BF862 discontinued?

Looks like NXP are phasing out the BF862: 
http://www.nxp.com/pages/n-channel-fet:BF86X?tab=Package_Quality_Tab

Any alternatives in mind for simple low-noise transimpedance frontends 
and bootstraps? Having just started to design things using the BF862, I 
quite liked the fact that you can get reasonable noise performance 
without having to deal with (bootstrap/…) huge amounts of drain capacitance.

I'm looking for something with <1 nV/rtHz wideband noise and a 1/f knee 
significantly below 1 MHz, <10 pF input capacitance, sensible gate 
leakage and a few 100 MHz of bandwidth. Maybe the CPH3910 (ON Semi)? 
They don't seem to quote any RF performance figures, though.

  &mdash; David

On Tue, 22 Aug 2017 16:23:57 +0100, David Nadlinger
<david@klickverbot.at> wrote:

>Looks like NXP are phasing out the BF862: 
>http://www.nxp.com/pages/n-channel-fet:BF86X?tab=Package_Quality_Tab
>
>Any alternatives in mind for simple low-noise transimpedance frontends 
>and bootstraps? Having just started to design things using the BF862, I 
>quite liked the fact that you can get reasonable noise performance 
>without having to deal with (bootstrap/&#4294967295;) huge amounts of drain capacitance.
>
>I'm looking for something with <1 nV/rtHz wideband noise and a 1/f knee 
>significantly below 1 MHz, <10 pF input capacitance, sensible gate 
>leakage and a few 100 MHz of bandwidth. Maybe the CPH3910 (ON Semi)? 
>They don't seem to quote any RF performance figures, though.
>
>  &#4294967295; David

NXP is probably "not recommended for new designs."


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On Tuesday, August 22, 2017 at 11:24:01 AM UTC-4, David Nadlinger wrote:
> Looks like NXP are phasing out the BF862: 
> http://www.nxp.com/pages/n-channel-fet:BF86X?tab=Package_Quality_Tab
> 
> Any alternatives in mind for simple low-noise transimpedance frontends 
> and bootstraps? Having just started to design things using the BF862, I 
> quite liked the fact that you can get reasonable noise performance 
> without having to deal with (bootstrap/…) huge amounts of drain capacitance.
> 
> I'm looking for something with <1 nV/rtHz wideband noise and a 1/f knee 
> significantly below 1 MHz, <10 pF input capacitance, sensible gate 
> leakage and a few 100 MHz of bandwidth. Maybe the CPH3910 (ON Semi)? 
> They don't seem to quote any RF performance figures, though.
> 
>   &mdash; David

The BF862 looks to have been the best of the lot.

http://www.electronicdesign.com/power/measurements-rate-smt-low-voltage-n-jfets-under-consistent-conditions

BF861 is still active, but at en = 1.5nV/rt hz (1MHz).
http://www.nxp.com/docs/en/data-sheet/BF861A_BF861B_BF861C.pdf

Cheers,
James Arthur

Thanks for the heads-up. Fortunately ON recently introduced the CPH3910, which is about 1 dB better than the BF862 for my uses. 

Anyway, I just ordered 3 reels of the one and 4 of t'other for insurance. 

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

On 2017-08-22 16:49, pcdhobbs@gmail.com wrote:
> Thanks for the heads-up. Fortunately ON recently introduced the
> CPH3910, which is about 1 dB better than the BF862 for my uses.
>

Thanks, duly noted. Some day I'll have to try that in a very low voltage 
oscillator application. The BF862 excels in that domain as well (motes, 
energy harvesting and so on).


> Anyway, I just ordered 3 reels of the one and 4 of t'other for
> insurance.
>

Always a good policy.

-- 
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/

>NXP is probably "not recommended for new designs." 

Since Nexperia didn't take the BF862, I was sort of expecting this. 

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

On 23.08.17 1:17 AM, pcdhobbs@gmail.com wrote:
>> NXP is probably "not recommended for new designs."
> 
> Since Nexperia didn't take the BF862, I was sort of expecting this.

I was wondering about this as well (especially as they market it as 
being for AM car radios). But then, all the RF-ish stuff remained at 
NXP, so… —David

On 23.08.17 12:49 AM, pcdhobbs@gmail.com wrote:
> Thanks for the heads-up. Fortunately ON recently introduced the CPH3910, which is about 1 dB better than the BF862 for my uses.

Do you happen to have any data on the RF performance or gate leakage? 
I've seen it mentioned by audio people, but the datasheet seems a bit 
sparse. I'll definitely test a few as well in my circuit, but I'd have 
to build a test jig to directly measure the parameters (although that's 
probably a useful thing to have anyway).

  — David

>Do you happen to have any data on the RF performance or gate leakage? 

I always run JFETs at about 2.5V D-S, to get full transconductance with minimal heating and no avalanche gate leakage. In that mode the CPH3910 has higher transconductance and lower capacitance than the BF862, and about the same leakage, i.e. a couple of picoamps at room temperature. 

BF862s run well at I_DSS, so I've sometimes used an op amp to adjust the tail current to zero out V_DS. That way you can take the output straight from the bootstrap if you like, and of course it's good for IR photodiodes that don't like reverse bias. 

With an I_DSS of about 30 mA vs around 12, CPH3910s run a bit warm at 0 V D-S, so it's less attractive to do that. 

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

On Wed, 23 Aug 2017 04:35:58 -0700 (PDT), pcdhobbs@gmail.com wrote:

>>Do you happen to have any data on the RF performance or gate leakage? 
>
>I always run JFETs at about 2.5V D-S, to get full transconductance with minimal heating and no avalanche gate leakage. In that mode the CPH3910 has higher transconductance and lower capacitance than the BF862, and about the same leakage, i.e. a couple of picoamps at room temperature. 
>
>BF862s run well at I_DSS, so I've sometimes used an op amp to adjust the tail current to zero out V_DS. That way you can take the output straight from the bootstrap if you like, and of course it's good for IR photodiodes that don't like reverse bias. 
>
>With an I_DSS of about 30 mA vs around 12, CPH3910s run a bit warm at 0 V D-S, so it's less attractive to do that. 
>
>Cheers
>
>Phil Hobbs

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