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OT Aztec Cave Beans

Started by Unknown October 11, 2021

The possibly true legend is that these were found in a cave and carbon
dated back 1500 years and were still viable.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/2s94y3nwl08vzwv/Aztec_Cave_Beans.jpg?raw=1

We found some fresh ones at a farmer's market and cooked up a batch.
Mighty good, sort of like cranberry beans, which also originated in
the Americas.

What did Italians and Irish people eat before pasta, potatoes,
tomatoes, coffee, chocolate, corn, peanuts, all sorts of stuff was
imported?

How can civilization exist without peanut butter cups? Without beer
nuts?

https://www.britannica.com/list/18-food-crops-developed-in-the-americas


-- 

Father Brown's figure remained quite dark and still; 
but in that instant he had lost his head. His head was
always most valuable when he had lost it.



  
On Monday, October 11, 2021 at 11:15:02 AM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
> The possibly true legend is that these were found in a cave and carbon > dated back 1500 years and were still viable.
They were still viable because they're loaded with antinutrients. You can read about their deleterious health effects here: https://openbiotechnologyjournal.com/VOLUME/13/PAGE/68/FULLTEXT/
> > https://www.dropbox.com/s/2s94y3nwl08vzwv/Aztec_Cave_Beans.jpg?raw=1 > > We found some fresh ones at a farmer's market and cooked up a batch. > Mighty good, sort of like cranberry beans, which also originated in > the Americas. > > What did Italians and Irish people eat before pasta, potatoes, > tomatoes, coffee, chocolate, corn, peanuts, all sorts of stuff was > imported?
They survived just fine on grains, fruits, vegetables, seafood and domesticated animal meats.
> > How can civilization exist without peanut butter cups? Without beer > nuts? > > https://www.britannica.com/list/18-food-crops-developed-in-the-americas > > > -- > > Father Brown's figure remained quite dark and still; > but in that instant he had lost his head. His head was > always most valuable when he had lost it.
On Mon, 11 Oct 2021 08:57:05 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
<bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Monday, October 11, 2021 at 11:15:02 AM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote: >> The possibly true legend is that these were found in a cave and carbon >> dated back 1500 years and were still viable. > >They were still viable because they're loaded with antinutrients. You can read about their deleterious health effects here: >https://openbiotechnologyjournal.com/VOLUME/13/PAGE/68/FULLTEXT/ > >> >> https://www.dropbox.com/s/2s94y3nwl08vzwv/Aztec_Cave_Beans.jpg?raw=1 >> >> We found some fresh ones at a farmer's market and cooked up a batch. >> Mighty good, sort of like cranberry beans, which also originated in >> the Americas. >> >> What did Italians and Irish people eat before pasta, potatoes, >> tomatoes, coffee, chocolate, corn, peanuts, all sorts of stuff was >> imported? > >They survived just fine on grains, fruits, vegetables, seafood and domesticated animal meats. >
"Survived just fine" with a 35 year life span punctuated by occasional plagues and famines. Half their kids died young. The fix for anti-nutrients is to combine them with lots of nutrients. Do you suffer from "nausea, bloating, headaches, rashes, nutritional deficiencies, etc" ? That's maybe why you are such a downer. -- Father Brown's figure remained quite dark and still; but in that instant he had lost his head. His head was always most valuable when he had lost it.
On Monday, October 11, 2021 at 12:25:57 PM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
> On Mon, 11 Oct 2021 08:57:05 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs > <bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote: > > >On Monday, October 11, 2021 at 11:15:02 AM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote: > >> The possibly true legend is that these were found in a cave and carbon > >> dated back 1500 years and were still viable. > > > >They were still viable because they're loaded with antinutrients. You can read about their deleterious health effects here: > >https://openbiotechnologyjournal.com/VOLUME/13/PAGE/68/FULLTEXT/ > > > >> > >> https://www.dropbox.com/s/2s94y3nwl08vzwv/Aztec_Cave_Beans.jpg?raw=1 > >> > >> We found some fresh ones at a farmer's market and cooked up a batch. > >> Mighty good, sort of like cranberry beans, which also originated in > >> the Americas. > >> > >> What did Italians and Irish people eat before pasta, potatoes, > >> tomatoes, coffee, chocolate, corn, peanuts, all sorts of stuff was > >> imported? > > > >They survived just fine on grains, fruits, vegetables, seafood and domesticated animal meats. > > > "Survived just fine" with a 35 year life span punctuated by occasional > plagues and famines. Half their kids died young.
