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OT: The TRUTH about the covid jabs

Started by Jan Panteltje October 5, 2021
            The TRUTH about the covid jabs
 https://www.rt.com/usa/536666-project-veritas-pfizer-covid19-vaccine/

quotes form that link:

An undercover Project Veritas video allegedly showing Pfizer scientists talking about the company running on "Covid money"
and the benefits of natural immunity has sparked another heated debate on coronavirus vaccines in the US.


In the latest investigative video from Veritas, one scientist identified as Nick Karl says 
"natural immunity" to the virus is "probably better" than any vaccination.


At another point, Croce discusses his company's reliance on the coronavirus pandemic to profit. 
"Our organization is run on Covid money, he says, referring to it as an "evil corporation." 

  
On Tuesday, October 5, 2021 at 2:17:13 PM UTC-4, Jan Panteltje wrote:
> The TRUTH about the covid jabs > https://www.rt.com/usa/536666-project-veritas-pfizer-covid19-vaccine/ > > quotes form that link: > > An undercover Project Veritas video allegedly showing Pfizer scientists talking about the company running on "Covid money" > and the benefits of natural immunity has sparked another heated debate on coronavirus vaccines in the US. > > > In the latest investigative video from Veritas, one scientist identified as Nick Karl says > "natural immunity" to the virus is "probably better" than any vaccination. > > > At another point, Croce discusses his company's reliance on the coronavirus pandemic to profit. > "Our organization is run on Covid money, he says, referring to it as an "evil corporation."
Everything produced by Project Veritas is fake. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Veritas
 On a sunny day (Tue, 5 Oct 2021 11:28:46 -0700 (PDT)) it happened Fred Bloggs
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>On Tuesday, October 5, 2021 at 2:17:13 PM UTC-4, Jan Panteltje wrote: >> The TRUTH about the covid jabs >> https://www.rt.com/usa/536666-project-veritas-pfizer-covid19-vaccine/ >> >> quotes form that link: >> >> An undercover Project Veritas video allegedly showing Pfizer scientists talking about the company running on "Covid money" >> and the benefits of natural immunity has sparked another heated debate on coronavirus vaccines in the US. >> >> >> In the latest investigative video from Veritas, one scientist identified as Nick Karl says >> "natural immunity" to the virus is "probably better" than any vaccination. >> >> >> At another point, Croce discusses his company's reliance on the coronavirus pandemic to profit. >> "Our organization is run on Covid money, he says, referring to it as an "evil corporation." > >Everything produced by Project Veritas is fake. >https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Veritas
So they are just as reliable as president Bye-then and CIA and US government and US government / ByeThen controlled media! Good to know.
On Wednesday, October 6, 2021 at 5:51:38 PM UTC+11, Jan Panteltje wrote:
> On a sunny day (Tue, 5 Oct 2021 11:28:46 -0700 (PDT)) it happened Fred Bloggs > <bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote in > <7353f214-1bf0-476f...@googlegroups.com>: > >On Tuesday, October 5, 2021 at 2:17:13 PM UTC-4, Jan Panteltje wrote: > >> The TRUTH about the covid jabs > >> https://www.rt.com/usa/536666-project-veritas-pfizer-covid19-vaccine/ > >> > >> quotes form that link: > >> > >> An undercover Project Veritas video allegedly showing Pfizer scientists talking about the company running on "Covid money" > >> and the benefits of natural immunity has sparked another heated debate on coronavirus vaccines in the US. > >> > >> > >> In the latest investigative video from Veritas, one scientist identified as Nick Karl says > >> "natural immunity" to the virus is "probably better" than any vaccination. > >> > >> > >> At another point, Croce discusses his company's reliance on the coronavirus pandemic to profit. > >> "Our organization is run on Covid money, he says, referring to it as an "evil corporation." > > > >Everything produced by Project Veritas is fake. > >https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Veritas > > So they are just as reliable as president Bye-then and CIA and US government > and US government / ByeThen controlled media!
Rather less reliable. The idea that Joe Biden controls the US media is particularly silly.
> Good to know.
You don't "know". You have chosen to believe, it which isn't quite the same thing as "knowing". Cursitor Doom, John Doe, Flyguy and John Larkin all choose to believe the news sources that tell them what they want to know, and reject more reliable reporters that peeve them by presenting unpalatable facts. You do seem to be one more of our resident bunch of gullible twits. -- Bill Sloman, Sydney
On a sunny day (Wed, 6 Oct 2021 06:20:00 -0700 (PDT)) it happened Anthony
William Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org> wrote in
<5ce09e16-ada2-455e-a2ab-e073189fe7afn@googlegroups.com>:

