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Ford to build electric vehicle battery plants in Kentucky, creating 5,000 new jobs

Started by Fred Bloggs September 29, 2021
This and a second assembly plant in Tennessee are a huge investment. Looks like most of the money is coming from SK Innovation, a South Korean giant that supplies EV batteries for a multitude of automotive manufacturers.

https://www.reuters.com/technology/sk-innovation-invest-43-bln-us-battery-production-with-ford-motor-2021-09-27/

https://www.wkyt.com/2021/09/27/ford-build-electric-vehicle-battery-plants-ky-creating-5000-new-jobs/

This should put an end to the absurdly overpriced EV market.
On Wednesday, September 29, 2021 at 9:23:21 AM UTC-7, Fred Bloggs wrote:
> This and a second assembly plant in Tennessee are a huge investment. Looks like most of the money is coming from SK Innovation, a South Korean giant that supplies EV batteries for a multitude of automotive manufacturers. > > https://www.reuters.com/technology/sk-innovation-invest-43-bln-us-battery-production-with-ford-motor-2021-09-27/ > > https://www.wkyt.com/2021/09/27/ford-build-electric-vehicle-battery-plants-ky-creating-5000-new-jobs/ > > This should put an end to the absurdly overpriced EV market.
How? Why would this be any cheaper than other Panasonic, LG or Samsung plants?
On Wednesday, September 29, 2021 at 12:41:24 PM UTC-4, Ed Lee wrote:
> On Wednesday, September 29, 2021 at 9:23:21 AM UTC-7, Fred Bloggs wrote: > > This and a second assembly plant in Tennessee are a huge investment. Looks like most of the money is coming from SK Innovation, a South Korean giant that supplies EV batteries for a multitude of automotive manufacturers. > > > > https://www.reuters.com/technology/sk-innovation-invest-43-bln-us-battery-production-with-ford-motor-2021-09-27/ > > > > https://www.wkyt.com/2021/09/27/ford-build-electric-vehicle-battery-plants-ky-creating-5000-new-jobs/ > > > > This should put an end to the absurdly overpriced EV market. > How? Why would this be any cheaper than other Panasonic, LG or Samsung plants?
The batteries may not be, but the vehicles they go into should be. And LG is going to have problems staying viable after creating multi-billion liabilities for itself all over the place.
On Thursday, September 30, 2021 at 2:41:24 AM UTC+10, Ed Lee wrote:
> On Wednesday, September 29, 2021 at 9:23:21 AM UTC-7, Fred Bloggs wrote: > > This and a second assembly plant in Tennessee are a huge investment. Looks like most of the money is coming from SK Innovation, a South Korean giant that supplies EV batteries for a multitude of automotive manufacturers. > > > > https://www.reuters.com/technology/sk-innovation-invest-43-bln-us-battery-production-with-ford-motor-2021-09-27/ > > > > https://www.wkyt.com/2021/09/27/ford-build-electric-vehicle-battery-plants-ky-creating-5000-new-jobs/ > > > > This should put an end to the absurdly overpriced EV market. > > How? Why would this be any cheaper than other Panasonic, LG or Samsung plants?
It could well be bigger. The US market is large. There's a rule of thumb in manufacturing that says that if you tool up to produce ten times the volume. you can probably expect to halve the unit price. Australia stopped making it;s it's own cars when it realised that nobody was going to build more that 20,000 cars per year in Australia and the cars that were being imported were being made in 200,000 car-per-year plants. -- Bill Sloman, Sydney
Fred Bloggs <bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote in
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> On Wednesday, September 29, 2021 at 12:41:24 PM UTC-4, Ed Lee > wrote: >> On Wednesday, September 29, 2021 at 9:23:21 AM UTC-7, Fred Bloggs >> wrote: >> > This and a second assembly plant in Tennessee are a huge >> > investment. Looks like most of the money is coming from SK >> > Innovation, a South Korean giant that supplies EV batteries for >> > a multitude of automotive manufacturers. >> > >> > https://www.reuters.com/technology/sk-innovation-invest-43-bln-u >> > s-battery-production-with-ford-motor-2021-09-27/ >> > >> > https://www.wkyt.com/2021/09/27/ford-build-electric-vehicle-batt >> > ery-plants-ky-creating-5000-new-jobs/ >> > >> > This should put an end to the absurdly overpriced EV market. >> How? Why would this be any cheaper than other Panasonic, LG or >> Samsung plants? > > The batteries may not be, but the vehicles they go into should be. > And LG is going to have problems staying viable after creating > multi-billion liabilities for itself all over the place. >
They killed their phone segment last year too.
On Wednesday, September 29, 2021 at 12:23:21 PM UTC-4, Fred Bloggs wrote:
> This and a second assembly plant in Tennessee are a huge investment. Looks like most of the money is coming from SK Innovation, a South Korean giant that supplies EV batteries for a multitude of automotive manufacturers. > > https://www.reuters.com/technology/sk-innovation-invest-43-bln-us-battery-production-with-ford-motor-2021-09-27/ > > https://www.wkyt.com/2021/09/27/ford-build-electric-vehicle-battery-plants-ky-creating-5000-new-jobs/ > > This should put an end to the absurdly overpriced EV market.
Did you know that Studebaker built electric cars, when they first entered the automotive market?
Fred Bloggs <bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wednesday, September 29, 2021 at 12:41:24 PM UTC-4, Ed Lee wrote: >> On Wednesday, September 29, 2021 at 9:23:21 AM UTC-7, Fred Bloggs wrote: >> > This and a second assembly plant in Tennessee are a huge investment. Looks like most of the money is coming from SK Innovation, a South Korean giant that supplies EV batteries for a multitude of automotive manufacturers. >> > >> > https://www.reuters.com/technology/sk-innovation-invest-43-bln-us-battery-production-with-ford-motor-2021-09-27/ >> > >> > https://www.wkyt.com/2021/09/27/ford-build-electric-vehicle-battery-plants-ky-creating-5000-new-jobs/ >> > >> > This should put an end to the absurdly overpriced EV market. >> How? Why would this be any cheaper than other Panasonic, LG or Samsung plants? > > The batteries may not be, but the vehicles they go into should be. And LG is going to have problems staying viable after creating multi-billion liabilities for itself all over the place.
