On Friday, September 10, 2021 at 7:22:03 AM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:> On Friday, September 10, 2021 at 4:44:37 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote: > > On Thursday, September 9, 2021 at 9:35:13 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote: > > > On Friday, September 10, 2021 at 2:06:26 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote: > > > > On Thursday, September 9, 2021 at 1:08:09 AM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote: > <snip> > > > > Sloman doesn't understand batteries or electric vehicles much, that is clear. > > > > > > Neither does Flyguy, but Flyguy is much too stupid to appreciate how little he understands. > > > > It is obvious that I understand them a hell of a lot MORE than you do! You have claimed that LIB don't burn, for example, provably false. > Flyguy is confident of the depth and perfection of his own understanding. That's just one of his idiotic delusions.I am confident that I know more than you because what you state as fact is PROVABLY FALSE. People that fervently believe false things can be rightfully called IDIOTS.> > <snip> > > You don't know WHAT you are talking about. You change your story once I show you have your head up your ass. > You do seem to want to think that. You obviously don't understand what I am actually saying, so the problem is that your head is up your own ass.Oh, I don't understand that LIBs can't burn? Which is it: can they burn or can't they, and WHY did you change your story? Perhaps it's because I proved you wrong.> > > > Electric car manufacturers keep battery temperatures down because heat literally destroys the batteries. > > > > > > " Roughly halving the peak temperature inside the battery should make them last longer" > > > expresses much the same sentiment, but Flyguy can't understand this. > > > > Fuck you Sloman - I STATED that very clearly, you idiot! > > But I said it first, so you didn't need to bother.You stated so much bullshit that is wrong.> <snip> > > > More snipping by the idiot who complains that I SNIP! > No, I complain that you text-chop, which I don't.Which I don't, but you DO.> > Flyguy's efforts are pathetic, but he doesn't seem to appreciate quite how obviously pathetic they are. It would be sad, if he wasn't such an unpleasant creep.What is pathetic is someone who believes that turning civilian aircraft into bombers is a GOOD IDEA and that LIBs CAN'T BURN!
Cooling an electric vehicle battery.
Started by ●September 9, 2021
Reply by ●September 11, 20212021-09-11
Reply by ●September 11, 20212021-09-11
On Saturday, September 11, 2021 at 1:11:40 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:> On Friday, September 10, 2021 at 7:22:03 AM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote: > > On Friday, September 10, 2021 at 4:44:37 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote: > > > On Thursday, September 9, 2021 at 9:35:13 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote: > > > > On Friday, September 10, 2021 at 2:06:26 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote: > > > > > On Thursday, September 9, 2021 at 1:08:09 AM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote: > > <snip><snip>> > Flyguy's efforts are pathetic, but he doesn't seem to appreciate quite how obviously pathetic they are. It would be sad, if he wasn't such an unpleasant creep. > > What is pathetic is someone who believes that turning civilian aircraft into bombers is a GOOD IDEA and that LIBs CAN'T BURN!Neither of which is what I actually said, but Flyguy does like to misunderstand what I did post in ways that let him post the lies that he likes. Precisely how much of his idiocy is malicious isn't clear. -- Bill Sloman, Sydney
Reply by ●September 11, 20212021-09-11
On Friday, September 10, 2021 at 8:32:11 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:> On Saturday, September 11, 2021 at 1:11:40 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote: > > On Friday, September 10, 2021 at 7:22:03 AM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote: > > > On Friday, September 10, 2021 at 4:44:37 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote: > > > > On Thursday, September 9, 2021 at 9:35:13 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote: > > > > > On Friday, September 10, 2021 at 2:06:26 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote: > > > > > > On Thursday, September 9, 2021 at 1:08:09 AM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote: > > > <snip> > <snip> > > > Flyguy's efforts are pathetic, but he doesn't seem to appreciate quite how obviously pathetic they are. It would be sad, if he wasn't such an unpleasant creep. > > > > What is pathetic is someone who believes that turning civilian aircraft into bombers is a GOOD IDEA and that LIBs CAN'T BURN! > Neither of which is what I actually said, but Flyguy does like to misunderstand what I did post in ways that let him post the lies that he likes. Precisely how much of his idiocy is malicious isn't clear. > > -- > SL0WMAN, SydneyGo back and reread your posts SL0WMAN - you said it.