>On Wednesday, October 6, 2021 at 5:51:38 PM UTC+11, Jan Panteltje wrote: >> On a sunny day (Tue, 5 Oct 2021 11:28:46 -0700 (PDT)) it happened Fred Bloggs >> ><bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote in >> <7353f214-1bf0-476f...@googlegroups.com>: >> >On Tuesday, October 5, 2021 at 2:17:13 PM UTC-4, Jan Panteltje wrote: >> >> The TRUTH about the covid jabs >> >> https://www.rt.com/usa/536666-project-veritas-pfizer-covid19-vaccine/ >> >>> >> >> quotes form that link: >> >> >> >> An undercover Project Veritas video allegedly showing Pfizer scientists >talking about the company running on "Covid money" >> >> and the benefits of natural immunity has sparked another heated debate >on coronavirus vaccines in the US. >> >> >> >> >> >> In the latest investigative video from Veritas, one scientist identified >as Nick Karl says >> >> "natural immunity" to the virus is "probably better" than any vaccination. >> >>> >> >> >> >> At another point, Croce discusses his company's reliance on the coronavirus >pandemic to profit. >> >> "Our organization is run on Covid money, he says, referring to it as an >"evil corporation." >> > >> >Everything produced by Project Veritas is fake. >> >https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Veritas >> >> So they are just as reliable as president Bye-then and CIA and US government >> >and US government / ByeThen controlled media! > >Rather less reliable. The idea that Joe Biden controls the US media is particularly >silly. > >> Good to know. > >You don't "know". You have chosen to believe, it which isn't quite the same >thing as "knowing". > >Cursitor Doom, John Doe, Flyguy and John Larkin all choose to believe the news >sources that tell them what they want to know, and reject more reliable >reporters that peeve them by presenting unpalatable facts. You do seem to be >one more of our resident bunch of gullible twits.
You know, Billy, after living in the Netherlands, that little babies are delivered by storks. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_stork from that link: "... storks deliver babies to their mothers instead of mothers giving birth." But as you may have read in your reliable media US has spotted many flying saucers.. and in special cases those storks deliver aliens to the mothers. As you may have discovered (or not) I could well be one of those. And I did edit some wikipedia article. AND YOU BELIEVE THAT????
On 10/5/2021 1:13 PM, Jan Panteltje wrote:
> "natural immunity" to the virus is "probably better" than any vaccination.
&#2013266080;Most likely true, but do you want to be one of those that dies from Covid hoping to get "natural immunity"? 66 yrs old and waiting for the Moderna booster to be recommended. &#2013266080;&#2013266080;&#2013266080;&#2013266080;&#2013266080;&#2013266080;&#2013266080;&#2013266080;&#2013266080;&#2013266080;&#2013266080;&#2013266080;&#2013266080;&#2013266080;&#2013266080;&#2013266080;&#2013266080;&#2013266080;&#2013266080;&#2013266080;&#2013266080;&#2013266080;&#2013266080;&#2013266080;&#2013266080;&#2013266080;&#2013266080;&#2013266080;&#2013266080;&#2013266080;&#2013266080;&#2013266080;&#2013266080;&#2013266080;&#2013266080;&#2013266080;&#2013266080;&#2013266080;&#2013266080;&#2013266080;&#2013266080;&#2013266080;&#2013266080;&#2013266080;&#2013266080;&#2013266080; Mikek -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus
On 7/10/21 7:04 am, amdx wrote:
> On 10/5/2021 1:13 PM, Jan Panteltje wrote: >> "natural immunity" to the virus is "probably better" than any >> vaccination. > &#2013266080;Most likely true, but do you want to be one of those that dies from > Covid hoping to get "natural immunity"?
Jan is likely wrong in any case. It's just not true that immunity resulting from infection is stronger than from the jab. You become immune (to differing degrees) to many proteins made by the virus, but more commonly have little immunity to the spike protein that enabled it to attack. The jab gives your body the spike protein without all the distraction, preventing infection, instead of managing the ramifications.
On 10/6/2021 6:01 PM, Clifford Heath wrote:
> On 7/10/21 7:04 am, amdx wrote: >> On 10/5/2021 1:13 PM, Jan Panteltje wrote: >>> "natural immunity" to the virus is "probably better" than any >>> vaccination. >> &#2013266080;&#2013266080;Most likely true, but do you want to be one of those that dies from >> Covid hoping to get "natural immunity"? > > Jan is likely wrong in any case. It's just not true that immunity > resulting from infection is stronger than from the jab. You become > immune (to differing degrees) to many proteins made by the virus, but > more commonly have little immunity to the spike protein that enabled > it to attack. The jab gives your body the spike protein without all > the distraction, preventing infection, instead of managing the > ramifications.
> https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.24.21262415v1
