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It is not an experiment......Apparently blowing out kids hearts was the desired outcome all along

Started by Brent Locher October 9, 2021
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/finland-pauses-use-moderna-covid-19-vaccine-young-men-2021-10-07/

So I have a question for all our resident men of science who insist this has never been an experiment.... Why did you want childrens hearts to blow out if you knew ahead of time how the moderna vaccine would affect young people?

But....all our men of science have proclaimed that the "vaccines" are not experiments.  Sorry boys and girls ....this is pure experimentation.

Again....If you cannot predict the outcome then it is an experiment.  Do you really think the outcomes about the Moderna vax were known before hand?  The obvious answer is No, hence we are using children as guinea pigs.
On Sunday, October 10, 2021 at 11:32:33 AM UTC+11, blo...@columbus.rr.com wrote:
> https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/finland-pauses-use-moderna-covid-19-vaccine-young-men-2021-10-07/ > > So I have a question for all our resident men of science who insist this has never been an experiment.... Why did you want childrens hearts to blow out if you knew ahead of time how the moderna vaccine would affect young people? > > But....all our men of science have proclaimed that the "vaccines" are not experiments. Sorry boys and girls ....this is pure experimentation. > > Again....If you cannot predict the outcome then it is an experiment. Do you really think the outcomes about the Moderna vax were known before hand? The obvious answer is No, hence we are using children as guinea pigs.
The risk of myocarditis from mRNA vaccines is - small around 5 per 100,000 - which means that it was unlikely to show up in clinical trials. The risk of myocarditis as a side effect of a Covid-19 infection is quite a bit higher. It is a bigger risk than that of getting blood clots from the Oxford-Astrazeneca vaccine, but it is even less likely to kill you. The problem - such as it is - is usually treatable, so you aren't aiming to "blow out children's hearts" if you give them an mRNA vaccine.It's just a minor risk that it is worth taking on to avoid the bigger risk of catching Covid-19 and exposing yourself to the damage that that is much more likely to inflict. Brent Locher can't think clearly enough to understand the science at all, and gets into a tizzy when he tries. -- Bill Sloman, Sydney
On Saturday, October 9, 2021 at 9:33:19 PM UTC-4, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
> On Sunday, October 10, 2021 at 11:32:33 AM UTC+11, blo...@columbus.rr.com wrote: > > https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/finland-pauses-use-moderna-covid-19-vaccine-young-men-2021-10-07/ > > > > So I have a question for all our resident men of science who insist this has never been an experiment.... Why did you want childrens hearts to blow out if you knew ahead of time how the moderna vaccine would affect young people? > > > > But....all our men of science have proclaimed that the "vaccines" are not experiments. Sorry boys and girls ....this is pure experimentation. > > > > Again....If you cannot predict the outcome then it is an experiment. Do you really think the outcomes about the Moderna vax were known before hand? The obvious answer is No, hence we are using children as guinea pigs. > The risk of myocarditis from mRNA vaccines is - small around 5 per 100,000 - which means that it was unlikely to show up in clinical trials. The risk of myocarditis as a side effect of a Covid-19 infection is quite a bit higher. It is a bigger risk than that of getting blood clots from the Oxford-Astrazeneca vaccine, but it is even less likely to kill you. > > The problem - such as it is - is usually treatable, so you aren't aiming to "blow out children's hearts" if you give them an mRNA vaccine.It's just a minor risk that it is worth taking on to avoid the bigger risk of catching Covid-19 and exposing yourself to the damage that that is much more likely to inflict. > > Brent Locher can't think clearly enough to understand the science at all, and gets into a tizzy when he tries.
Only Bill would respond to such a troll post. Blo made a post that is in ignorance of the facts in the link he provided, hugely exaggerating the impact and extent of the issue, drawing a conclusion that is totally unfounded. The guy is somehow obsessed with finding information that discredits the vaccines even if the information must be twisted to do so. His posts are not worthy of a response and doing so only encourages him to post further. Maybe I should treat Bill's responses to also be troll posts even if they are not irrational in terms of the facts he discusses. There is certainly no reason to think they will have any impact on Blo. -- Rick C. - Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging - Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209
gnuarm.del...@gmail.com wrote:
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> > > > > > Brent Locher can't think clearly enough to understand the science at all, > > and gets into a tizzy when he tries. >> > Only Bill would respond to such a troll post.
** That is not so, troll posts get more than half the responses here.
> Blo made a post that is in ignorance of the facts in the link he provided, > hugely exaggerating the impact and extent of the issue, > drawing a conclusion that is totally unfounded.