I still don't get why EVs still use thousands of those small cylindrical cells. It just seems ridiculous from any perspective. They don't replace individual cells, so what's the point, other than wasting space by packing cylinders into a rectangular shape with thousands of connections. The automotive workd isn't usually into such wasteful practices.
On Friday, October 1, 2021 at 11:04:50 AM UTC-7, Cydrome Leader wrote:
> Fred Bloggs <bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote: > > On Wednesday, September 29, 2021 at 12:41:24 PM UTC-4, Ed Lee wrote: > >> On Wednesday, September 29, 2021 at 9:23:21 AM UTC-7, Fred Bloggs wrote: > >> > This and a second assembly plant in Tennessee are a huge investment. Looks like most of the money is coming from SK Innovation, a South Korean giant that supplies EV batteries for a multitude of automotive manufacturers. > >> > > >> > https://www.reuters.com/technology/sk-innovation-invest-43-bln-us-battery-production-with-ford-motor-2021-09-27/ > >> > > >> > https://www.wkyt.com/2021/09/27/ford-build-electric-vehicle-battery-plants-ky-creating-5000-new-jobs/ > >> > > >> > This should put an end to the absurdly overpriced EV market. > >> How? Why would this be any cheaper than other Panasonic, LG or Samsung plants? > > > > The batteries may not be, but the vehicles they go into should be. And LG is going to have problems staying viable after creating multi-billion liabilities for itself all over the place. > I still don't get why EVs still use thousands of those small cylindrical > cells. It just seems ridiculous from any perspective. They don't replace > individual cells, so what's the point, other than wasting space by packing > cylinders into a rectangular shape with thousands of connections. The > automotive workd isn't usually into such wasteful practices.
Not sure about Ford yet. GM and Nissan use rectangular pouch. Tesla use 46mm cylindrical cells which aren't small.
fredag den 1. oktober 2021 kl. 20.04.50 UTC+2 skrev Cydrome Leader:
> Fred Bloggs <bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote: > > On Wednesday, September 29, 2021 at 12:41:24 PM UTC-4, Ed Lee wrote: > >> On Wednesday, September 29, 2021 at 9:23:21 AM UTC-7, Fred Bloggs wrote: > >> > This and a second assembly plant in Tennessee are a huge investment. Looks like most of the money is coming from SK Innovation, a South Korean giant that supplies EV batteries for a multitude of automotive manufacturers. > >> > > >> > https://www.reuters.com/technology/sk-innovation-invest-43-bln-us-battery-production-with-ford-motor-2021-09-27/ > >> > > >> > https://www.wkyt.com/2021/09/27/ford-build-electric-vehicle-battery-plants-ky-creating-5000-new-jobs/ > >> > > >> > This should put an end to the absurdly overpriced EV market. > >> How? Why would this be any cheaper than other Panasonic, LG or Samsung plants? > > > > The batteries may not be, but the vehicles they go into should be. And LG is going to have problems staying viable after creating multi-billion liabilities for itself all over the place. > I still don't get why EVs still use thousands of those small cylindrical > cells. It just seems ridiculous from any perspective. They don't replace > individual cells, so what's the point, other than wasting space by packing > cylinders into a rectangular shape with thousands of connections. The > automotive workd isn't usually into such wasteful practices.
it's a standard part that is cheaper and faster to make and and they need space for cooling anyway
On Friday, October 1, 2021 at 11:51:57 AM UTC-7, lang...@fonz.dk wrote:
> fredag den 1. oktober 2021 kl. 20.04.50 UTC+2 skrev Cydrome Leader: > > Fred Bloggs <bloggs.fred...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > On Wednesday, September 29, 2021 at 12:41:24 PM UTC-4, Ed Lee wrote: > > >> On Wednesday, September 29, 2021 at 9:23:21 AM UTC-7, Fred Bloggs wrote: > > >> > This and a second assembly plant in Tennessee are a huge investment. Looks like most of the money is coming from SK Innovation, a South Korean giant that supplies EV batteries for a multitude of automotive manufacturers. > > >> > > > >> > https://www.reuters.com/technology/sk-innovation-invest-43-bln-us-battery-production-with-ford-motor-2021-09-27/ > > >> > > > >> > https://www.wkyt.com/2021/09/27/ford-build-electric-vehicle-battery-plants-ky-creating-5000-new-jobs/ > > >> > > > >> > This should put an end to the absurdly overpriced EV market. > > >> How? Why would this be any cheaper than other Panasonic, LG or Samsung plants? > > > > > > The batteries may not be, but the vehicles they go into should be. And LG is going to have problems staying viable after creating multi-billion liabilities for itself all over the place. > > I still don't get why EVs still use thousands of those small cylindrical > > cells. It just seems ridiculous from any perspective. They don't replace > > individual cells, so what's the point, other than wasting space by packing > > cylinders into a rectangular shape with thousands of connections. The > > automotive workd isn't usually into such wasteful practices. > it's a standard part that is cheaper and faster to make and and they need space for cooling anyway
Unfortunately, they are anything but standard. Tesla's 2170 or 4680 are not in anything else other than Tesla. GM & Nissan cells are not interchangeable.