Reply by ●September 12, 20212021-09-12
On Sunday, September 12, 2021 at 10:35:06 AM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:> On Friday, September 10, 2021 at 8:32:11 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote: > > On Saturday, September 11, 2021 at 1:11:40 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote: > > > On Friday, September 10, 2021 at 7:22:03 AM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote: > > > > On Friday, September 10, 2021 at 4:44:37 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote: > > > > > On Thursday, September 9, 2021 at 9:35:13 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote: > > > > > > On Friday, September 10, 2021 at 2:06:26 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote: > > > > > > > On Thursday, September 9, 2021 at 1:08:09 AM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote: > > > > <snip> > > <snip> > > > > Flyguy's efforts are pathetic, but he doesn't seem to appreciate quite how obviously pathetic they are. It would be sad, if he wasn't such an unpleasant creep. > > > > > > What is pathetic is someone who believes that turning civilian aircraft into bombers is a GOOD IDEA and that LIBs CAN'T BURN! > > > > Neither of which is what I actually said, but Flyguy does like to misunderstand what I did post in ways that let him post the lies that he likes. Precisely how much of his idiocy is malicious isn't clear. > > Go back and reread your posts Sloman - you said it.That's what your imperfect understanding has lead you to claim I was saying. In fact I suspect that it is closer to malicious misinterpretation. I have spelled out exactly why what I said can't reasonably be described as advocating turning a civilian aircraft into a bomber - for a start the individual cells from a battery that dismantled itself aren't any kind of bomb. Once they are spread apart they can't get all that hot and probably wouldn't even split, let alone burst. But your head is far too far up your backside for any of this to register. -- Bill Sloman, Sydney
Reply by ●September 12, 20212021-09-12
On Saturday, September 11, 2021 at 8:57:45 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:> On Sunday, September 12, 2021 at 10:35:06 AM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote: > > On Friday, September 10, 2021 at 8:32:11 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote: > > > On Saturday, September 11, 2021 at 1:11:40 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote: > > > > On Friday, September 10, 2021 at 7:22:03 AM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote: > > > > > On Friday, September 10, 2021 at 4:44:37 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote: > > > > > > On Thursday, September 9, 2021 at 9:35:13 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote: > > > > > > > On Friday, September 10, 2021 at 2:06:26 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote: > > > > > > > > On Thursday, September 9, 2021 at 1:08:09 AM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote: > > > > > <snip> > > > <snip> > > > > > Flyguy's efforts are pathetic, but he doesn't seem to appreciate quite how obviously pathetic they are. It would be sad, if he wasn't such an unpleasant creep. > > > > > > > > What is pathetic is someone who believes that turning civilian aircraft into bombers is a GOOD IDEA and that LIBs CAN'T BURN! > > > > > > Neither of which is what I actually said, but Flyguy does like to misunderstand what I did post in ways that let him post the lies that he likes. Precisely how much of his idiocy is malicious isn't clear. > > > > Go back and reread your posts Sloman - you said it. > > That's what your imperfect understanding has lead you to claim I was saying. In fact I suspect that it is closer to malicious misinterpretation. I have spelled out exactly why what I said can't reasonably be described as advocating turning a civilian aircraft into a bomber - for a start the individual cells from a battery that dismantled itself aren't any kind of bomb. Once they are spread apart they can't get all that hot and probably wouldn't even split, let alone burst. > > But your head is far too far up your backside for any of this to register. > > -- > SL0WMAN, SydneyHey SL0WMAN, multiple flaming objects intentionally dropped from aircraft starting ground fires, or worse, ARE bombs that authorities will not look kindly on. Just look at the uproar caused by the UNINTENTIONAL dropping of objects from airliners. And it is a clear violation of FARs, about which you don't KNOW SHIT. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/boeing-747-cargo-plane-drops-engine-parts-netherlands-n1258485 https://news.sky.com/story/uk-temporarily-bans-boeing-b777s-with-certain-engine-after-denver-incident-12225832
Reply by ●September 12, 20212021-09-12
On Sunday, September 12, 2021 at 2:09:28 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:> On Saturday, September 11, 2021 at 8:57:45 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote: > > On Sunday, September 12, 2021 at 10:35:06 AM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote: > > > On Friday, September 10, 2021 at 8:32:11 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote: > > > > On Saturday, September 11, 2021 at 1:11:40 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote: > > > > > On Friday, September 10, 2021 at 7:22:03 AM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote: > > > > > > On Friday, September 10, 2021 at 4:44:37 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote: > > > > > > > On Thursday, September 9, 2021 at 9:35:13 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote: > > > > > > > > On Friday, September 10, 2021 at 2:06:26 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Thursday, September 9, 2021 at 1:08:09 AM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote: > > > > > > <snip> > > > > <snip> > > > > > > Flyguy's efforts are pathetic, but he doesn't seem to appreciate quite how obviously pathetic they are. It would be sad, if he wasn't such an unpleasant creep. > > > > > > > > > > What is pathetic is someone who believes that turning civilian aircraft into bombers is a GOOD IDEA and that LIBs CAN'T BURN! > > > > > > > > Neither of which is what I actually said, but Flyguy does like to misunderstand what I did post in ways that let him post the lies that he likes. Precisely how much of his idiocy is malicious isn't clear. > > > > > > Go back and reread your posts Sloman - you said it. > > > > That's what your imperfect understanding has lead you to claim I was saying. In fact I suspect that it is closer to malicious misinterpretation. I have spelled out exactly why what I said can't reasonably be described as advocating turning a civilian aircraft into a bomber - for a start the individual cells from a battery that dismantled itself aren't any kind of bomb. Once they are spread apart they can't get all that hot and probably wouldn't even split, let alone burst. > > > > But your head is far too far up your backside for any of this to register. > > Hey Sloman, multiple flaming objects intentionally dropped from aircraft starting ground fires, or worse, ARE bombs that authorities will not look kindly on.Except that if you dump the battery when it starts to overheat, most of the cells wont get hot enough to start self-discharging, and the one's that are self-discharging might not get hot enough to split. Until they do that they won't expose their contests to the air, and wouldn't be able to catch on fire, even if there was an ignition source around. It's clearly not a bomb, and a whole less dangerous than a whole aircraft on fire, which is what you seem to want.> Just look at the uproar caused by the UNINTENTIONAL dropping of objects from airliners.<snipped the usual irrelevances> That's big objects. Intentional jettison can break them up and make them a lot less dangerous. -- Bill Sloman, Sydney
Reply by ●September 13, 20212021-09-13
On Saturday, September 11, 2021 at 10:02:32 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote:> On Sunday, September 12, 2021 at 2:09:28 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote: > > On Saturday, September 11, 2021 at 8:57:45 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote: > > > On Sunday, September 12, 2021 at 10:35:06 AM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote: > > > > On Friday, September 10, 2021 at 8:32:11 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote: > > > > > On Saturday, September 11, 2021 at 1:11:40 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote: > > > > > > On Friday, September 10, 2021 at 7:22:03 AM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote: > > > > > > > On Friday, September 10, 2021 at 4:44:37 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote: > > > > > > > > On Thursday, September 9, 2021 at 9:35:13 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Friday, September 10, 2021 at 2:06:26 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote: > > > > > > > > > > On Thursday, September 9, 2021 at 1:08:09 AM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote: > > > > > > > <snip> > > > > > <snip> > > > > > > > Flyguy's efforts are pathetic, but he doesn't seem to appreciate quite how obviously pathetic they are. It would be sad, if he wasn't such an unpleasant creep. > > > > > > > > > > > > What is pathetic is someone who believes that turning civilian aircraft into bombers is a GOOD IDEA and that LIBs CAN'T BURN! > > > > > > > > > > Neither of which is what I actually said, but Flyguy does like to misunderstand what I did post in ways that let him post the lies that he likes. Precisely how much of his idiocy is malicious isn't clear. > > > > > > > > Go back and reread your posts Sloman - you said it. > > > > > > That's what your imperfect understanding has lead you to claim I was saying. In fact I suspect that it is closer to malicious misinterpretation. I have spelled out exactly why what I said can't reasonably be described as advocating turning a civilian aircraft into a bomber - for a start the individual cells from a battery that dismantled itself aren't any kind of bomb. Once they are spread apart they can't get all that hot and probably wouldn't even split, let alone burst. > > > > > > But your head is far too far up your backside for any of this to register. > > > > Hey Sloman, multiple flaming objects intentionally dropped from aircraft starting ground fires, or worse, ARE bombs that authorities will not look kindly on. > > Except that if you dump the battery when it starts to overheat, most of the cells wont get hot enough to start self-discharging, and the one's that are self-discharging might not get hot enough to split. Until they do that they won't expose their contests to the air, and wouldn't be able to catch on fire, even if there was an ignition source around. > > It's clearly not a bomb, and a whole less dangerous than a whole aircraft on fire, which is what you seem to want. > > Just look at the uproar caused by the UNINTENTIONAL dropping of objects from airliners. > <snipped the usual irrelevances> > > That's big objects. Intentional jettison can break them up and make them a lot less dangerous. > > -- > SL0WMAN, SydneyHey SL0WMAN, you just keep digging the hole DEEPER AND DEEPER. Under your RIDICULOUS scenario the battery has ALREADY gone into thermal runaway - why else discard your only energy (fuel) source? Once thermal runaway starts there IS NO way of stopping it. Pilots certainly would not take such drastic action if there wasn't CLEAR and CONVINCING evidence of this problem - after all it could just be a sensor problem. The entire point is to NOT go down a path that will send flaming debris raining down onto an unsuspecting populous.