** As Bill pointed out - but never says where his assertions come from. We know he Googles them all, but it would be cool to link a few.
> The guy is somehow obsessed with finding information that discredits the vaccines > even if the information must be twisted to do so. His posts are not worthy of a response > and doing so only encourages him to post further. >
** Obsessed trolls have oodles of energy and spare time available to waste yours.
> Maybe I should treat Bill's responses to also be troll posts even if they are not > irrational in terms of the facts he discusses. > There is certainly no reason to think they will have any impact on Blo.
** Only several a heavy blows would have any impact on Blo. ..... Phil
On a sunny day (Sat, 9 Oct 2021 17:32:29 -0700 (PDT)) it happened Brent Locher
<blocher@columbus.rr.com> wrote in
<b72bd548-1b4c-4d6f-ab8c-dc98db760c26n@googlegroups.com>:

>https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/finland-pauses-use-moderna-covid-19-vaccine-young-men-2021-10-07/ > >So I have a question for all our resident men of science who insist this has never been an experiment.... Why did you want >childrens hearts to blow out if you knew ahead of time how the moderna vaccine would affect young people? > >But....all our men of science have proclaimed that the "vaccines" are not experiments. Sorry boys and girls ....this is pure >experimentation. > >Again....If you cannot predict the outcome then it is an experiment. Do you really think the outcomes about the Moderna vax >were known before hand? The obvious answer is No, hence we are using children as guinea pigs.
The whole thing is mass hysteria, politicians wanting not to be blamed and show they have done 'something' to stop covid. It is not scientific at all. And the profit factor, lobbying of the Farmaceutical Industrial Complex, panic, fear has also always been a great way to steer the masses. lemmings: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lemming <quote> migration boom causes suicide like effects: quote They can swim and may choose to cross a body of water in search of a new habitat. In such cases, many drown if the chosen body of water happens to be an ocean, or is in any case so wide as to exceed their physical capabilities. Thus, the unexplained fluctuations in the population of Norwegian lemmings, and perhaps a small amount of semantic confusion (suicide not being limited to voluntary deliberation, but also the result of foolishness), <end quote> So foolishness, mass hysteria, and finally a strong reduction of the species (after the WW3 nuking) and possibly the long time effects of the jabbing. People , at least part of the species, will need to be jabbed more and more frequently and freedoms will be limited to those who have the OK flag set in their implanted chip that is read at every lamp-post Non-compliance will be punished by the kill flag set by the computers programmed by google? or facesbook? alias deep sunken state better stop here Cuba is probably nice but Qantanamo not so sure about that The real bad part is perhaps that this way the real persons with antibodies are removed and a species of addicts is created. In a WW3 situation apart from all the other damage no jabs are manufactured and most of the new species then dies. goto lemmings here we gonna loop the loop! /
On Sunday, October 10, 2021 at 3:56:38 AM UTC-4, Jan Panteltje wrote:
> On a sunny day (Sat, 9 Oct 2021 17:32:29 -0700 (PDT)) it happened Brent Locher > <blo...@columbus.rr.com> wrote in > <b72bd548-1b4c-4d6f...@googlegroups.com>: > >https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/finland-pauses-use-moderna-covid-19-vaccine-young-men-2021-10-07/ > > > >So I have a question for all our resident men of science who insist this has never been an experiment.... Why did you want > >childrens hearts to blow out if you knew ahead of time how the moderna vaccine would affect young people? > > > >But....all our men of science have proclaimed that the "vaccines" are not experiments. Sorry boys and girls ....this is pure > >experimentation. > > > >Again....If you cannot predict the outcome then it is an experiment. Do you really think the outcomes about the Moderna vax > >were known before hand? The obvious answer is No, hence we are using children as guinea pigs. > The whole thing is mass hysteria, politicians > wanting not to be blamed and show they have done 'something' to stop covid. > It is not scientific at all. > And the profit factor, lobbying of the Farmaceutical Industrial Complex, panic, fear has also always been > a great way to steer the masses. > > lemmings: > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lemming > <quote> > migration boom causes suicide like effects: > quote They can swim and may choose to cross a body of water in search of a new habitat. > In such cases, many drown if the chosen body of water happens to be an ocean, > or is in any case so wide as to exceed their physical capabilities. > Thus, the unexplained fluctuations in the population of Norwegian lemmings, > and perhaps a small amount of semantic confusion (suicide not being limited to voluntary deliberation, but also the result of foolishness), > <end quote> > > So foolishness, mass hysteria, and finally a strong