On Wednesday, November 17, 2021 at 6:22:16 AM UTC-4, T wrote:> > What sort-of works on old cloths (that pick it up > by me sitting in peoples chairs):You talk about picking it up from other people's furniture, but don't you smell that as soon as you enter the room or sit in the chair? I'm presently living in Airbnb places for a couple of weeks at a time. I often walk into an apartment only to find it has been fumigated with these sorts of scents. Sometimes I can't sleep in the bed right away. I think this is mostly fabric softeners, but sometimes they add special scents to the place when cleaning or even have those plug in fresheners. To people who aren't sensitive, all these scents smell good. To the rest of us it's not a lot different from spreading the smell of feces or decaying flesh. Some scents are barely noticeable and not offensive to me, like in the antiperspirants I use. I wonder why they use the scents that are much stronger and easily offend. I guess it's still a tiny minority who are sensitive and what sells, sells. -- Rick C. -- Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging -- Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209
OT: alcohol based perfume removal?
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On 11/16/2021 11:06 PM, T wrote:> Hi All, > > Anyone with a chemistry background? > > There are now laundry perfumes and fabric finishes > (that are highly scented) that are not meant to > wash out. They toxic substances are very difficult > on folks with allergies, especially asthma. They > don't wash out. > > Somewhere that I do not remember, I read that these > toxic substances are alcohol soluble and won't wash > out in water. Am I correct? > > Anyway, if alcohol soluble, how do you get them out? > Dump a bottle of rubbing alcohol in the washer? > > Any other ideas one way other the other? > > Many thanks, > -TI suggest you call the manufacturers of ODOBAN and ODOR-BAN and ask if their product would help.> https://odoban.com/what-is-odoban/ > https://www.janilink.com/shop/deodorizer-freshener/deodorizer-chemicals/odorban-odor-neutralizer/-- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus
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amdx <amdx@knology.net> wrote:> On 11/16/2021 11:06 PM, T wrote: > > Hi All, > > > > Anyone with a chemistry background? > > > > There are now laundry perfumes and fabric finishes > > (that are highly scented) that are not meant to > > wash out. They toxic substances are very difficult > > on folks with allergies, especially asthma. They > > don't wash out. > > > > Somewhere that I do not remember, I read that these > > toxic substances are alcohol soluble and won't wash > > out in water. Am I correct? > > > > Anyway, if alcohol soluble, how do you get them out? > > Dump a bottle of rubbing alcohol in the washer? > > > > Any other ideas one way other the other? > > > > Many thanks, > > -T > > I suggest you call the manufacturers of ODOBAN and ODOR-BAN and ask if > > their product would help. > > > https://odoban.com/what-is-odoban/ > > https://www.janilink.com/shop/deodorizer-freshener/deodorizer-chemicals/ > > https://odorban-odor-neutralizer/Some of the so-called 'fresheners' are just as bad as the perfumes for triggering allergies. -- ~ Liz Tuddenham ~ (Remove the ".invalid"s and add ".co.uk" to reply) www.poppyrecords.co.uk
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On 11/17/2021 9:57 AM, Liz Tuddenham wrote:> amdx <amdx@knology.net> wrote: > >> On 11/16/2021 11:06 PM, T wrote: >>> Hi All, >>> >>> Anyone with a chemistry background? >>> >>> There are now laundry perfumes and fabric finishes >>> (that are highly scented) that are not meant to >>> wash out. They toxic substances are very difficult >>> on folks with allergies, especially asthma.  They >>> don't wash out. >>> >>> Somewhere that I do not remember, I read that these >>> toxic substances are alcohol soluble and won't wash >>> out in water. Am I correct? >>> >>> Anyway, if alcohol soluble, how do you get them out? >>> Dump a bottle of rubbing alcohol in the washer? >>> >>> Any other ideas one way other the other? >>> >>> Many thanks, >>> -T >> I suggest you call the manufacturers of ODOBAN and ODOR-BAN and ask if >> >> their product would help. >> >>> https://odoban.com/what-is-odoban/ >>> https://www.janilink.com/shop/deodorizer-freshener/deodorizer-chemicals/ >>> https://odorban-odor-neutralizer/ > Some of the so-called 'fresheners' are just as bad as the perfumes for > triggering allergies. Does that include these two? I eliminated two that had a scent, like vanilla citrus. I did suggest calling the manufacturer to get more info. -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus
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On 17/11/2021 10:09, T wrote:> On 11/17/21 00:28, whit3rd wrote: >> On Tuesday, November 16, 2021 at 9:06:09 PM UTC-8, T wrote: >> >>> There are now laundry perfumes and fabric finishes >>> (that are highly scented) that are not meant to >>> wash out. They toxic substances are very difficult >>> on folks with allergies, especially asthma. They >>> don't wash out. ... >> >>> Anyway, if alcohol soluble, how do you get them out? >>> Dump a bottle of rubbing alcohol in the washer? >> >> On the principle that like dissolves like, if water doesn't dissolve >> these scents, try dry cleaning. If water does dissolve 'em, but they >> diffuse slow, >> a long soak (bucket of water, immerse for a day before laundering) can >> be useful. Use distilled water and a little wetting agent (Woolite?). >> >> Sometimes alkali (washing soda) can be added to a wash load, if you >> want more variables to play with. >> > > I am going to respond to my original post with what > does not work and what sort-of worksYou might get better answers in sci.chem than here. At least there it will be on topic. You may struggle to find a way to defeat the systems in modern detergents. Most of the scents used today are not especially toxic unless you are a hypochondriac. Some of them make me sneeze. Your best bet is to buy hypoallergenic or equivalently fragrance free products rather than trying to denature the chemistry of standard off the shelf products. Someone spent a lot of time and effort making molecules that bind well to fabrics and then slowly release again. -- Regards, Martin Brown
