Californica solar requirements screw all...

Started by Jim Thompson July 17, 2017
Californica solar requirements screw all...

<https://townhall.com/columnists/brucebialosky/2017/07/16/california-requires-solar-panels-on-all-homes-and-windmills-on-all-farms-n2354430>

"What has not been widely discussed in the press &#2013266070; and buried in the
details of the bill &#2013266070; is that all new homes and _all_homes_sold_ must
have solar panels as their source of energy."

Note that "_all_homes_sold_" >:-}

You're all screwed.
		
                                        ...Jim Thompson
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On Mon, 17 Jul 2017 07:42:18 -0700, Jim Thompson
<To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> wrote:

>Californica solar requirements screw all... > ><https://townhall.com/columnists/brucebialosky/2017/07/16/california-requires-solar-panels-on-all-homes-and-windmills-on-all-farms-n2354430> > >"What has not been widely discussed in the press &#2013266070; and buried in the >details of the bill &#2013266070; is that all new homes and _all_homes_sold_ must >have solar panels as their source of energy." > >Note that "_all_homes_sold_" >:-} > >You're all screwed. > > ...Jim Thompson
Not unless I decide to sell and buy something else, and that's unlikely. -- John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc lunatic fringe electronics
On Mon, 17 Jul 2017 08:32:11 -0700, John Larkin
<jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> wrote:

>On Mon, 17 Jul 2017 07:42:18 -0700, Jim Thompson ><To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> wrote: > >>Californica solar requirements screw all... >> >><https://townhall.com/columnists/brucebialosky/2017/07/16/california-requires-solar-panels-on-all-homes-and-windmills-on-all-farms-n2354430> >> >>"What has not been widely discussed in the press &#2013266070; and buried in the >>details of the bill &#2013266070; is that all new homes and _all_homes_sold_ must >>have solar panels as their source of energy." >> >>Note that "_all_homes_sold_" >:-} >> >>You're all screwed. >> >> ...Jim Thompson > >Not unless I decide to sell and buy something else, and that's >unlikely.
Sooner, or later, you won't be with us, and the house will be sold... your heirs will bear the cost. ...Jim Thompson -- | James E.Thompson | mens | | Analog Innovations | et | | Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus | | STV, Queen Creek, AZ 85142 Skype: skypeanalog | | | Voice:(480)460-2350 Fax: Available upon request | Brass Rat | | E-mail Icon at http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 | I'm looking for work... see my website. Thinking outside the box...producing elegant & economic solutions.
On Mon, 17 Jul 2017 07:42:18 -0700, Jim Thompson
<To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> wrote:

>Californica solar requirements screw all... > ><https://townhall.com/columnists/brucebialosky/2017/07/16/california-requires-solar-panels-on-all-homes-and-windmills-on-all-farms-n2354430> > >"What has not been widely discussed in the press &#2013266070; and buried in the >details of the bill &#2013266070; is that all new homes and _all_homes_sold_ must >have solar panels as their source of energy." > >Note that "_all_homes_sold_" >:-}
I wonder if any of the proponents of this idea did the math? I haven't read (or found) the bill, but I suspect that they're talking about grid tied solar power, which only generates power during daylight hours and has no storage. So, we can get to 50% or 100% solar power, but only during daylight hours and probably only during the summer. To make it through the night, grid tied solar systems will need to generate about twice the daytime energy, in order to run the house at night, and share any surplus with the neighbors. Looks like Elon Musk's Power Wall will be a necessity as the trend is for owners of solar power systems to become a "self-consumer" by storing and using the energy themselves, rather than selling it to the utility at a fraction of it's replacement cost. There's a nice article on battery bank selection and sizing in the current issue of Home Power magazine: <https://www.homepower.com/articles/solar-electricity/design-installation/battery-bank-design-sizing?v=print>
>You're all screwed. > ...Jim Thompson
Not yet, but I will be if I don't get off the computah and back to working. -- Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com 150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558
On Monday, July 17, 2017 at 5:37:33 PM UTC+2, Jim Thompson wrote:
> On Mon, 17 Jul 2017 08:32:11 -0700, John Larkin > <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> wrote: > > >On Mon, 17 Jul 2017 07:42:18 -0700, Jim Thompson > ><To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> wrote: > > > >>Californica solar requirements screw all... > >> > >><https://townhall.com/columnists/brucebialosky/2017/07/16/california-requires-solar-panels-on-all-homes-and-windmills-on-all-farms-n2354430> > >> > >>"What has not been widely discussed in the press &ndash; and buried in the > >>details of the bill &ndash; is that all new homes and _all_homes_sold_ must > >>have solar panels as their source of energy." > >> > >>Note that "_all_homes_sold_" >:-} > >> > >>You're all screwed. > > > >Not unless I decide to sell and buy something else, and that's > >unlikely. > > Sooner, or later, you won't be with us, and the house will be sold... > your heirs will bear the cost.
The cost of solar cells has halved twice in the last decade or so, and if we move onto making enough of them to generate most of our electricty, the cost is going to at least halve again. Whether solar cells will be cheaper than roofiing tiles is anybodies guess, but the cost isn't going to be dramatic. -- Bill Sloman, Sydney
On Mon, 17 Jul 2017 08:37:22 -0700, Jim Thompson
<To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> wrote:

