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OT: More Win7 Crap

Started by Jim Thompson September 13, 2015
On Sun, 13 Sep 2015 16:21:34 -0700, Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com>
wrote:

>On 2015-09-13 1:37 PM, Jim Thompson wrote: >> OT: More Win7 Crap... >> >> Periodically I'm getting "Some printing features are currently >> unavailable", or some phrase similar to that. >> >> Like, I can print to my hp Laser Jet P2015dn, but not be able to >> select double-sided ?? >> > >My impression is that Windows 7 causes a lot of things to "periodically" >misbehave. Happens a lot here. > > >> Never happened with WinXP. >> > >That was clearly the better OS. IMHO the last known good Windows version. > > >> Any idea of the cause? >> > >Yes, but this would result in a major rant :-) > >And I am not even going to touch Windows 10 with a 10ft pole.
I've been very happy with my two new Dells with Win7. They are fast, stable, quiet, and, after some bashing, very XP looking. I did have to fetch a new HP printer driver. It took about 40 minutes to install, hung at 99% done, then aborted with a timeout error message. After a reboot, the printer works file. I guess 99% of a driver is all it needs. But no way will I consider Win 10. Or allowing auto upgrades on 7.
On 14/09/15 07:41, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
> On Sun, 13 Sep 2015 14:16:27 -0700, Jim Thompson > <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> wrote: > >> The "universal" driver is what I am using. This weirdness only occurs >> once in a while :-( >> Most of the time "duplex" is available and functional. >> ...Jim Thompson > > Well, weirdness is difficult to duplicate. My guess(tm), per a > previous conversation, is that your P2015dn printer is not the best > that HP ever produced. Most of the printers from that series which > I've worked on were initially intermittent and eventually failed due > to crappy soldering of the big BGA chip on the formatter card. I've > baked a few of those with mixed results. > <http://802.11junk.com/jeffl/pics/repair/BGA%20reflow/slides/HP%20P2015dn%20formatter.html> > Only one out of the two in the photo eventually worked. > > What methinks is happening with yours is that before printing, the > computah is interrogating the printer for a feature list. If it finds > some feature active in the Windoze driver configuration, but not > available in the printer feature list, it proclaims a paradox and > produces a useless and non-specific error message. This is only a > guess(tm).
I think it's a pretty good guess. My understanding of the way this works is that printer "discovery" uses the Bonjour protocol. This is an extension of DNS, also known as DNS-SD (Service Discovery). DNS operates on port 57, UDP. A DNSSD request is crafted saying "Any printers out there near me?" and is broadcast on the LAN. The protocol allows you to construct complex queries, like "I need a printer that does duplex color in A3", but I don't think Windows generally does that. It does use those same attributes to categorise the responses. The DNSSD request is met (most probably) by a DNSSD service running (in your case) in your computer. This will have gathered the info by using SNMP or some other protocol when you configured the printer; the printer itself is unlikely to provide DNSSD. Anyhow, no solutions here, but you can see some reasons why it's flakey. Microsoft seem so like these flakey protocols; ever since NetBIOS; the "browse master" protocol cause unlimited mayhem for decades. But perhaps I've suggested some things to scrutinise using Wireshark (DNS and SNMP) ... assuming you actually want to fix this. Clifford Heah.
On 9/13/2015 7:31 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
> On Sun, 13 Sep 2015 17:42:12 -0400, Martin Riddle > <martin_rid@verizon.net> wrote: > >> The LaserJet pro 400 m401n is on sale this month. >> But theres no duplexer. So no gain. > > Retch. > > This is what I'm pushing this week: > <http://www.staples.com/Brother-EMF7365DN-Mono-Refurbished-Laser-All-in-One-Printer/product_1566801?akamai-feo=off> > $100 for everything in one box (AIO). > > Replacement toner carts are down to about $8.00 on eBay. > <http://www.ebay.com/itm/171615587377> > > No Wi-Fi. Print quality is tolerable. Associated software is > bloated and complex, but quite reliable. Replacing the imager drum is > giant PITA. User support is a bad joke. Parts can be found, but not > easily. If you want reliability, buy a spare printer. At $100/ea, > you can't lose.
I have one of the most reliable printers on the market. Kinkos. Only trouble is they are 25 miles away. My daily commute is only 25 feet, but this would be a lousy drive to my printer bay. -- Rick
On Sun, 13 Sep 2015 20:40:11 -0400, the renowned rickman
<gnuarm@gmail.com> wrote:

> >I have one of the most reliable printers on the market. Kinkos. Only >trouble is they are 25 miles away. My daily commute is only 25 feet, >but this would be a lousy drive to my printer bay. > >-- > >Rick
They've been called Fedex Office for quite a few years now (decision to drop the Kinko's was made in 2008). About 4.5 miles to the local one for me (open 24/7) but I can't really justify not having a few printers around. When I had a couple hundred manuals to print up it was worth the trip. --sp -- Best regards, Spehro Pefhany Amazon link for AoE 3rd Edition: http://tinyurl.com/ntrpwu8 Microchip link for 2015 Masters in Phoenix: http://tinyurl.com/l7g2k48
On Sun, 13 Sep 2015 20:40:11 -0400, rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> wrote:

