On 10/16/2021 12:52 AM, Ed Lee wrote:> On Friday, October 15, 2021 at 9:24:02 PM UTC-7, bitrex wrote: >> On 10/16/2021 12:15 AM, bitrex wrote: >>> On 10/15/2021 8:18 PM, Ed Lee wrote: >>>> On Friday, October 15, 2021 at 4:46:49 PM UTC-7, bitrex wrote: >>>>> On 10/15/2021 4:37 PM, Fred Bloggs wrote: >>>>>> On Friday, October 15, 2021 at 3:50:20 PM UTC-4, John Doe wrote: >>>>>>> The cannibal left wins again! >>>>>> >>>>>> They're not talking about ordinary petty shoplifting. They're >>>>>> talking about organized shoplifting where they come in the store >>>>>> with carts and trash bags and just clean the place out. The problem >>>>>> with San Francisco is they let these people walk without jail time. >>>>>> Heck, they probably up their monthly welfare benefits. Soon they'll >>>>>> be complaining about the city being a pharmacy desert. >>>>>> >>>>> San Francisco recently sold all its public housing to private >>>>> real-estate firms under the "Rental Assistance Demonstration" program, >>>>> there won't be many welfare recipients in town much longer. Trump was >>>>> one of the biggest supporters of expanding the program so you can guess >>>>> about how effective it'll be to providing any housing to the destitute >>>>> regularly >>>> >>>> Are you saying Trump is a socialist? Or for the best of the >>>> community, a communist? >>>> >>> >>> No, the Trump plan was to sell out a bunch of federal public housing to >>> private property equity firms under a program that was designed with the >>> understanding that public funds would be used to incentivize the private >>> property management firms to fix them up, and contractually obligate >>> them to keep X number of the units low income/section 8 housing. > > Karl Marx would argue that the government should just sell it to the residents, and provide incentive for them to maintain it. The government is still on the hook for sect 8 housing cost anyway. > >>> And then just not provide the money and not do any oversight on the >>> program, so the private equity firms have no choice but to toss the >>> seniors and disabled orphans > > The residents would likely be converted to sect 8 anyway. Tossing them out? Fat chance. You don't know the SF court system.I think individual landlords would have a lot more to be concerned about from the court system than some private equity firm.
OT: Walgreens closing 5 San Francisco stores due to shoplifting
Started by ●October 15, 2021
Reply by ●October 16, 20212021-10-16
Reply by ●October 16, 20212021-10-16
On Friday, October 15, 2021 at 10:39:51 PM UTC-7, bitrex wrote:> On 10/16/2021 12:52 AM, Ed Lee wrote: > > On Friday, October 15, 2021 at 9:24:02 PM UTC-7, bitrex wrote: > >> On 10/16/2021 12:15 AM, bitrex wrote: > >>> On 10/15/2021 8:18 PM, Ed Lee wrote: > >>>> On Friday, October 15, 2021 at 4:46:49 PM UTC-7, bitrex wrote: > >>>>> On 10/15/2021 4:37 PM, Fred Bloggs wrote: > >>>>>> On Friday, October 15, 2021 at 3:50:20 PM UTC-4, John Doe wrote: > >>>>>>> The cannibal left wins again! > >>>>>> > >>>>>> They're not talking about ordinary petty shoplifting. They're > >>>>>> talking about organized shoplifting where they come in the store > >>>>>> with carts and trash bags and just clean the place out. The problem > >>>>>> with San Francisco is they let these people walk without jail time. > >>>>>> Heck, they probably up their monthly welfare benefits. Soon they'll > >>>>>> be complaining about the city being a pharmacy desert. > >>>>>> > >>>>> San Francisco recently sold all its public housing to private > >>>>> real-estate firms under the "Rental Assistance Demonstration" program, > >>>>> there won't be many welfare recipients in town much longer. Trump was > >>>>> one of the biggest supporters of expanding the program so you can guess > >>>>> about how effective it'll be to providing any housing to the destitute > >>>>> regularly > >>>> > >>>> Are you saying Trump is a socialist? Or for the best of the > >>>> community, a communist? > >>>> > >>> > >>> No, the Trump plan was to sell out a bunch of federal public housing to > >>> private property equity firms under a program that was designed with the > >>> understanding that public funds would be used to incentivize the private > >>> property management firms to fix them up, and contractually obligate > >>> them to keep X number of the units low income/section 8 housing. > > > > Karl Marx would argue that the government should just sell it to the residents, and provide incentive for them to maintain it. The government is still on the hook for sect 8 housing cost anyway. > > > >>> And then just not provide the money and not do any oversight on the > >>> program, so the private equity firms have no choice but to toss the > >>> seniors and disabled orphans > > > > The residents would likely be converted to sect 8 anyway. Tossing them out? Fat chance. You don't know the SF court system. > What do you think prevents a private firm from putting them out? They > just toss their shit on the street and lock the doors and say "sue us."That's not how eviction work. You have to get court papers to evict. Otherwise, it's illegal eviction and landlord gets into big trouble.> Then where do you live while waiting the 26 months for your case to come > up in the courts?Same place while waiting for the courts. Rent free.
