"John Larkin" wrote in message news:mn5bad1ceq9tmco3aqkd6t8aps8a79qdc4@4ax.com... On Sun, 11 Mar 2018 19:30:55 -0000, "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> wrote:>>"John Larkin" wrote in message >>news:pjnaadpnmpenvpsj4k5shiqrubus9njn8d@4ax.com... > > >>You could adapt the dreaded 4K7 convention: 4MM5drill. > > >>Its not dreaded. It's a great way to notate numbers.>The original justification was that decimal points were somehow >fragile and got lost on drawings, so the wrong parts values got >installed. It was nonsense of course.err.. nonsenses on its nonsense :-) Spice schematics, using a dotted grid, are far, far easier and more reliable to read as 4k7 than 4.7k, that's why I have it in SS. Go and actually try it... -- Kevin Aylward http://www.anasoft.co.uk - SuperSpice http://www.kevinaylward.co.uk/ee/index.html
Dot allowed as characters allowed in netlist?
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On Sunday, March 11, 2018 at 1:59:26 PM UTC-7, John Larkin wrote:> The original justification was that decimal points were somehow > fragile and got lost on drawings, so the wrong parts values got > installed. It was nonsense of course.Too young to recall thermal fax machines? Lines that crossed got rather fat at the intersection, and the images faded over time.
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Tim Williams wrote:> Who actually has problems parsing strings anymore? > > Don't write your PCB tools in God damned PHP. > > On a related rant: > > Stop naming fucking files in ALL_CAPS_WITH_UNDERSCORES. We have long > file names, case and spaces now. Like, for two or three decades. > > We can write appealing, pronouncable file names now. Like "Power > Supply Rev 1".Other OS's already allowed long names when MS came out with the incredibly flawed Windows 95 and allowed spaces in names. It causes innumerable problems.
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On 2018-03-12 12:53, John Larkin wrote:> On Mon, 12 Mar 2018 07:30:29 -0700, Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com> > wrote: > >> On 2018-03-11 13:59, John Larkin wrote: >>> On Sun, 11 Mar 2018 19:30:55 -0000, "Kevin Aylward" >>> <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> wrote: >>> >>>>> "John Larkin" wrote in message >>>>> news:pjnaadpnmpenvpsj4k5shiqrubus9njn8d@4ax.com... >>>> >>>> >>>>> You could adapt the dreaded 4K7 convention: 4MM5drill. >>>> >>>> >>>> Its not dreaded. It's a great way to notate numbers. >>>> >>>> >>>> -- Kevin Aylward >>>> http://www.anasoft.co.uk - SuperSpice >>>> http://www.kevinaylward.co.uk/ee/index.html >>> >>> The original justification was that decimal points were somehow >>> fragile and got lost on drawings, so the wrong parts values got >>> installed. It was nonsense of course. >>> >>> I just frosted a Guinness Cake, which involved using 1cup25 of >>> powdered sugar. >>> >> >> I used 1TSP5 of Irish moss during my brewing. A Session Ale and a Pale Ale. >> >> Just got myself stainless buckets for fermentation, woohoo! > > Well, some kids are easily amused. >Got to be thankful for the little thing. They are $100 versions, marginal production quality in the welds and other things but they work and sure look much more expensive than they were. The plastic ones can't hack it because wort (the "soup" after brewing and before fermenting) is aggressive in its pH value and etches into the plastic over time.> Have you tried Guinness Cake? It even looks like a draft Guinness. > > https://www.dropbox.com/s/gsbiddz3fv6km3z/Guinness_Cake.JPG?dl=0 >Never had any but it looks delicious. -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/
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On Mon, 12 Mar 2018 21:22:17 -0000, "Kevin Aylward" <kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> wrote:>"John Larkin" wrote in message >news:mn5bad1ceq9tmco3aqkd6t8aps8a79qdc4@4ax.com... > >On Sun, 11 Mar 2018 19:30:55 -0000, "Kevin Aylward" ><kevinRemovAT@kevinaylward.co.uk> wrote: > >>>"John Larkin" wrote in message >>>news:pjnaadpnmpenvpsj4k5shiqrubus9njn8d@4ax.com... >> >> >>>You could adapt the dreaded 4K7 convention: 4MM5drill. >> >> >>>Its not dreaded. It's a great way to notate numbers. > > >>The original justification was that decimal points were somehow >>fragile and got lost on drawings, so the wrong parts values got >>installed. It was nonsense of course. > >err.. nonsenses on its nonsense :-) > >Spice schematics, using a dotted grid, are far, far easier and more reliable >to read as 4k7 than 4.7k, that's why I have it in SS. Go and actually try >it... > >-- Kevin Aylward >http://www.anasoft.co.uk - SuperSpice >http://www.kevinaylward.co.uk/ee/index.htmlAre these dots hard to tell from the grid? https://www.dropbox.com/s/priqv9f5jm5gx13/HP_PS_5.jpg?raw=1 -- John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc lunatic fringe electronics