Quote: *Results* SARS-CoV-2-na&#2013265935;ve vaccinees had a 13.06-fold (95% CI, 8.08 to 21.11) increased risk for breakthrough infection with the Delta variant compared to those previously infected, when the first event (infection or vaccination) occurred during January and February of 2021. The increased risk was significant (/P/<0.001) for symptomatic disease as well. When allowing the infection to occur at any time before vaccination (from March 2020 to February 2021), evidence of waning natural immunity was demonstrated, though SARS-CoV-2 na&#2013265935;ve vaccinees had a 5.96-fold (95% CI, 4.85 to 7.33) increased risk for breakthrough infection and a 7.13-fold (95% CI, 5.51 to 9.21) increased risk for symptomatic disease. SARS-CoV-2-na&#2013265935;ve vaccinees were also at a greater risk for COVID-19-related-hospitalizations compared to those that were previously infected. *Conclusions* This study demonstrated that natural immunity confers longer lasting and stronger protection against infection, symptomatic disease and hospitalization caused by the Delta variant of SARS-CoV-2, compared to the BNT162b2 two-dose vaccine-induced immunity. Individuals who were both previously infected with SARS-CoV-2 and given a single dose of the vaccine gained additional protection against the Delta variant. Here's a paper with a couple of studys saying 6 to 13 times less breakthrough for the natural immunity vs vaccinated. &#2013266080;and another that said 27 times.
> https://www.science.org/content/article/having-sars-cov-2-once-confers-much-greater-immunity-vaccine-vaccination-remains-vital
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On 06-Oct-21 5:13 am, Jan Panteltje wrote:
> > In the latest investigative video from Veritas, one scientist identified as Nick Karl says > "natural immunity" to the virus is "probably better" than any vaccination.
That could easily be true, but to get natural immunity, you first have to avoid dying from the infection. I've taken my chances with the unnatural jab immunity instead. Sylvia.
On Thursday, October 7, 2021 at 3:33:20 AM UTC+11, Jan Panteltje wrote:
> On a sunny day (Wed, 6 Oct 2021 06:20:00 -0700 (PDT)) it happened Anthony > William Sloman <bill....@ieee.org> wrote in > <5ce09e16-ada2-455e...@googlegroups.com>: > >On Wednesday, October 6, 2021 at 5:51:38 PM UTC+11, Jan Panteltje wrote: > >> On a sunny day (Tue, 5 Oct 2021 11:28:46 -0700 (PDT)) it happened Fred Bloggs > >> > ><bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote in > >> <7353f214-1bf0-476f...@googlegroups.com>: > >> >On Tuesday, October 5, 2021 at 2:17:13 PM UTC-4, Jan Panteltje wrote: > >> >> The TRUTH about the covid jabs > >> >> https://www.rt.com/usa/536666-project-veritas-pfizer-covid19-vaccine/ > >> > >>> > >> >> quotes form that link: > >> >> > >> >> An undercover Project Veritas video allegedly showing Pfizer scientists > >talking about the company running on "Covid money" > >> >> and the benefits of natural immunity has sparked another heated debate > >on coronavirus vaccines in the US. > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> In the latest investigative video from Veritas, one scientist identified > >as Nick Karl says > >> >> "natural immunity" to the virus is "probably better" than any vaccination. > >> > >>> > >> >> > >> >> At another point, Croce discusses his company's reliance on the coronavirus > >pandemic to profit. > >> >> "Our organization is run on Covid money, he says, referring to it as an > >"evil corporation." > >> > > >> >Everything produced by Project Veritas is fake. > >> >https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Veritas > >> > >> So they are just as reliable as president Bye-then and CIA and US government > >> > >and US government / ByeThen controlled media! > > > >Rather less reliable. The idea that Joe Biden controls the US media is particularly > >silly. > > > >> Good to know. > > > >You don't "know". You have chosen to believe, it which isn't quite the same > >thing as "knowing". > > > >Cursitor Doom, John Doe, Flyguy and John Larkin all choose to believe the news > >sources that tell them what they want to know, and reject more reliable > >reporters that peeve them by presenting unpalatable facts. You do seem to be > >one more of our resident bunch of gullible twits. > > You know, Billy, after living in the Netherlands, that little babies are delivered by storks. > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_stork > from that link: > "... storks deliver babies to their mothers instead of mothers giving birth."
I'm sure that this was what your parents told you as a child. Even as a child I was aware that this was a myth. It's not only the Dutch who mislead children with this story - I used to think that it was primarily an American delusion.
> But as you may have read in your reliable media US has spotted many flying saucers..
It's one more of those stories that the less reliable branches of the media sell to gullible twits.
> and in special cases those storks deliver aliens to the mothers. > As you may have discovered (or not) I could well be one of those.
It's not impossible, but it is very unlikely - you look like a regular human gullible twit.
> And I did edit some wikipedia article. > AND YOU BELIEVE THAT????
Cursitor Doom claims to have edited a wikipedia article. Long ago I found one that struck me as needing correction, and I did propose an edit. but It didn't stick. -- Bill Sloman, Sydney