On 1/24/2019 3:07 PM, upsidedown@downunder.com wrote:> On Thu, 24 Jan 2019 13:30:14 -0600, amdx <nojunk@knology.net> wrote: > >> On 1/24/2019 1:14 PM, upsidedown@downunder.com wrote: >>> On Thu, 24 Jan 2019 11:42:55 -0600, amdx <nojunk@knology.net> wrote: >>> >>>> To prevent spambots I need to answer this question to confirm >>>> registration to a forum. >>>> >>>> "If USB 3.1 Type-C Gen 2 speed is 10Gbps, What is the speed of 10Gbps in >>>> MB/s (Answer must include MB/s):" >>>> >>>> I thought it would just be Gig to Meg or 1000, but I ge,t "that is an >>>> invalid answer", So I googled and found: >>>> " 10 Gigabit Ethernet speed 10 Gbit/s = 1250 Megabytes per second" >>>> But that also gives me a "that is an invalid answer". >>>> Yes, I putting it in MB/s form, either 1000MB/s or 1250MB/s >>> >>> Just divide the bit rate by 10 to get the net bytes/s will give quite >>> correct results. Place remember the preamble, Ethernet headers and >>> possible IP headers and possible TCP header, especially if 1500 byte >>> standard Ethernet frames are used. With 9000 byte Jumbo frames, you >>> might get slightly better than that. For practical purposes 10 Gbit/s >>> is about 1 GByte/s. >>> >>>> >>>> Any ideas? >>>> Mikek >>> >> >> >> >> >> 10Gbit/s = 1GByte/s = 1000MByte/s >> Do you agree that 1GByte/s equals 1000MByte/s ? > > Are you trying to troll in this newsgroups or are americans really > that stupid that they do not understand the relationship between kilo, > mega, giga, tera etc ? > >> >> Google is showing me 10Mbps = 1250MB/s multiple times, but that >> didn't work as an answer. > > What is this ? 1250 Mbytes/s is 10000 Mbit/s assuming a byte is 8 > bits, which of course not a universal truth. In addition, you have to > include any overhead in the form of message framing.Why would you ask if I'm trolling, then give me the answer and tell me it is not a universal truth. And then start talking about overhead. Sheesh, you don't know the answer either. Mikek
GBps to MB/s
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Reply by ●January 24, 20192019-01-24
Reply by ●January 24, 20192019-01-24
On Thu, 24 Jan 2019 19:01:29 -0600, amdx <nojunk@knology.net> wrote:> Ok, it's a 2TB Western Digital drive with NTFS formating. >Now we are above my knowledge. > How can I tell if the NTFS is GPT or MBR?Ummm... disclose the exact Western Dismal model number? If that's too easy, the USB drive should work in any Windoze PC. Plug it in and check the "properties" on the drive. There are also PC hardware listing programs. I use Speccy: <https://www.ccleaner.com/speccy> It will try to install Crap Cleaner. Don't let it.>> "Convert GPT to MBR" >> <https://neosmart.net/wiki/convert-gpt-to-mbr/> >> "Convert a GPT disk into an MBR disk" >> <https://github.com/MicrosoftDocs/windowsserverdocs/blob/master/WindowsServerDocs/storage/disk-management/change-an-mbr-disk-into-a-gpt-disk.md>> Here's an English version, click 17 for the chart you typed out above. >Still looking for a regular English manual.You forgot to supply the link to the English version.> Even though the manufacturer says do not use a Thumbdrive, we used >a 64GB for about two years without flaw, the thumbdrive was high end >when I bought it. She finally filled it up and wanted to splurge for >more storage. I was surprised, it had about 22 hours on it, someone >posted they had 55 hours on a 32GB, but after checking 22 hours is about >full on a 64GB thumbdrive.I couldn't find a calculator for video storage. The one's I did find were for video surveillance storage and didn't work well. <https://www.wd.com/solutions/wd-surveillance-capacity-calculator.html>>Original question; >"If USB 3.1 Type-C Gen 2 speed is 10Gbps, What is the speed of 10Gbps in >MB/s (Answer must include MB/s):" > > Ok, I have tried 1000MB/s, 1250MB/s and 1212.12MB/s >and I get, "You have provided an invalid answer to the question." to all. > This is so I can ask questions on the Mediasonic forum.It's asking for "the speed of 10Gbps" which to me means divide by 8. Try putting a space between the 1250 and the MB/s. Try is with just 1250 and no units of measure. Try using GBps instead of GB/s. It might be screwing up on the "/" -- Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com 150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558
Reply by ●January 24, 20192019-01-24
