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rant: filenames

Started by Unknown November 8, 2021
What do you think this is? [1]

mech_eng_jw.pdf

Or maybe

datasheet.pdf ?

And why do some PDFs page continuously and some jump between pages?
You can't even see all of the stuff on the jumpers.

And why do some web sites, especially Asian and European ones, make
you sequentially open a huge list of randomly named PDFs to see what
they have?

And why do some people use one data sheet to cover their entire
product line, with complicated made-up part numbers, most not
available in stock anywhere? That's typically european. 



[1] it's a data sheet for a relay


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jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:

> What do you think this is? [1] > > mech_eng_jw.pdf > > Or maybe > > datasheet.pdf ?
> [1] it's a data sheet for a relay
So save it with a better name, or change the name. Why does it need a proper name when you're just viewing it? Who cares about the name of a document that pops up? You got to it with no trouble? Or... Was finding it the problem? You're too busy to save it with a better name?
On 2021-11-08 17:45, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
> What do you think this is? [1] > > mech_eng_jw.pdf > > Or maybe > > datasheet.pdf ?
Gaius Julius Ceasar said it already: "Forgive him, he is a barbarian who thinks the customs of his tribe are the laws of the universe." That hasn't changed much since then... Jeroen Belleman
On 2021/11/08 8:45 a.m., jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
> What do you think this is? [1] > > mech_eng_jw.pdf > > Or maybe > > datasheet.pdf ? > > And why do some PDFs page continuously and some jump between pages? > You can't even see all of the stuff on the jumpers. > > And why do some web sites, especially Asian and European ones, make > you sequentially open a huge list of randomly named PDFs to see what > they have? > > And why do some people use one data sheet to cover their entire > product line, with complicated made-up part numbers, most not > available in stock anywhere? That's typically european. > > > > [1] it's a data sheet for a relay > >
I just rename PDFs when I download and sort them, pretty trivial on my Macbook Pro. I don't expect manufacturers to follow any ISO naming standards - although it would be nice... John :-#)#
On 11/8/2021 18:45, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
> What do you think this is? [1] > > mech_eng_jw.pdf > > Or maybe > > datasheet.pdf ? > > And why do some PDFs page continuously and some jump between pages? > You can't even see all of the stuff on the jumpers. > > And why do some web sites, especially Asian and European ones, make > you sequentially open a huge list of randomly named PDFs to see what > they have? > > And why do some people use one data sheet to cover their entire > product line, with complicated made-up part numbers, most not > available in stock anywhere? That's typically european. > > > > [1] it's a data sheet for a relay > >
Look at how Texas Instruments' pdf files are named indeed. Bad Europeans bad.
On Monday, November 8, 2021 at 3:31:37 PM UTC-5, Dimiter Popoff wrote:
> On 11/8/2021 18:45, highland technology wrote: > > What do you think this is? [1] > > > > mech_eng_jw.pdf > > > > Or maybe > > > > datasheet.pdf ? > > > > And why do some PDFs page continuously and some jump between pages? > > You can't even see all of the stuff on the jumpers. > > > > And why do some web sites, especially Asian and European ones, make > > you sequentially open a huge list of randomly named PDFs to see what > > they have? > > > > And why do some people use one data sheet to cover their entire > > product line, with complicated made-up part numbers, most not > > available in stock anywhere? That's typically European. > > > > > > > > [1] it's a data sheet for a relay > > > > > Look at how Texas Instruments' pdf files are named indeed. > Bad Europeans bad.
While confusing, TI's system allows you to keep older versions of a datasheet easily. I simply put a file into a folder with the part number followed by a space, a dash and the OEM name That can be followed the same way with a brief description. This way I can select a family, hen drill down to the desired file quickly without confusion. I agree about the datasheet archive sites that name everything datasheet.pdf They do that to keep users from downloading a lot of files, automatically. What pisses me off is how many websites that turn up in a search when they don't have any data for.
On Monday, November 8, 2021 at 8:45:59 AM UTC-8, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
> What do you think this is? [1] > > mech_eng_jw.pdf > > Or maybe > > datasheet.pdf ?