>I have one of the most reliable printers on the market. Kinkos. Only >trouble is they are 25 miles away. My daily commute is only 25 feet, >but this would be a lousy drive to my printer bay.
My palatial office is located in a building with 4 other businesses, 3 of which are loaded with plotters, wide format printers, and high speed scanners. For a time, my office was also full of these. Then, I thought it best to sell my collection, and use the big printers at the neighbors as needed. Allegedly, I supply my own media, but since it's a major project to change a giant roll of paper, I just trade for ocassional computer work. -- Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com 150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558
On 9/13/2015 9:12 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
> On Sun, 13 Sep 2015 20:40:11 -0400, rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> wrote: > >> I have one of the most reliable printers on the market. Kinkos. Only >> trouble is they are 25 miles away. My daily commute is only 25 feet, >> but this would be a lousy drive to my printer bay. > > My palatial office is located in a building with 4 other businesses, 3 > of which are loaded with plotters, wide format printers, and high > speed scanners. For a time, my office was also full of these. Then, > I thought it best to sell my collection, and use the big printers at > the neighbors as needed. Allegedly, I supply my own media, but since > it's a major project to change a giant roll of paper, I just trade for > ocassional computer work.
Yeah, OPP, (other people's printers). -- Rick
On Sun, 13 Sep 2015 16:50:22 -0700, Jim Thompson
<To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> wrote:

>I killed the nag and uninstalled and "hid" the "update" which re-nags. > ...Jim Thompson
Update = free Upgrade = paid Note that Microsoft calls it a Free Upgrade, which has all the characteristics of an oxymoron. I found a new oddity with the Win 10 Upgrade. It's a Win 8.1 machine where the owner had started the Upgrade process, but changed his mind before anything was downloaded. The install did not start. So, I uninstalled KB3035583. I then had Win 8.1 scan for updates, and set KB3035583 to hidden. Then, a reboot just for fun. When I went back into Windoze Update, and checked the "Installed Updates", KB3035583 was gone. So far so good. However, when I again scanned for updates, KB3035583 magically reappears on the list of optional updates. I initially didn't notice but when it tried to download 3 GBytes of stuff, I aborted. I've repeated this about 4 times (on one machine) to verify that I'm not doing something wrong. I guess KB3035583 is a zombie that doesn't want to stay dead (or hidden). You will be upgraded. Resistance if futile. -- Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com 150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558
On Sun, 13 Sep 2015 14:16:27 -0700, Jim Thompson
<To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> Gave us:

>The "universal" driver is what I am using. This weirdness only occurs >once in a while :-( > >Most of the time "duplex" is available and functional. > > ...Jim Thompson
Operator induced. There was also once a time in which you actually knew how to perform and execute a google search. Have another glass of wine. Ask folks here. They'll surely hold your hand for you. They'll even pick up the bar of soap when you drop it.
On Sun, 13 Sep 2015 17:36:34 -0400, Martin Riddle
<martin_rid@verizon.net> Gave us:

>On Sun, 13 Sep 2015 13:37:03 -0700, Jim Thompson ><To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> wrote: > >>OT: More Win7 Crap... >> >>Periodically I'm getting "Some printing features are currently >>unavailable", or some phrase similar to that. >> >>Like, I can print to my hp Laser Jet P2015dn, but not be able to >>select double-sided ?? >> >>Never happened with WinXP. >> >>Any idea of the cause? >> >> ...Jim Thompson > >You can look in the Eventviewer and see exactly what the error is. >Might give everyone more information. > >Cheers
Jim being helpful? Right... Between the Donald Trump like narcissismic (my word) horseshit and the wine, the old bastard can barely work things out on a single machine, much less report what he did, or info related to the actual cause. Jim needing help? That hits the nail on the head, and for various and sundry reasons. Mainly though..... he is full of himself. That's what the stench is.
On Sun, 13 Sep 2015 17:38:16 -0400, rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> Gave us:

>On 9/13/2015 4:37 PM, Jim Thompson wrote: >> OT: More Win7 Crap... >> >> Periodically I'm getting "Some printing features are currently >> unavailable", or some phrase similar to that. >> >> Like, I can print to my hp Laser Jet P2015dn, but not be able to >> select double-sided ?? >> >> Never happened with WinXP. >> >> Any idea of the cause? > >Most likely it has something to do with the printer. Get rid of the >printer and you won't have this problem.
Jeez... you're right.. The damned thing is ancient and monochrome. Costco has a full color laser jet muti-function print,fax,scan job that is sweet for less than $450. NICE family photo output. His POS is still like $800 used because it is so old. And no color? Wow.... neanderthal mentality and practice. And here I thought it was just in Usenet.