On 01/24/2019 07:35 PM, amdx wrote:> On 1/24/2019 2:22 PM, bitrex wrote: >> On 01/24/2019 03:15 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote: >>> On Thu, 24 Jan 2019 14:54:12 -0500, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote: >>> >>>> BTW I just played around with the formatting utility in Windows and it >>>> appears to select "GPT"-type partition table for NTFS by default, note >>>> that the manual says the box does _not_ support GPT and the partition >>>> table must be MBR-style, so you have to select that instead when >>>> formatting. >>> >>> If the camera really does have a 2GB limit, it's probably FAT32 with >>> an MBR. >>> >>> Try a FAT32 specific format program: >>> <http://www.ridgecrop.demon.co.uk/index.htm?guiformat.htm> >>> <http://www.ridgecrop.demon.co.uk/index.htm?fat32format.htm> >>> >>> >> >> It looks to be a $40 DVR but yeesh, FAT32 only in 2019? I'd spend a >> little more if that's the case what's it going to do when recording >> 1080p? You'll hit 4 gig file size limit real quick. >> >> I've been reading the French manual the only problem with that is I >> don't know French. And it's in French. cuz it's a French manual. >> >> Oh it's got parental controls, great, wouldn't want the kids to see >> all that porn PBS broadcasts OTA around here... > > From what I've gleaned, it's setup for NTFS. > But, it still doesn't work. > Mike >Did you try formatting the 1TB drive in Windows "Disk Management" with a 512 byte cluster size using MBR? Look here: <https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-server/storage/disk-management/initialize-new-disks> Note the second screen where you can select the partition table type using a radio button, make sure it's set to MBR
Reply by ●January 24, 20192019-01-24
On 01/24/2019 03:54 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:> On Thu, 24 Jan 2019 15:22:53 -0500, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote: > >> On 01/24/2019 03:15 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote: >>> On Thu, 24 Jan 2019 14:54:12 -0500, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote: >>> >>>> BTW I just played around with the formatting utility in Windows and it >>>> appears to select "GPT"-type partition table for NTFS by default, note >>>> that the manual says the box does _not_ support GPT and the partition >>>> table must be MBR-style, so you have to select that instead when formatting. >>> >>> If the camera really does have a 2GB limit, it's probably FAT32 with >>> an MBR. >>> >>> Try a FAT32 specific format program: >>> <http://www.ridgecrop.demon.co.uk/index.htm?guiformat.htm> >>> <http://www.ridgecrop.demon.co.uk/index.htm?fat32format.htm> > >> It looks to be a $40 DVR but yeesh, FAT32 only in 2019? I'd spend a >> little more if that's the case what's it going to do when recording >> 1080p? You'll hit 4 gig file size limit real quick. >> >> I've been reading the French manual the only problem with that is I >> don't know French. And it's in French. cuz it's a French manual. >> >> Oh it's got parental controls, great, wouldn't want the kids to see all >> that porn PBS broadcasts OTA around here... > > My Jr High Skool French is a lost cause. Digging anyway: > <http://www.mediasonic.ca/product.php?id=1365123671> > The manual is at: > <http://www.mediasonic.ca/files/1382658092_1.pdf> > On Pg 15 is a table (that won't let me cut-n-paste) that shows: > TIMESHIFT PVR RECORD FORMAT > USB flash drive functions functions FAT32 > 3.5 inch HDD functions functions NTFS > 2.5 inch HDD functions functions NTFS / FAT32 > 1.8 inch HDD won't work functions NTFS / FAT32 > > On the data sheet it proclaims: > USB Multimedia Player (Support USB Flash Drive up to 64GB > or USB 3.5" External Hard Drive up to 2TB). > and > Recording Function: Record TV Show (Suggest to use USB 2.5" > or 3.5" External Hard Drive, Hard Drive formate MBR) > (USB Flash Drive NOT recommended) > > So, the 1TB Western Dismal drive should work if it can be convinced to > do MBR flavor partitions in NTFS. No mention of block sizes so both > 512 bytes and 4KBytes should be tried. > > "Convert GPT to MBR" > <https://neosmart.net/wiki/convert-gpt-to-mbr/> > "Convert a GPT disk into an MBR disk" > <https://github.com/MicrosoftDocs/windowsserverdocs/blob/master/WindowsServerDocs/storage/disk-management/change-an-mbr-disk-into-a-gpt-disk.md> >The box is prolly using a 32 bit processor hence MBR so a 32 bit MBR partition page can fit in a single register
Reply by ●January 24, 20192019-01-24