Reply by ●October 16, 20212021-10-16
On Friday, October 15, 2021 at 10:53:36 PM UTC-7, bitrex wrote:> On 10/16/2021 12:52 AM, Ed Lee wrote: > > On Friday, October 15, 2021 at 9:24:02 PM UTC-7, bitrex wrote: > >> On 10/16/2021 12:15 AM, bitrex wrote: > >>> On 10/15/2021 8:18 PM, Ed Lee wrote: > >>>> On Friday, October 15, 2021 at 4:46:49 PM UTC-7, bitrex wrote: > >>>>> On 10/15/2021 4:37 PM, Fred Bloggs wrote: > >>>>>> On Friday, October 15, 2021 at 3:50:20 PM UTC-4, John Doe wrote: > >>>>>>> The cannibal left wins again! > >>>>>> > >>>>>> They're not talking about ordinary petty shoplifting. They're > >>>>>> talking about organized shoplifting where they come in the store > >>>>>> with carts and trash bags and just clean the place out. The problem > >>>>>> with San Francisco is they let these people walk without jail time. > >>>>>> Heck, they probably up their monthly welfare benefits. Soon they'll > >>>>>> be complaining about the city being a pharmacy desert. > >>>>>> > >>>>> San Francisco recently sold all its public housing to private > >>>>> real-estate firms under the "Rental Assistance Demonstration" program, > >>>>> there won't be many welfare recipients in town much longer. Trump was > >>>>> one of the biggest supporters of expanding the program so you can guess > >>>>> about how effective it'll be to providing any housing to the destitute > >>>>> regularly > >>>> > >>>> Are you saying Trump is a socialist? Or for the best of the > >>>> community, a communist? > >>>> > >>> > >>> No, the Trump plan was to sell out a bunch of federal public housing to > >>> private property equity firms under a program that was designed with the > >>> understanding that public funds would be used to incentivize the private > >>> property management firms to fix them up, and contractually obligate > >>> them to keep X number of the units low income/section 8 housing. > > > > Karl Marx would argue that the government should just sell it to the residents, and provide incentive for them to maintain it. The government is still on the hook for sect 8 housing cost anyway. > > > >>> And then just not provide the money and not do any oversight on the > >>> program, so the private equity firms have no choice but to toss the > >>> seniors and disabled orphans > > > > The residents would likely be converted to sect 8 anyway. Tossing them out? Fat chance. You don't know the SF court system. > I think individual landlords would have a lot more to be concerned about > from the court system than some private equity firm.Private equity firm has more money to be sued and not enough claim for owner/occupier eviction.