Disease was a part of life back then. It was a big deal for a child to survive to teenage years. This was true even in this country up to early 20th century. The old country graveyards are full of children. Aside from the various causes of disease, they didn't know how to treat anything. Sickness that is easily treated and cured these days was a death sentence in the old days.
> > The fix for anti-nutrients is to combine them with lots of nutrients.
Some dietary regimens avoid anything called a seed altogether. The so-called paleo (caveman) diet does this.
> > Do you suffer from "nausea, bloating, headaches, rashes, nutritional > deficiencies, etc" ? That's maybe why you are such a downer.
No, but you will if you keep eating all these weird beans. Just because ape people did certain things in the distant past, doesn't mean it's the thing to do these days.
> -- > > Father Brown's figure remained quite dark and still; > but in that instant he had lost his head. His head was > always most valuable when he had lost it.
On Mon, 11 Oct 2021 09:37:10 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs
<bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Monday, October 11, 2021 at 12:25:57 PM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote: >> On Mon, 11 Oct 2021 08:57:05 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs >> <bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >On Monday, October 11, 2021 at 11:15:02 AM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote: >> >> The possibly true legend is that these were found in a cave and carbon >> >> dated back 1500 years and were still viable. >> > >> >They were still viable because they're loaded with antinutrients. You can read about their deleterious health effects here: >> >https://openbiotechnologyjournal.com/VOLUME/13/PAGE/68/FULLTEXT/ >> > >> >> >> >> https://www.dropbox.com/s/2s94y3nwl08vzwv/Aztec_Cave_Beans.jpg?raw=1 >> >> >> >> We found some fresh ones at a farmer's market and cooked up a batch. >> >> Mighty good, sort of like cranberry beans, which also originated in >> >> the Americas. >> >> >> >> What did Italians and Irish people eat before pasta, potatoes, >> >> tomatoes, coffee, chocolate, corn, peanuts, all sorts of stuff was >> >> imported? >> > >> >They survived just fine on grains, fruits, vegetables, seafood and domesticated animal meats. >> > >> "Survived just fine" with a 35 year life span punctuated by occasional >> plagues and famines. Half their kids died young. > >Disease was a part of life back then. It was a big deal for a child to survive to teenage years. This was true even in this country up to early 20th century. The old country graveyards are full of children. Aside from the various causes of disease, they didn't know how to treat anything. Sickness that is easily treated and cured these days was a death sentence in the old days. > >> >> The fix for anti-nutrients is to combine them with lots of nutrients. > >Some dietary regimens avoid anything called a seed altogether. The so-called paleo (caveman) diet does this.
Placebo diet, more like. No thanks.
>> >> Do you suffer from "nausea, bloating, headaches, rashes, nutritional >> deficiencies, etc" ? That's maybe why you are such a downer. > >No, but you will if you keep eating all these weird beans. Just because ape people did certain things in the distant past, doesn't mean it's the thing to do these days.
We don't eat beans every meal. Poor people often have to eat the same thing all the time, but we don't. -- Father Brown's figure remained quite dark and still; but in that instant he had lost his head. His head was always most valuable when he had lost it.
jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
> > > The possibly true legend is that these were found in a cave and carbon > dated back 1500 years and were still viable.
Isn't carbon dating up there with lie detector tests and dowsing for water?
On Tuesday, October 12, 2021 at 12:39:16 PM UTC+11, Cydrome Leader wrote:
> jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote: > > > > > > The possibly true legend is that these were found in a cave and carbon > > dated back 1500 years and were still viable. > > Isn't carbon dating up there with lie detector tests and dowsing for water?