On Thu, 24 Jan 2019 18:23:34 -0600, amdx <nojunk@knology.net> wrote:>On 1/24/2019 2:15 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote: >> On Thu, 24 Jan 2019 14:54:12 -0500, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote: >> >>> BTW I just played around with the formatting utility in Windows and it >>> appears to select "GPT"-type partition table for NTFS by default, note >>> that the manual says the box does _not_ support GPT and the partition >>> table must be MBR-style, so you have to select that instead when formatting. >> >> If the camera really does have a 2GB limit, it's probably FAT32 with >> an MBR. >> >> Try a FAT32 specific format program: >> <http://www.ridgecrop.demon.co.uk/index.htm?guiformat.htm> >> <http://www.ridgecrop.demon.co.uk/index.htm?fat32format.htm>> It's not a camera it's an OTA digital video recorder. >> http://www.mediasonic.ca/product.php?id=1365123671 >Or as they say, " ATSC Digital Converter Box w/ TV Recording, Media >Player, and TV Tuner Function" > I call it the wife's soap recorder. > MikekSorry. I automatically associate DVR's (digital video recoders) with security camera systems. Replace "camera" with "DVR". Also, since it has a 2TB limit, not 2GB, it can handle NTFS. There's also exFAT, but since it wasn't mentioned in the literature, I don't think it's needed. WD Format tool: <https://support.wdc.com/knowledgebase/answer.aspx?ID=3868> Might be useful to return the drive to it's original NTFS condition. The programs I suggested for FAT32 work nicely for reformatting hard disk drives and USB flash drives. I run into that ocassionally when I need to cram a modern drive into an older DVR. However, I think NTFS and an MBR partition will make things work. -- Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com 150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558
Reply by ●January 24, 20192019-01-24
On 1/24/2019 8:03 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:> On Thu, 24 Jan 2019 19:01:29 -0600, amdx <nojunk@knology.net> wrote: > >> Ok, it's a 2TB Western Digital drive with NTFS formating. >> Now we are above my knowledge. >> How can I tell if the NTFS is GPT or MBR? > > Ummm... disclose the exact Western Dismal model number?WD 2TB Elements Portable External Hard Drive - USB 3.0 - WDBU6Y0020BBK-WESN> https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B06W55K9N6/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o01__o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1> If that's too easy, the USB drive should work in any Windoze PCPlug> it in and check the "properties" on the drive.Yes, have done that all I see is NTFS There are also PC> hardware listing programs. I use Speccy: > <https://www.ccleaner.com/speccy> > It will try to install Crap Cleaner. Don't let it.Don't you just hate that!> >>> "Convert GPT to MBR" >>> <https://neosmart.net/wiki/convert-gpt-to-mbr/> >>> "Convert a GPT disk into an MBR disk" >>> <https://github.com/MicrosoftDocs/windowsserverdocs/blob/master/WindowsServerDocs/storage/disk-management/change-an-mbr-disk-into-a-gpt-disk.md> > >> Here's an English version, click 17 for the chart you typed out above. >> Still looking for a regular English manual. > > You forgot to supply the link to the English version.Sorry.> https://www.manualslib.com/manual/1012977/Homeworx-Hw-150pvr.html?page=1#manual> >> Even though the manufacturer says do not use a Thumbdrive, we used >> a 64GB for about two years without flaw, the thumbdrive was high end >> when I bought it. She finally filled it up and wanted to splurge for >> more storage. I was surprised, it had about 22 hours on it, someone >> posted they had 55 hours on a 32GB, but after checking 22 hours is about >> full on a 64GB thumbdrive. > > I couldn't find a calculator for video storage. The one's I did find > were for video surveillance storage and didn't work well. > <https://www.wd.com/solutions/wd-surveillance-capacity-calculator.html> > >> Original question; >> "If USB 3.1 Type-C Gen 2 speed is 10Gbps, What is the speed of 10Gbps in >> MB/s (Answer must include MB/s):" >> >> Ok, I have tried 1000MB/s, 1250MB/s and 1212.12MB/s >> and I get, "You have provided an invalid answer to the question." to all. >> This is so I can ask questions on the Mediasonic forum. > > It's asking for "the speed of 10Gbps" which to me means divide by 8. > Try putting a space between the 1250 and the MB/s. > Try is with just 1250 and no units of measure. > Try using GBps instead of GB/s. It might be screwing up on the "/" >Ya, I did get in. It required a space between 1250 and MB/s. 1250 MB/s Even the the question didn't show that way. Mikek
Reply by ●January 24, 20192019-01-24
Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> wrote: <snip>> Try putting a space between the 1250 and the MB/s.1250 MB/s is the answer that they want. Mike, let us know what you learn. Thank you, -- Don Kuenz KB7RPU There was a young lady named Bright Whose speed was far faster than light; She set out one day In a relative way And returned on the previous night.