>On Mon, 17 Jul 2017 08:32:11 -0700, John Larkin ><jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> wrote: > >>On Mon, 17 Jul 2017 07:42:18 -0700, Jim Thompson >><To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> wrote: >> >>>Californica solar requirements screw all... >>> >>><https://townhall.com/columnists/brucebialosky/2017/07/16/california-requires-solar-panels-on-all-homes-and-windmills-on-all-farms-n2354430> >>> >>>"What has not been widely discussed in the press &#2013266070; and buried in the >>>details of the bill &#2013266070; is that all new homes and _all_homes_sold_
must
>>>have solar panels as their source of energy." >>> >>>Note that "_all_homes_sold_" >:-} >>> >>>You're all screwed. >>> >>> ...Jim Thompson >> >>Not unless I decide to sell and buy something else, and that's >>unlikely. > >Sooner, or later, you won't be with us, and the house will be sold... >your heirs will bear the cost. > > ...Jim Thompson
It will sell for at least 5x what we paid for it. They'll do OK. And can't you get solar on one of those no-cost deals? -- John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc picosecond timing precision measurement jlarkin att highlandtechnology dott com http://www.highlandtechnology.com
On 2017/07/17 7:42 AM, Jim Thompson wrote:
> Californica solar requirements screw all... > >
<https://townhall.com/columnists/brucebialosky/2017/07/16/california-requires-solar-panels-on-all-homes-and-windmills-on-all-farms-n2354430>
> > "What has not been widely discussed in the press &ndash; and buried in the > details of the bill &ndash; is that all new homes and _all_homes_sold_ must > have solar panels as their source of energy." > > Note that "_all_homes_sold_" >:-} > > You're all screwed. > > ...Jim Thompson >
This is one part where I have to agree with Jim. People say "what is the risk of the following the precautionary principle" and this is the answer. Overzealous governments bankrupt their people to solve a problem that may not exist. I'm afraid the alarmist Cassandras have won this round. John
On Mon, 17 Jul 2017 07:42:18 -0700, Jim Thompson wrote:

> Californica solar requirements screw all... > > <https://townhall.com/columnists/brucebialosky/2017/07/16/california-
requires-solar-panels-on-all-homes-and-windmills-on-all-farms-n2354430>
> > "What has not been widely discussed in the press &#150; and buried in the > details of the bill &#150; is that all new homes and _all_homes_sold_ must > have solar panels as their source of energy." > > Note that "_all_homes_sold_" >:-} > > You're all screwed.
Well, at least this is one piece of legislative lunacy we here in soggy/ foggy GB will be spared. :-D
On Monday, July 17, 2017 at 10:40:43 AM UTC-7, John Robertson wrote:
> On 2017/07/17 7:42 AM, Jim Thompson wrote: > > Californica solar requirements screw all... > > > >
<https://townhall.com/columnists/brucebialosky/2017/07/16/california-requires-solar-panels-on-all-homes-and-windmills-on-all-farms-n2354430>
> > > > "What has not been widely discussed in the press &ndash; and buried in the > > details of the bill &ndash; is that all new homes and _all_homes_sold_ must > > have solar panels as their source of energy." > > > > Note that "_all_homes_sold_" >:-} > > > > You're all screwed. > > > > ...Jim Thompson > > > > This is one part where I have to agree with Jim. > > People say "what is the risk of the following the precautionary > principle" and this is the answer. Overzealous governments bankrupt > their people to solve a problem that may not exist. I'm afraid the > alarmist Cassandras have won this round.
I am half and half. New homes, yes. Resale homes, NO. For new homes, the cost of solar materials are insignificant. Installations and inspections are the main costs anyway. For resale homes, NO WAY.
"John Larkin" <jjlarkin@highland_snip_technology.com> wrote in message 
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> On Mon, 17 Jul 2017 08:37:22 -0700, Jim Thompson > <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> wrote: > >>On Mon, 17 Jul 2017 08:32:11 -0700, John Larkin >><jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> wrote: >> >>>On Mon, 17 Jul 2017 07:42:18 -0700, Jim Thompson >>><To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> wrote: >>> >>>>Californica solar requirements screw all... >>>> >>>><https://townhall.com/columnists/brucebialosky/2017/07/16/california-requires-solar-panels-on-all-homes-and-windmills-on-all-farms-n2354430> >>>> >>>>"What has not been widely discussed in the press - and buried in the >>>>details of the bill - is that all new homes and _all_homes_sold_ must >>>>have solar panels as their source of energy." >>>> >>>>Note that "_all_homes_sold_" >:-} >>>> >>>>You're all screwed. >>>> >>>> ...Jim Thompson >>> >>>Not unless I decide to sell and buy something else, and that's >>>unlikely. >> >>Sooner, or later, you won't be with us, and the house will be sold... >>your heirs will bear the cost. >> >> ...Jim Thompson > > It will sell for at least 5x what we paid for it. They'll do OK. > > And can't you get solar on one of those no-cost deals? > > > --
"no-cost" ???.