Not really. The rate at which C-14 gets into the atmosphere (from cosmic rates hitting N-14 and transmuting it into C-14) is a bit erratic, but we now know how to correct for that - and have done for quite a while, since about 1967. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radiocarbon_dating -- Bill Sloman, Sydney
On Monday, October 11, 2021 at 1:21:47 PM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
> On Mon, 11 Oct 2021 09:37:10 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs > <bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote: > > >On Monday, October 11, 2021 at 12:25:57 PM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote: > >> On Mon, 11 Oct 2021 08:57:05 -0700 (PDT), Fred Bloggs > >> <bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> > >> >On Monday, October 11, 2021 at 11:15:02 AM UTC-4, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote: > >> >> The possibly true legend is that these were found in a cave and carbon > >> >> dated back 1500 years and were still viable. > >> > > >> >They were still viable because they're loaded with antinutrients. You can read about their deleterious health effects here: > >> >https://openbiotechnologyjournal.com/VOLUME/13/PAGE/68/FULLTEXT/ > >> > > >> >> > >> >> https://www.dropbox.com/s/2s94y3nwl08vzwv/Aztec_Cave_Beans.jpg?raw=1 > >> >> > >> >> We found some fresh ones at a farmer's market and cooked up a batch. > >> >> Mighty good, sort of like cranberry beans, which also originated in > >> >> the Americas. > >> >> > >> >> What did Italians and Irish people eat before pasta, potatoes, > >> >> tomatoes, coffee, chocolate, corn, peanuts, all sorts of stuff was > >> >> imported? > >> > > >> >They survived just fine on grains, fruits, vegetables, seafood and domesticated animal meats. > >> > > >> "Survived just fine" with a 35 year life span punctuated by occasional > >> plagues and famines. Half their kids died young. > > > >Disease was a part of life back then. It was a big deal for a child to survive to teenage years. This was true even in this country up to early 20th century. The old country graveyards are full of children. Aside from the various causes of disease, they didn't know how to treat anything. Sickness that is easily treated and cured these days was a death sentence in the old days. > > > >> > >> The fix for anti-nutrients is to combine them with lots of nutrients. > > > >Some dietary regimens avoid anything called a seed altogether. The so-called paleo (caveman) diet does this. > Placebo diet, more like. No thanks.
Paleo is not a diet to lose weight, it's a relatively austere diet favored by elite high performance athletes who require a lot of work capacity and high endurance strength. And like you say, no thanks.
> >> > >> Do you suffer from "nausea, bloating, headaches, rashes, nutritional > >> deficiencies, etc" ? That's maybe why you are such a downer. > > > >No, but you will if you keep eating all these weird beans. Just because ape people did certain things in the distant past, doesn't mean it's the thing to do these days. > We don't eat beans every meal. Poor people often have to eat the same > thing all the time, but we don't. > -- > > Father Brown's figure remained quite dark and still; > but in that instant he had lost his head. His head was > always most valuable when he had lost it.
On Tue, 12 Oct 2021 01:39:14 -0000 (UTC), Cydrome Leader
<presence@MUNGEpanix.com> wrote:

>jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote: >> >> >> The possibly true legend is that these were found in a cave and carbon >> dated back 1500 years and were still viable. > >Isn't carbon dating up there with lie detector tests and dowsing for >water?
I think it works pretty well. Not 1%, but a good estimate of the age of organics. -- If a man will begin with certainties, he shall end with doubts, but if he will be content to begin with doubts he shall end in certainties. Francis Bacon
Anthony William Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote:
> On Tuesday, October 12, 2021 at 12:39:16 PM UTC+11, Cydrome Leader wrote: >> jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote: >> > >> > >> > The possibly true legend is that these were found in a cave and carbon >> > dated back 1500 years and were still viable. >> >> Isn't carbon dating up there with lie detector tests and dowsing for water? > > Not really. The rate at which C-14 gets into the atmosphere (from cosmic rates hitting N-14 and transmuting it into C-14) is a bit erratic, but we now know how to correct for that - and have done for quite a while, since about 1967. > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radiocarbon_dating
that article just reinforces the nonsense that carbon dating is.