Reply by ●January 24, 20192019-01-24
On 1/24/2019 8:15 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:> On Thu, 24 Jan 2019 18:23:34 -0600, amdx <nojunk@knology.net> wrote: > >> On 1/24/2019 2:15 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote: >>> On Thu, 24 Jan 2019 14:54:12 -0500, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote: >>> >>>> BTW I just played around with the formatting utility in Windows and it >>>> appears to select "GPT"-type partition table for NTFS by default, note >>>> that the manual says the box does _not_ support GPT and the partition >>>> table must be MBR-style, so you have to select that instead when formatting. >>> >>> If the camera really does have a 2GB limit, it's probably FAT32 with >>> an MBR. >>> >>> Try a FAT32 specific format program: >>> <http://www.ridgecrop.demon.co.uk/index.htm?guiformat.htm> >>> <http://www.ridgecrop.demon.co.uk/index.htm?fat32format.htm> > >> It's not a camera it's an OTA digital video recorder. >>> http://www.mediasonic.ca/product.php?id=1365123671 >> Or as they say, " ATSC Digital Converter Box w/ TV Recording, Media >> Player, and TV Tuner Function" >> I call it the wife's soap recorder. >> Mikek > > Sorry. I automatically associate DVR's (digital video recoders) with > security camera systems. Replace "camera" with "DVR". Also, since it > has a 2TB limit, not 2GB, it can handle NTFS. There's also exFAT, but > since it wasn't mentioned in the literature, I don't think it's > needed. > > WD Format tool: > <https://support.wdc.com/knowledgebase/answer.aspx?ID=3868> > Might be useful to return the drive to it's original NTFS condition. > > The programs I suggested for FAT32 work nicely for reformatting hard > disk drives and USB flash drives. I run into that ocassionally when I > need to cram a modern drive into an older DVR. However, I think NTFS > and an MBR partition will make things work. >Now that I've been allowed to become a member of the Mediasonic forum, I hope a factory rep will fill in all the details for the HW150. Mikek
Reply by ●January 25, 20192019-01-25
amdx <nojunk@knology.net> wrote in news:q2ctf2$pla$1@dont-email.me:> To prevent spambots I need to answer this question to confirm > registration to a forum. > > "If USB 3.1 Type-C Gen 2 speed is 10Gbps, What is the speed of > 10Gbps in MB/s (Answer must include MB/s):" > > I thought it would just be Gig to Meg or 1000, but I ge,t "that > is an > invalid answer", So I googled and found: > " 10 Gigabit Ethernet speed 10 Gbit/s = 1250 Megabytes per second" > But that also gives me a "that is an invalid answer". > Yes, I putting it in MB/s form, either 1000MB/s or 1250MB/s > > Any ideas? > Mikek >It must just be syntax. Think 8 bit words. So essentially divide by ten to make up for ecc and overhead. Your post title is wrong too. It should be a lower case "b" as in bits per second instead of bytes per second Gb/s to MB/s
Reply by ●January 25, 20192019-01-25
amdx <nojunk@knology.net> wrote in news:q2d2q5$tr5$1@dont-email.me:> OK, maybe you can answer my question then. > I have Mediasonic HW150 digital Video recorder. > I recently purchased a WD 1T hard drive, when installed > and I try to record, it says no disk found. Although it > does recognize a USB cable was inserted. > The drive is in NTFS file format, do I need to change that to > FAT32? > Mikek >exfat