Reply by ●October 16, 20212021-10-16
On 10/16/2021 2:52 AM, Ed Lee wrote:> On Friday, October 15, 2021 at 10:39:51 PM UTC-7, bitrex wrote: >> On 10/16/2021 12:52 AM, Ed Lee wrote: >>> On Friday, October 15, 2021 at 9:24:02 PM UTC-7, bitrex wrote: >>>> On 10/16/2021 12:15 AM, bitrex wrote: >>>>> On 10/15/2021 8:18 PM, Ed Lee wrote: >>>>>> On Friday, October 15, 2021 at 4:46:49 PM UTC-7, bitrex wrote: >>>>>>> On 10/15/2021 4:37 PM, Fred Bloggs wrote: >>>>>>>> On Friday, October 15, 2021 at 3:50:20 PM UTC-4, John Doe wrote: >>>>>>>>> The cannibal left wins again! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> They're not talking about ordinary petty shoplifting. They're >>>>>>>> talking about organized shoplifting where they come in the store >>>>>>>> with carts and trash bags and just clean the place out. The problem >>>>>>>> with San Francisco is they let these people walk without jail time. >>>>>>>> Heck, they probably up their monthly welfare benefits. Soon they'll >>>>>>>> be complaining about the city being a pharmacy desert. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> San Francisco recently sold all its public housing to private >>>>>>> real-estate firms under the "Rental Assistance Demonstration" program, >>>>>>> there won't be many welfare recipients in town much longer. Trump was >>>>>>> one of the biggest supporters of expanding the program so you can guess >>>>>>> about how effective it'll be to providing any housing to the destitute >>>>>>> regularly >>>>>> >>>>>> Are you saying Trump is a socialist? Or for the best of the >>>>>> community, a communist? >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> No, the Trump plan was to sell out a bunch of federal public housing to >>>>> private property equity firms under a program that was designed with the >>>>> understanding that public funds would be used to incentivize the private >>>>> property management firms to fix them up, and contractually obligate >>>>> them to keep X number of the units low income/section 8 housing. >>> >>> Karl Marx would argue that the government should just sell it to the residents, and provide incentive for them to maintain it. The government is still on the hook for sect 8 housing cost anyway. >>> >>>>> And then just not provide the money and not do any oversight on the >>>>> program, so the private equity firms have no choice but to toss the >>>>> seniors and disabled orphans >>> >>> The residents would likely be converted to sect 8 anyway. Tossing them out? Fat chance. You don't know the SF court system. >> What do you think prevents a private firm from putting them out? They >> just toss their shit on the street and lock the doors and say "sue us." > > That's not how eviction work. You have to get court papers to evict. Otherwise, it's illegal eviction and landlord gets into big trouble.It's an extreme example but it happens regularly, you don't "have" to do anything. There are lots of ways of "managing out" tenants you don't want to be there, though. The claim is that under these public-private partnership programs where section 9 gets converted to section 8 these tactics go way up, along with just regular evictions. Courts are all backed up, they don't wanna deal with this stuff and once the public-private partnership is in place would prefer that arrangement to "self-regulate.">> Then where do you live while waiting the 26 months for your case to come >> up in the courts? > > Same place while waiting for the courts. Rent free. >
Reply by ●October 16, 20212021-10-16
On 10/16/2021 2:55 AM, Ed Lee wrote:> On Friday, October 15, 2021 at 10:53:36 PM UTC-7, bitrex wrote: >> On 10/16/2021 12:52 AM, Ed Lee wrote: >>> On Friday, October 15, 2021 at 9:24:02 PM UTC-7, bitrex wrote: >>>> On 10/16/2021 12:15 AM, bitrex wrote: >>>>> On 10/15/2021 8:18 PM, Ed Lee wrote: >>>>>> On Friday, October 15, 2021 at 4:46:49 PM UTC-7, bitrex wrote: >>>>>>> On 10/15/2021 4:37 PM, Fred Bloggs wrote: >>>>>>>> On Friday, October 15, 2021 at 3:50:20 PM UTC-4, John Doe wrote: >>>>>>>>> The cannibal left wins again! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> They're not talking about ordinary petty shoplifting. They're >>>>>>>> talking about organized shoplifting where they come in the store >>>>>>>> with carts and trash bags and just clean the place out. The problem >>>>>>>> with San Francisco is they let these people walk without jail time. >>>>>>>> Heck, they probably up their monthly welfare benefits. Soon they'll >>>>>>>> be complaining about the city being a pharmacy desert. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> San Francisco recently sold all its public housing to private >>>>>>> real-estate firms under the "Rental Assistance Demonstration" program, >>>>>>> there won't be many welfare recipients in town much longer. Trump was >>>>>>> one of the biggest supporters of expanding the program so you can guess >>>>>>> about how effective it'll be to providing any housing to the destitute >>>>>>> regularly >>>>>> >>>>>> Are you saying Trump is a socialist? Or for the best of the >>>>>> community, a communist? >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> No, the Trump plan was to sell out a bunch of federal public housing to >>>>> private property equity firms under a program that was designed with the >>>>> understanding that public funds would be used to incentivize the private >>>>> property management firms to fix them up, and contractually obligate >>>>> them to keep X number of the units low income/section 8 housing. >>> >>> Karl Marx would argue that the government should just sell it to the residents, and provide incentive for them to maintain it. The government is still on the hook for sect 8 housing cost anyway. >>> >>>>> And then just not provide the money and not do any oversight on the >>>>> program, so the private equity firms have no choice but to toss the >>>>> seniors and disabled orphans >>> >>> The residents would likely be converted to sect 8 anyway. Tossing them out? Fat chance. You don't know the SF court system. >> I think individual landlords would have a lot more to be concerned about >> from the court system than some private equity firm. > > Private equity firm has more money to be sued and not enough claim for owner/occupier eviction. >They do have more money provided to them by the taxpayer. The notion is that they'll use this to make these places really nice but what I expect they do in practice is slap on some band-aids like Champlain Towers, pocket the rest, the market value goes up anyway, and then they stomp around pulling their hair out pissed off about their portfolio of "under-performing properties in high market-value areas" full of assholes on fixed incomes.