reduction of the species (after the WW3 nuking) and possibly the long time effects of > the jabbing. > People , at least part of the species, will need to be jabbed more and more frequently and freedoms will be limited > to those who have the OK flag set in their implanted chip that is read at every lamp-post > Non-compliance will be punished by the kill flag set by the computers programmed by google? or facesbook? alias deep sunken state > > better stop here Cuba is probably nice but Qantanamo not so sure about that > > The real bad part is perhaps that this way the real persons with antibodies are removed and a species of addicts is created. > In a WW3 situation apart from all the other damage no jabs are manufactured and most of the new species then dies. > goto lemmings > > here we gonna loop the loop! > > /
How can someone this delusional function in a normal society? -- Rick C. - Get 1,000 miles of free Supercharging - Tesla referral code - https://ts.la/richard11209
On Sunday, October 10, 2021 at 7:04:37 PM UTC+11, gnuarm.del...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Sunday, October 10, 2021 at 3:56:38 AM UTC-4, Jan Panteltje wrote: > > On a sunny day (Sat, 9 Oct 2021 17:32:29 -0700 (PDT)) it happened Brent Locher > > <blo...@columbus.rr.com> wrote in <b72bd548-1b4c-4d6f...@googlegroups.com>:
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> > So foolishness, mass hysteria, and finally a strong reduction of the species (after the WW3 nuking) and possibly the long time effects of > > the jabbing. > > People , at least part of the species, will need to be jabbed more and more frequently and freedoms will be limited > > to those who have the OK flag set in their implanted chip that is read at every lamp-post > > Non-compliance will be punished by the kill flag set by the computers programmed by google? or facesbook? alias deep sunken state > > > > better stop here Cuba is probably nice but Qantanamo not so sure about that > > > > The real bad part is perhaps that this way the real persons with antibodies are removed and a species of addicts is created. > > In a WW3 situation apart from all the other damage no jabs are manufactured and most of the new species then dies. > > goto lemmings > > > > here we gonna loop the loop! > > > > / > How can someone this delusional function in a normal society?
Jan functions in the Netherlands, which is rather more civilised than the US, because it has been urbanised and cultured for rather longer. He's a tribute to Dutch care in the community, which skates around his defects and keeps him functioning. I felt perfectly at home there - though it was rather more comfortable when my Dutch got good enough that people stopped talking to me in English. We didn't talk to our Dutch cleaning lady in English, but she talked to our Australian house guests in perfectly understandable English. It's an interesting place. -- Bill Sloman, Sydney
On 10/10/2021 02:33, Anthony William Sloman wrote:
> On Sunday, October 10, 2021 at 11:32:33 AM UTC+11, > blo...@columbus.rr.com wrote: >> https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/finland-pauses-use-moderna-covid-19-vaccine-young-men-2021-10-07/ >> >> >>
So I have a question for all our resident men of science who insist this has never been an experiment.... Why did you want childrens hearts to blow out if you knew ahead of time how the moderna vaccine would affect young people?
>> >> But....all our men of science have proclaimed that the "vaccines" >> are not experiments. Sorry boys and girls ....this is pure >> experimentation. >> >> Again....If you cannot predict the outcome then it is an >> experiment. Do you really think the outcomes about the Moderna vax >> were known before hand? The obvious answer is No, hence we are >> using children as guinea pigs. > > The risk of myocarditis from mRNA vaccines is - small around 5 per > 100,000 - which means that it was unlikely to show up in clinical > trials. The risk of myocarditis as a side effect of a Covid-19 > infection is quite a bit higher. It is a bigger risk than that of > getting blood clots from the Oxford-Astrazeneca vaccine, but it is > even less likely to kill you.
Much bigger risk and Covid has recently killed a perfectly fit athletic girl in the UK who was just plain unlucky by causing heart failure. Ironically on the day that she was due to have been vaccinated but couldn't attend since she was in hospital with a fatal Covid infection. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-hampshire-58772671 Such cases are rare but they are not negligible. It gets a bit trickier for vaccinating the under 13's since there is no tangible benefit to them - the vaccine and the real Covid infection pose about the same risk. For those 15+ the vaccine is about 3x safer than catching Covid. JCVI in the UK decided on this but politicians decided to go for 12+ for wider social reasons. I don't especially like that decision. YMMV
> The problem - such as it is - is usually treatable, so you aren't > aiming to "blow out children's hearts" if you give them an mRNA > vaccine.It's just a minor risk that it is worth taking on to avoid > the bigger risk of catching Covid-19 and exposing yourself to the > damage that that is much more likely to inflict.