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On Mon, 12 Mar 2018 17:43:07 -0700 (PDT), whit3rd <whit3rd@gmail.com> wrote:>On Sunday, March 11, 2018 at 1:59:26 PM UTC-7, John Larkin wrote: > >> The original justification was that decimal points were somehow >> fragile and got lost on drawings, so the wrong parts values got >> installed. It was nonsense of course. > >Too young to recall thermal fax machines? >Lines that crossed got rather fat at the intersection, >and the images faded over time.I started with hand-drawn schematics on vellum, and blueprint machines. And I still use both. And I never lose or mistake decimal points or tie points. Maybe that's because I had two semisters of engineering drawing in college. I don't think that a D-size schematic could be FAXd, then or now. A lot of current "wisdom" is left over from olden days, and especially bad, amateur habits of olden days. We have computers now. Parts lists are generated automatically from our schematics, and computers don't mistake decimal points for coffee stains. Software gets the net lists right even when two wires cross. Scientific notation and SI units are correct. The 4K7 thing is amateur audio nonsense. -- John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc lunatic fringe electronics
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"Joerg" wrote in message news:fgq533Fa2aoU1@mid.individual.net... On 2018-03-12 12:53, John Larkin wrote:> On Mon, 12 Mar 2018 07:30:29 -0700, Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com> > wrote: > >> On 2018-03-11 13:59, John Larkin wrote: >> Just got myself stainless buckets for fermentation, woohoo! > > Well, some kids are easily amused. >Got to be thankful for the little thing. They are $100 versions, marginal production quality in the welds and other things but they work and sure look much more expensive than they were. The plastic ones can't hack it because wort (the "soup" after brewing and before fermenting) is aggressive in its pH value and etches into the plastic over time. ============================================================ What size buckets? Have you looked at cheap stock pots? HarborFreight has a 4 pot set (6, 8, 12, 16 qt) stainless steel set for $22. One reviewer complained that the handle rivets were aluminum so you might need to replace those, but hey, you get lids! :-) Lowes has a 40 qt for $60 that they say can be used for brewing up to 7 gallon batches. Anyway, just a thought. -- Regards, Carl Ijames
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On 2018-03-13 09:13, Carl Ijames wrote:> "Joerg" wrote in message news:fgq533Fa2aoU1@mid.individual.net... > On 2018-03-12 12:53, John Larkin wrote: >> On Mon, 12 Mar 2018 07:30:29 -0700, Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com> >> wrote: >> >>> On 2018-03-11 13:59, John Larkin wrote: >>> Just got myself stainless buckets for fermentation, woohoo! >> >> Well, some kids are easily amused. >> > > Got to be thankful for the little thing. They are $100 versions, > marginal production quality in the welds and other things but they work > and sure look much more expensive than they were. The plastic ones can't > hack it because wort (the "soup" after brewing and before fermenting) is > aggressive in its pH value and etches into the plastic over time. > ============================================================ > > What size buckets?7 gallons.> ... Have you looked at cheap stock pots? HarborFreight has > a 4 pot set (6, 8, 12, 16 qt) stainless steel set for $22. One reviewer > complained that the handle rivets were aluminum so you might need to replace > those, but hey, you get lids! :-) Lowes has a 40 qt for $60 that they say > can be used for brewing up to 7 gallon batches. Anyway, just a thought. >Those don't work well because you need a seal. This is what I got: https://www.chapmanequipment.com/products/7-gallon-steeltank-fermenter For brewing I have an aluminum 13 gallon Tamale steamer pot that was on sale for $30 plus tax at Forklift. It is wide enough so I can place two 1kW electric burners from Walmart underneath, back to back and plugged into different circuits. -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/