Reply by ●October 16, 20212021-10-16
On Saturday, October 16, 2021 at 12:45:42 AM UTC-4, bitrex wrote:> On 10/15/2021 4:37 PM, Fred Bloggs wrote: > > On Friday, October 15, 2021 at 3:50:20 PM UTC-4, John Doe wrote: > >> The cannibal left wins again! > > > > They're not talking about ordinary petty shoplifting. They're talking about organized shoplifting where they come in the store with carts and trash bags and just clean the place out. The problem with San Francisco is they let these people walk without jail time. Heck, they probably up their monthly welfare benefits. Soon they'll be complaining about the city being a pharmacy desert. > > > I watched several videos of the "organized shoplifting" I never saw more > than one guy at a time, and the total wholesale value of the goods was > probably like $500. Big boxes of Advil containers, who in their right > mind buys Advil at Walgreens anyway the markups there are nuts. > > Other than maybe a couple OTC meds outside the pharmacy there's almost > nothing there with any significant street value, 50 cent USB cables > marked up to $14.99 and tons of other cheap Chinese shit. Even the > security guards just standing around didn't give a damn enough to do > anything, nobody's tackling anyone to the ground over that cheap crap > and risking even a sprained ankle, who cares let the insurance company > write them a check for $500. They know they can get away with it because > the "security" doesn't even care, that's how worthless the stuff ishttps://www.retailwire.com/discussion/organized-theft-is-turning-san-francisco-into-retails-wild-west/
Reply by ●October 16, 20212021-10-16
On Friday, October 15, 2021 at 7:46:49 PM UTC-4, bitrex wrote:> On 10/15/2021 4:37 PM, Fred Bloggs wrote: > > On Friday, October 15, 2021 at 3:50:20 PM UTC-4, John Doe wrote: > >> The cannibal left wins again! > > > > They're not talking about ordinary petty shoplifting. They're talking about organized shoplifting where they come in the store with carts and trash bags and just clean the place out. The problem with San Francisco is they let these people walk without jail time. Heck, they probably up their monthly welfare benefits. Soon they'll be complaining about the city being a pharmacy desert. > > > San Francisco recently sold all its public housing to private > real-estate firms under the "Rental Assistance Demonstration" program, > there won't be many welfare recipients in town much longer. Trump was > one of the biggest supporters of expanding the program so you can guess > about how effective it'll be to providing any housing to the destitute > regularlySounds like something you heard on Fox news. The program is nothing like you describe: https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/07/20/how-san-francisco-turned-its-tenements-into-treasures-215391/
Reply by ●October 16, 20212021-10-16
On 10/16/2021 9:02 AM, Fred Bloggs wrote:> On Saturday, October 16, 2021 at 12:45:42 AM UTC-4, bitrex wrote: >> On 10/15/2021 4:37 PM, Fred Bloggs wrote: >>> On Friday, October 15, 2021 at 3:50:20 PM UTC-4, John Doe wrote: >>>> The cannibal left wins again! >>> >>> They're not talking about ordinary petty shoplifting. They're talking about organized shoplifting where they come in the store with carts and trash bags and just clean the place out. The problem with San Francisco is they let these people walk without jail time. Heck, they probably up their monthly welfare benefits. Soon they'll be complaining about the city being a pharmacy desert. >>> >> I watched several videos of the "organized shoplifting" I never saw more >> than one guy at a time, and the total wholesale value of the goods was >> probably like $500. Big boxes of Advil containers, who in their right >> mind buys Advil at Walgreens anyway the markups there are nuts. >> >> Other than maybe a couple OTC meds outside the pharmacy there's almost >> nothing there with any significant street value, 50 cent USB cables >> marked up to $14.99 and tons of other cheap Chinese shit. Even the >> security guards just standing around didn't give a damn enough to do >> anything, nobody's tackling anyone to the ground over that cheap crap >> and risking even a sprained ankle, who cares let the insurance company >> write them a check for $500. They know they can get away with it because >> the "security" doesn't even care, that's