The file can be identified by a unique name, OR, in modern usage, by a heirarchical sequence in free-form "access-method://archive.com/floor/room/bookcase/shelf/relays/model7734-0/datasheet.pdf" and since the worldwide web took over, the unique name has become rare. Chinese pictograms are unique names, and that's a DREADFUL system (errors of translation, and of pronunciation, are endemic) for most uses. On the other hand, I once perused a dictionary translation of 'Milky Way' into Tigrigna, that took a paragraph (of Ethiopic script) so the long-descriptive-name also has issues. Since Chinese symbols aren't pronounceable, lots of things get nearly-accurate names; pin jacks and pin plugs, for instance, are '2mm banana jack' and '2mm banana plug' on Aliexpress. Hey, something with similar function was 'banana'! That's a valuable search term!
On Mon, 8 Nov 2021 13:01:17 -0800 (PST), Michael Terrell
<terrell.michael.a@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Monday, November 8, 2021 at 3:31:37 PM UTC-5, Dimiter Popoff wrote: >> On 11/8/2021 18:45, highland technology wrote: >> > What do you think this is? [1] >> > >> > mech_eng_jw.pdf >> > >> > Or maybe >> > >> > datasheet.pdf ? >> > >> > And why do some PDFs page continuously and some jump between pages? >> > You can't even see all of the stuff on the jumpers. >> > >> > And why do some web sites, especially Asian and European ones, make >> > you sequentially open a huge list of randomly named PDFs to see what >> > they have? >> > >> > And why do some people use one data sheet to cover their entire >> > product line, with complicated made-up part numbers, most not >> > available in stock anywhere? That's typically European. >> > >> > >> > >> > [1] it's a data sheet for a relay >> > >> > >> Look at how Texas Instruments' pdf files are named indeed. >> Bad Europeans bad. > >While confusing, TI's system allows you to keep older versions of a datasheet easily.
How about TI_LM317_A.pdf ? -- If a man will begin with certainties, he shall end with doubts, but if he will be content to begin with doubts he shall end in certainties. Francis Bacon
On 11/9/2021 0:13, John Larkin wrote:
> On Mon, 8 Nov 2021 13:01:17 -0800 (PST), Michael Terrell > <terrell.michael.a@gmail.com> wrote: > >> On Monday, November 8, 2021 at 3:31:37 PM UTC-5, Dimiter Popoff wrote: >>> On 11/8/2021 18:45, highland technology wrote: >>>> What do you think this is? [1] >>>> >>>> mech_eng_jw.pdf >>>> >>>> Or maybe >>>> >>>> datasheet.pdf ? >>>> >>>> And why do some PDFs page continuously and some jump between pages? >>>> You can't even see all of the stuff on the jumpers. >>>> >>>> And why do some web sites, especially Asian and European ones, make >>>> you sequentially open a huge list of randomly named PDFs to see what >>>> they have? >>>> >>>> And why do some people use one data sheet to cover their entire >>>> product line, with complicated made-up part numbers, most not >>>> available in stock anywhere? That's typically European. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> [1] it's a data sheet for a relay >>>> >>>> >>> Look at how Texas Instruments' pdf files are named indeed. >>> Bad Europeans bad. >> >> While confusing, TI's system allows you to keep older versions of a datasheet easily. > > How about TI_LM317_A.pdf ? >
Hah, looks like it has not been that long since they acquired NSC :-). Let us see which system will prevail, may be one day I will not have to rename their pdfs. The first one I found in my archive which I have not renamed turned out to be en errata sheet for the 5420 DSP. Filename is sprz190b.pdf ....
jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
> What do you think this is? [1] > > mech_eng_jw.pdf > > Or maybe > > datasheet.pdf ? > > And why do some PDFs page continuously and some jump between pages? > You can't even see all of the stuff on the jumpers. > > And why do some web sites, especially Asian and European ones, make > you sequentially open a huge list of randomly named PDFs to see what > they have?
Socialist habits of everybody having a useless job shuffling unneccessary papers and adhering to dated, rigid processes, lack of creativity, no gains from improving processes, shitty software for managing documentation.
> And why do some people use one data sheet to cover their entire > product line, with complicated made-up part numbers, most not > available in stock anywhere? That's typically european.
Sounds like german engineering- why use two parts when you can use three?
> [1] it's a data sheet for a relay
Highly incomplete datasheets that are full of cruft annoy me. Had make phone calls to see how long the leads are that are potted into a sensor. 2.5meters, apparently. That seems like a big detail to forget to include.