Reply by ●September 13, 20212021-09-13
On Monday, September 13, 2021 at 3:33:27 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote:> On Saturday, September 11, 2021 at 10:02:32 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote: > > On Sunday, September 12, 2021 at 2:09:28 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote: > > > On Saturday, September 11, 2021 at 8:57:45 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote: > > > > On Sunday, September 12, 2021 at 10:35:06 AM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote: > > > > > On Friday, September 10, 2021 at 8:32:11 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote: > > > > > > On Saturday, September 11, 2021 at 1:11:40 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote: > > > > > > > On Friday, September 10, 2021 at 7:22:03 AM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote: > > > > > > > > On Friday, September 10, 2021 at 4:44:37 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Thursday, September 9, 2021 at 9:35:13 PM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote: > > > > > > > > > > On Friday, September 10, 2021 at 2:06:26 PM UTC+10, Flyguy wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > On Thursday, September 9, 2021 at 1:08:09 AM UTC-7, bill....@ieee.org wrote: > > > > > > > > <snip> > > > > > > <snip> > > > > > > > > Flyguy's efforts are pathetic, but he doesn't seem to appreciate quite how obviously pathetic they are. It would be sad, if he wasn't such an unpleasant creep. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What is pathetic is someone who believes that turning civilian aircraft into bombers is a GOOD IDEA and that LIBs CAN'T BURN! > > > > > > > > > > > > Neither of which is what I actually said, but Flyguy does like to misunderstand what I did post in ways that let him post the lies that he likes. Precisely how much of his idiocy is malicious isn't clear. > > > > > > > > > > Go back and reread your posts Sloman - you said it. > > > > > > > > That's what your imperfect understanding has lead you to claim I was saying. In fact I suspect that it is closer to malicious misinterpretation. I have spelled out exactly why what I said can't reasonably be described as advocating turning a civilian aircraft into a bomber - for a start the individual cells from a battery that dismantled itself aren't any kind of bomb. Once they are spread apart they can't get all that hot and probably wouldn't even split, let alone burst. > > > > > > > > But your head is far too far up your backside for any of this to register. > > > > > > Hey Sloman, multiple flaming objects intentionally dropped from aircraft starting ground fires, or worse, ARE bombs that authorities will not look kindly on. > > > > Except that if you dump the battery when it starts to overheat, most of the cells wont get hot enough to start self-discharging, and the one's that are self-discharging might not get hot enough to split. Until they do that they won't expose their contests to the air, and wouldn't be able to catch on fire, even if there was an ignition source around. > > > > It's clearly not a bomb, and a whole less dangerous than a whole aircraft on fire, which is what you seem to want. > > > > Just look at the uproar caused by the UNINTENTIONAL dropping of objects from airliners. > > > > <snipped the usual irrelevances> > > > > That's big objects. Intentional jettison can break them up and make them a lot less dangerous. > > Hey SL0WMAN, you just keep digging the hole DEEPER AND DEEPER. Under your RIDICULOUS scenario the battery has ALREADY gone into thermal runaway - why else discard your only energy (fuel) source? Once thermal runaway starts there IS NO way of stopping it.Actually there is, and I spelled it out. Thermal runaway is going to start with one individual cell. If you jettisoned the battery and broke it up at that point, the rogue cell wouldn't heat up any other cells and start them self-discharging. That kills the run-away in it's tracks. Killing the process a little later is less effective, but a whole lot better than not breaking up the battery at all.> Pilots certainly would not take such drastic action if there wasn't CLEAR and CONVINCING evidence of this problem - after all it could just be a sensor problem.Temperature sensor are remarkably simple and very reliable. You'd need at least five of them (four arranged as a tetrahedron around a central sensor) to pick up an individual cell going rogue. Nine in a cube around a central sensor might be better with a rectangular battery pack. It wouldn't take a lot of processing power to keep track of what was going on. and you'd probably get a reliable early warning long before things got all that nasty.> The entire point is to NOT go down a path that will send flaming debris raining down onto an unsuspecting populous.Having a whole aircraft that has caught fire and is coming down out of control is a better option? This has been mentioned before, and you don't seem to have answered that question. Lots of little bits might not be nice, but the whole structure has to be worse. -- Bill Sloman, Sydney
Reply by ●September 13, 20212021-09-13
Reply by ●September 13, 20212021-09-13
On Tuesday, September 14, 2021 at 1:02:35 AM UTC+10, Corvid wrote:> On 9/12/21 10:33 PM, Flyguy wrote: > > an unsuspecting populous. > > Pretty funny.He presumably meant "populace". Ignorant people do confuse the two words. It might have been a typo, but all three of the last letters are different, and typos are mostly omissions, reiterations or exchanges. People are pretty good at deciphering scrambled words, but three different characters should stick out. -- Bill Sloman, Sydney