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amdx <amdx@knology.net> wrote:> On 11/17/2021 9:57 AM, Liz Tuddenham wrote: > > amdx <amdx@knology.net> wrote: > > > >> On 11/16/2021 11:06 PM, T wrote: > >>> Hi All, > >>> > >>> Anyone with a chemistry background? > >>> > >>> There are now laundry perfumes and fabric finishes > >>> (that are highly scented) that are not meant to > >>> wash out. They toxic substances are very difficult > >>> on folks with allergies, especially asthma.  They > >>> don't wash out. > >>> > >>> Somewhere that I do not remember, I read that these > >>> toxic substances are alcohol soluble and won't wash > >>> out in water. Am I correct? > >>> > >>> Anyway, if alcohol soluble, how do you get them out? > >>> Dump a bottle of rubbing alcohol in the washer? > >>> > >>> Any other ideas one way other the other? > >>> > >>> Many thanks, > >>> -T > >> I suggest you call the manufacturers of ODOBAN and ODOR-BAN and ask if > >> > >> their product would help. > >> > >>> https://odoban.com/what-is-odoban/ > >>> https://www.janilink.com/shop/deodorizer-freshener/deodorizer-chemicals/ > >>> https://odorban-odor-neutralizer/ > > Some of the so-called 'fresheners' are just as bad as the perfumes for > > triggering allergies. > > Does that include these two?I have never come across them, but I am in the UK and they may not be on sale here. Most things here with 'Fresh' on the labels are toxic as hell.> I eliminated two that had a scent, like vanilla citrus. I did suggest > calling the manufacturer to get more info.I doubt if you will get anything other than a bland statement that their products are fine or only contain 'natural' ingredients (such as D-Limonene, oxalic acid, tannin and aconitine?). -- ~ Liz Tuddenham ~ (Remove the ".invalid"s and add ".co.uk" to reply) www.poppyrecords.co.uk
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On Wednesday, November 17, 2021 at 4:23:45 AM UTC-4, Jeff Layman wrote:> On 17/11/2021 05:06, T wrote: > > Hi All, > > > > Anyone with a chemistry background? > > > > There are now laundry perfumes and fabric finishes > > (that are highly scented) that are not meant to > > wash out. They toxic substances are very difficult > > on folks with allergies, especially asthma. They > > don't wash out. > > > > Somewhere that I do not remember, I read that these > > toxic substances are alcohol soluble and won't wash > > out in water. Am I correct? > There are lots of fragrances listed at > <https://smartlabel.pg.com/00037000754480.html>. These would, in > general, show very limited solubility in water as they are mainly > esters, aldehydes, and cyclic compounds which are highly lipophilic.I'm remembering some of my organic chemistry which I took at Hood College, formally an all girls school. Esters are made of a reaction of an alcohol and an acid, each of which has an aliphatic group (simple hydrocarbon). The resulting ester often has a very strong aroma. I want to say we had a lab where we each made a different ester, some were a very nice scent such as banana, but the starting ingredients can be quite foul such as butyric acid. I don't think there would be anything special about esters in terms of hanging onto clothing when washed. But then I recall having trouble getting the funk out of clothes when used for kayaking. That would likely be the butyric acid. Probably just a degree of amount, but possibly there is something created by microbes while waiting to be washed that makes the scent hang. You have to consider there can be agents added specifically to make the scent hang to the clothing. I believe they add compounds to perfumes just for that purpose. -- Rick C. -+ Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging -+ Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209
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T <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:> Hi All, > > Anyone with a chemistry background? > > There are now laundry perfumes and fabric finishes > (that are highly scented) that are not meant to > wash out. They toxic substances are very difficult > on folks with allergies, especially asthma. They > don't wash out. > > Somewhere that I do not remember, I read that these > toxic substances are alcohol soluble and won't wash > out in water. Am I correct? > > Anyway, if alcohol soluble, how do you get them out? > Dump a bottle of rubbing alcohol in the washer? > > Any other ideas one way other the other? > > Many thanks, > -TNot sure what you're after here, but if you want a laundry detergent itself with no extra smells of any type added, look at the lineup from Atsko. The no UV hunting detergent and sport wash are the same product with different labelling. Nothing else comes close to just being detergent with no additives. The stuff has virtually no odor even if you smell from the jug itself. It also leaves no weird residues on washed clothing. It's perfect for hypochondriacs or people who just need rags with no residue on them.
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On 17/11/21 9:22 pm, T wrote:> Most > folks without skin irritations to detergents seldom > rise all the soap out of their cloths.Sorry you've become so sensitive. I have no help to offer you. For other folk here: residual soap is a problem, even with low-irritant, low-perfume or low-allergenic washing soaps. I found that I get a persistent rash (like, 3mo of steroid creams to remove) under my sox or undies from residual soap. It takes a few days for the rash to come up. We adopted the practise of putting vinegar in the rinse aid/fabric treatment section of the washer, and the problem vanished. Better than fabric treatment products, which didn't work for me. If you get similar symptoms, you might find that helps you too. CH
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On 11/17/21 01:59, Liz Tuddenham wrote:> In my opinion, these chemicals should be banned outright because we have > no way of avoiding them. (Some are already banned as known carcinogens > and other toxins, but the manufacturers are under no obligation to list > the ingredients in perfumes. so they just go on using them.)100% agree.