The small numbers who suffer adverse side effects can be relatively easily treated for it. The damage that Covid can do to multiple organs is significant and in some unfortunate cases like my friend lasting. It may even be permanent - they are still nothing remotely like fit again nearly 18 months on.
> Brent Locher can't think clearly enough to understand the science at > all, and gets into a tizzy when he tries.
He is a delusional nutter. Unfortunately there are a lot of them about - especially in the USA where superstition and a medieval mindset is rife. -- Regards, Martin Brown
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> > > The risk of myocarditis from mRNA vaccines is - small around 5 per > > 100,000 - which means that it was unlikely to show up in clinical > > trials. The risk of myocarditis as a side effect of a Covid-19 > > infection is quite a bit higher. It is a bigger risk than that of > > getting blood clots from the Oxford-Astrazeneca vaccine, but it is > > even less likely to kill you. > > Much bigger risk and Covid has recently killed a perfectly fit athletic > girl in the UK who was just plain unlucky by causing heart failure.
** So obviously vulnerable to viruses and not "perfect". Teens drop dead on the sports field from time to time with no virus.
> Ironically on the day that she was due to have been vaccinated but > couldn't attend since she was in hospital with a fatal Covid infection.
** Wot utter crap.
> Such cases are rare but they are not negligible.
** Opinion, not fact.
> It gets a bit trickier > for vaccinating the under 13's since there is no tangible benefit to > them ...
** But a huge one the others you goose.
> JCVI in the UK decided on this but politicians decided to go for 12+ for > wider social reasons.
** Really - like not killing their parents, grand parents, uncles, aunties. and nest door neighbors ?
> The small numbers who suffer adverse side effects can be relatively > easily treated for it. The damage that Covid can do to multiple organs > is significant and in some unfortunate cases like my friend lasting. It > may even be permanent - they are still nothing remotely like fit again > nearly 18 months on.
** War is hell, innocent folk die - so it is in a viral pandemic. Get real. ..... Phil
On Saturday, October 9, 2021 at 8:32:33 PM UTC-4, blo...@columbus.rr.com wrote:
> https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/finland-pauses-use-moderna-covid-19-vaccine-young-men-2021-10-07/ > > So I have a question for all our resident men of science who insist this has never been an experiment.... Why did you want childrens hearts to blow out if you knew ahead of time how the moderna vaccine would affect young people? > > But....all our men of science have proclaimed that the "vaccines" are not experiments. Sorry boys and girls ....this is pure experimentation. > > Again....If you cannot predict the outcome then it is an experiment. Do you really think the outcomes about the Moderna vax were known before hand? The obvious answer is No, hence we are using children as guinea pigs.
Don't dictate to us the meaning of experiment: a scientific procedure undertaken to make a discovery, test a hypothesis, or demonstrate a known fact. The association between myocarditis, in its various forms, and vaccination has been well known for many years. Even the influenza vaccine causes it in a very small subset of the population. Supposedly the smallpox vaccine results in the highest incidence, and it affects mostly older >50yo's. The bottom line is the incidence thus far associated with mRNA vaccines is no worse than that resulting from nearly all vaccines. The risk for this kind of reaction is assessed along with many other side effects during the trials. The trials are sized so that a finding of zero incidence of myocarditis among the participants allows the inference of a ppm level of incidence in the general population, which is considered acceptable. This planning and experimental design of the trials has worked out excellently well for the mRNA vaccines, especially in consideration of the fact that the very few cases that do occur are very mild and resolve in a matter of days. There's risk associated with nearly all medical interventions, there's no getting away from it. The big question is how big or small the risk. I bet you didn't know that some antibiotics are well known to cause rapid and fatal liver failure. This is well known, but as long as the incidence is in the range of 10ppm, the regulatory authorities deem the use of these antibiotics as essentially safe. The best thing you can do for yourself is to stop reading medical news that is over your head. There's so much you don't know, all you do is upset yourself over nothing. Leave the decision making and interpretation of results up to the various experts in their field. They are much smarter and know so much more than you do, they can develop a rational understanding without resorting to hysterical hyperbole about peoples' "hearts being blown out" ( which is not happening btw). Going against my own advice for you, links to lucid background information on the subject. https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/myocarditis.html https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2782900 https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33422381/ https://towardsdatascience.com/five-confidence-intervals-for-proportions-that-you-should-know-about-7ff5484c024f