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On Tue, 13 Mar 2018 09:37:10 -0700, Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com> wrote:>On 2018-03-13 09:13, Carl Ijames wrote: >> "Joerg" wrote in message news:fgq533Fa2aoU1@mid.individual.net... >> On 2018-03-12 12:53, John Larkin wrote: >>> On Mon, 12 Mar 2018 07:30:29 -0700, Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> On 2018-03-11 13:59, John Larkin wrote: >>>> Just got myself stainless buckets for fermentation, woohoo! >>> >>> Well, some kids are easily amused. >>> >> >> Got to be thankful for the little thing. They are $100 versions, >> marginal production quality in the welds and other things but they work >> and sure look much more expensive than they were. The plastic ones can't >> hack it because wort (the "soup" after brewing and before fermenting) is >> aggressive in its pH value and etches into the plastic over time. >> ============================================================ >> >> What size buckets? > > >7 gallons. > > >> ... Have you looked at cheap stock pots? HarborFreight has >> a 4 pot set (6, 8, 12, 16 qt) stainless steel set for $22. One reviewer >> complained that the handle rivets were aluminum so you might need to replace >> those, but hey, you get lids! :-) Lowes has a 40 qt for $60 that they say >> can be used for brewing up to 7 gallon batches. Anyway, just a thought. >> > >Those don't work well because you need a seal. This is what I got: > >https://www.chapmanequipment.com/products/7-gallon-steeltank-fermenter > >For brewing I have an aluminum 13 gallon Tamale steamer pot that was on >sale for $30 plus tax at Forklift. It is wide enough so I can place two >1kW electric burners from Walmart underneath, back to back and plugged >into different circuits.We go to BevMo. Or GPS. https://www.yelp.com/biz/glen-park-station-san-francisco or The Dovre Club, except it's really hard to park around there. -- John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc picosecond timing precision measurement jlarkin att highlandtechnology dott com http://www.highlandtechnology.com
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On 2018-03-13 10:18, John Larkin wrote:> On Tue, 13 Mar 2018 09:37:10 -0700, Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com> > wrote: > >> On 2018-03-13 09:13, Carl Ijames wrote:[...]>>> ... Have you looked at cheap stock pots? HarborFreight has >>> a 4 pot set (6, 8, 12, 16 qt) stainless steel set for $22. One reviewer >>> complained that the handle rivets were aluminum so you might need to replace >>> those, but hey, you get lids! :-) Lowes has a 40 qt for $60 that they say >>> can be used for brewing up to 7 gallon batches. Anyway, just a thought. >>> >> >> Those don't work well because you need a seal. This is what I got: >> >> https://www.chapmanequipment.com/products/7-gallon-steeltank-fermenter >> >> For brewing I have an aluminum 13 gallon Tamale steamer pot that was on >> sale for $30 plus tax at Forklift. It is wide enough so I can place two >> 1kW electric burners from Walmart underneath, back to back and plugged >> into different circuits. > > We go to BevMo. Or GPS. > > https://www.yelp.com/biz/glen-park-station-san-francisco > > or The Dovre Club, except it's really hard to park around there. >We just go into our basement :-) There are usually a few hundred bottles with all kinds of homebrew. Store-bought beer even of the finer kind doesn't taste as fresh anymore since I started brewing again. I guess the main reason is bottle carbonation which the large breweries usually don't do anymore for cost reasons. We also haven't bought bread in a long time because the trub (fermentation remnant) gets turned into hearty and crunchy bread. Minus whatever I harvest off to net some yeast for the next batches. Here I am sitting doing RF design when I really want to be ... brewing. -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/
