >> (that are highly scented) that are not meant to >> wash out. They toxic substances are very difficult >> on folks with allergies, especially asthma. They >> don't wash out. >> >> Somewhere that I do not remember, I read that these >> toxic substances are alcohol soluble and won't wash >> out in water. Am I correct? >> >> Anyway, if alcohol soluble, how do you get them out? >> Dump a bottle of rubbing alcohol in the washer? >> >> Any other ideas one way other the other? >> >> Many thanks, >> -T > > Not sure what you're after here, but if you want a laundry detergent > itself with no extra smells of any type added, look at the lineup from > Atsko. The no UV hunting detergent and sport wash are the same product > with different labelling. Nothing else comes close to just being detergent > with no additives. The stuff has virtually no odor even if you smell from > the jug itself. It also leaves no weird residues on washed clothing. It's > perfect for hypochondriacs or people who just need rags with no residue on > them. >I am after getting other people chemicals out of my cloths. I have tried stuff for hunters and it does not work.
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On 11/17/21 13:56, Clifford Heath wrote:> vinegar in the rinseThat use to work, until they came up with these new persistent chemicals
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On 11/17/21 02:03, Carlos E. R. wrote:> The obvious solution is simply to not add a softener to the machine - > our machines have 4 receptacles: pre-wash, wash, bleach, and softener.Hi Carlos, Oh lord! What makes you think I would use these chemicals? My house is totally unscented. I am picking them up from other people's houses and businesses. -T
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On 11/17/21 04:02, Rick C wrote:> To people who aren't sensitive, all these scents smell good.Forbes did an article about 40 years ago about that. The new fragrances are meant to be remembered. The easiest way is for them to be "offensive". I remember walking down a business hallway and remarking "Did someone spray for ants?" and a secretary proudly announced "It is my new perfume! It is called 'Poison'!" And yes, I remembered it. Some still smell good. Most now smell like roach spray or the sweat off a pig. We call it "dress for success perfume" because women dressed in business suites are the worst offenders.> To the rest of us it's not a lot different from spreading the smell of feces or decaying flesh. Some scents are barely noticeable and not offensive to me, like in the antiperspirants I use.To those that are sensitive, your deodorant does bother them, especially Brute. Your hand lotion, hand soap, shampoo, shaving lotion, hand sanitize too. Keep in mine that your nose can only smell differences, so you quickly get immune to the smell and can't tell it is there. To add insult to injury, some folks keep adding perfume some they can smell it again, not to mention "layering" perfumes. Consider using White Vinegar as your deodorant. No toxic chemicals in it and it works really well.>I wonder why they use the scents that are much stronger and easily offend. I guess it's still a tiny minority who are sensitive and what sells, sells.A "minority for sure, but not a "tiny minority". And corporations could come up with stinks that are non-toxic if they wanted to. But those cost more money. I hate to say it, but when dealing with large corporations, they are neither moral nor immoral. They are "amoral". All that matters is the number at the bottom line of their spreadsheet. It is the job of lawyers to tilt that number towards them using nontoxic scents. Or our neighbors could give a damn about the affect on those around them and stop purchasing those products. That would tilt the number on the bottom line in a hell of a hurry. Unfortunately, most do not give a damn if their neighbor has to leave the grocery store gasping in terror trying to breath and could not purchase food.
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On 11/17/21 09:12, Martin Brown wrote:> You might get better answers in sci.chem than hereI just posted over there. I originally searched for it in subscriptions, but I typed out "chemistry" and could not find it. Thank you!
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T <T@invalid.invalid> wrote: [...]> Oh and the exhaust from their dryers after using > fabric softeners pollutes the air in the > neighborhood tooI've had that too. I finished up begging my neighbour to redirect their dryer exhaust or use something unperfumed, but she adamantly refused. Her husband came round apologising, but it was no use, he couldn't get her to stop either and I lost two years of being able to work in my garden until they moved away. -- ~ Liz Tuddenham ~ (Remove the ".invalid"s and add ".co.uk" to reply) www.poppyrecords.co.uk