how worthless the stuff is > > https://www.retailwire.com/discussion/organized-theft-is-turning-san-francisco-into-retails-wild-west/ >"Criminal activities at retail cost retailers an average of nearly $720,000 for every $1 billion in sales, according to NRF." I saw elsewhere on CNN that these hoodlums purportedly stole "$8 million" worth of product from Walgreens and CVS this year, given that the lying media didn't specify whether this was the retail value or the wholesale value I have to assume it was the retail value. $28 family-size bottles of Advil are not worth $28 on the street or even $14, it's not like stealing Rolexes. At the markup that crap goes for it was MAYBE $80,000 worth of product, oh my God. Also said that SF spends 35 times the average on store security all the security guards I saw didn't do shit! They stood around beating off, what a bunch of lazy rent-a-cops. Great "deterrent", money well spent. Walgreens corp is bleeding out cash they need an excuse to close some under-performing stores in high-rent areas, need to come up with a reason, everyone knows telling wealthy white libs in SF "Honestly it's for your own safety, these hoodlums are going to come in here and kill your kids and put many disabled inter-sectional feminist software engineers from Google at risk, we have no choice" works as good as anywhere.
Reply by ●October 16, 20212021-10-16
John Doe <always.look@message.header> wrote in news:skcm1m$1n3$1@dont- email.me:> The cannibal left wins again! >You are an idiot. There are no people being eaten by anyone. Donald John Trump and QAnon ate your brains though... what little there was to start with. You're a fucking idiot, boy.
Reply by ●October 16, 20212021-10-16
On 10/16/2021 9:26 AM, Fred Bloggs wrote:> On Friday, October 15, 2021 at 7:46:49 PM UTC-4, bitrex wrote: >> On 10/15/2021 4:37 PM, Fred Bloggs wrote: >>> On Friday, October 15, 2021 at 3:50:20 PM UTC-4, John Doe wrote: >>>> The cannibal left wins again! >>> >>> They're not talking about ordinary petty shoplifting. They're talking about organized shoplifting where they come in the store with carts and trash bags and just clean the place out. The problem with San Francisco is they let these people walk without jail time. Heck, they probably up their monthly welfare benefits. Soon they'll be complaining about the city being a pharmacy desert. >>> >> San Francisco recently sold all its public housing to private >> real-estate firms under the "Rental Assistance Demonstration" program, >> there won't be many welfare recipients in town much longer. Trump was >> one of the biggest supporters of expanding the program so you can guess >> about how effective it'll be to providing any housing to the destitute >> regularly > > Sounds like something you heard on Fox news. The program is nothing like you describe: > https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/07/20/how-san-francisco-turned-its-tenements-into-treasures-215391/ >Yes the article is very up-beat about it all, there are other opinions on the matter regarding other places it's been implemented like areas of Brooklyn that claim in practice having a myriad of private finance companies managing different low-income properties all with their own standards and practices is a bureaucratic nightmare at least equal in scale to letting the government manage them directly, and finally of dubious "savings" to the taxpayer. "RAD allows cities to voluntarily transfer their public housing to private operators. The idea is that private managers possess the basic competence at operating housing that city governments all too often lack. The idea makes sense: Operating housing is literally what these companies do, unlike city governments, which have myriad responsibilities." Sounds like the same rationale as to why Donald Trump would make a great president. Private operators have experience running a for-profit model of retail housing, there is no viable for-profit model for low-income housing in cities like SF, the management of these firms will forever be wringing their hands about their "under-performing properties in high market-value areas" and trying to find ways to hoodwink the local government into flipping them into just-regular luxury apartments, no matter what some contractual obligation they may have signed with the city said, same old hustle.
