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Started by John Larkin February 26, 2015
On Saturday, February 28, 2015 at 2:01:11 PM UTC-5, John Larkin wrote:
> On Sat, 28 Feb 2015 08:35:04 -0800 (PST), > bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com wrote: > > >On Saturday, February 28, 2015 at 11:13:23 AM UTC-5, John S wrote: > >> On 2/28/2015 6:49 AM, Phil Hobbs wrote: > >> > The 7th planet (Uranus) was discovered in the 18th century. > >> > > >> > Cheers > >> > > >> > Phil Hobbs > >> > > >> > (Stuck in Plano after an ice storm that we wouldn't even notice in > >> > NY--there's only one sander truck in the entire great state of > >> > Texas) > >> > >> 1. Your comment about sander trucks is false, probably due to your lack > >> of knowledge. > >> > >> 2. Since you wouldn't notice the ice storm, get your ass out there and > >> get yourself gone from Plano. We will appreciate that, considering your > >> disrespect for not only Texas, but Plano as well. You expect to be > >> catered to everywhere you go? You deserve no respect. > > > >Looks like one of those mall-centric places where people get stuck in traffic jams going to work, shopping at the mall, then going home to their tract home to "exist" for the remainder of the day. This cycle repeats day in and day out, day in and day out, day in and day out... > > Where do you live, Fred? Is it nice? Is every day a new adventure? > > > -- > > John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc > picosecond timing laser drivers and controllers > > jlarkin att highlandtechnology dott com > http://www.highlandtechnology.com
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On 2/28/2015 2:09 PM, bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com wrote:
> On Saturday, February 28, 2015 at 2:46:55 PM UTC-5, John S wrote: >> On 2/28/2015 1:29 PM, Phil Hobbs wrote: >>> On 2/28/2015 11:13 AM, John S wrote: >>>> On 2/28/2015 6:49 AM, Phil Hobbs wrote: >>>>> The 7th planet (Uranus) was discovered in the 18th century. >>>>> >>>>> Cheers >>>>> >>>>> Phil Hobbs >>>>> >>>>> (Stuck in Plano after an ice storm that we wouldn't even >>>>> notice in NY--there's only one sander truck in the entire >>>>> great state of Texas) >>>> >>>> 1. Your comment about sander trucks is false, probably due to >>>> your lack of knowledge. >>>> >>>> 2. Since you wouldn't notice the ice storm, get your ass out >>>> there and get yourself gone from Plano. We will appreciate >>>> that, considering your disrespect for not only Texas, but Plano >>>> as well. You expect to be catered to everywhere you go? You >>>> deserve no respect. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> That little bit of ice getting you down, John? >> >> Yes, but that's normal down here where we don't normally have >> worry about salt degrading our cars and other things. Winter is not >> a novelty, but ice and snow are, thank goodness. >> >>> It's sort of cute the way everybody south of about Kansas gets >>> all in a flutter about a bit of ice, as though winter were a >>> novelty. In the Northeast they just plough, salt, and sand the >>> daylights out of it and life goes on pretty well normally. >>> Atlanta has one of the busiest airports in the world, and they >>> get shut down probably 2 days per year for what (by NE USA >>> standards) is a tiny bit of snow. The cost of that is >>> *astronomical*. >> >> Yes, and even though you have all that equipment, salt, and >> personnel to deal with it, you still have the penalty of the >> *astronomical* costs. >> >>> It seems as though nobody has done the math as to what losing a >>> day or two's worth of everybody's work per year actually costs. >>> A few thousand sander trucks would be *cheap* by comparison. >>> (Maybe they're worried that their drivers wouldn't get enough >>> practice, so they'd be a bit of a menace to navigation.) >> >> I think maybe they have. That's why, given our climate, it is not >> prudent to provide salt, sand and plows just for your unwelcome >> visit. >> >>> Hope you feel better soon! >> >> I feel fine. It is you who is bitchy about our weather. Go home >> soon. >> >>> Cheers >>> >>> Phil Hobbs >>> > > Well that's just it: anything at all out of the unbelievably > monotonous ordinary and everyone goes crazy... >
Like you, for example. Get help.
On Saturday, February 28, 2015 at 3:26:13 PM UTC-5, John S wrote:
> On 2/28/2015 2:09 PM, bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com wrote: > > On Saturday, February 28, 2015 at 2:46:55 PM UTC-5, John S wrote: > >> On 2/28/2015 1:29 PM, Phil Hobbs wrote: > >>> On 2/28/2015 11:13 AM, John S wrote: > >>>> On 2/28/2015 6:49 AM, Phil Hobbs wrote: > >>>>> The 7th planet (Uranus) was discovered in the 18th century. > >>>>> > >>>>> Cheers > >>>>> > >>>>> Phil Hobbs > >>>>> > >>>>> (Stuck in Plano after an ice storm that we wouldn't even > >>>>> notice in NY--there's only one sander truck in the entire > >>>>> great state of Texas) > >>>> > >>>> 1. Your comment about sander trucks is false, probably due to > >>>> your lack of knowledge. > >>>> > >>>> 2. Since you wouldn't notice the ice storm, get your ass out > >>>> there and get yourself gone from Plano. We will appreciate > >>>> that, considering your disrespect for not only Texas, but Plano > >>>> as well. You expect to be catered to everywhere you go? You > >>>> deserve no respect. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>> > >>> That little bit of ice getting you down, John? > >> > >> Yes, but that's normal down here where we don't normally have > >> worry about salt degrading our cars and other things. Winter is not > >> a novelty, but ice and snow are, thank goodness. > >> > >>> It's sort of cute the way everybody south of about Kansas gets > >>> all in a flutter about a bit of ice, as though winter were a > >>> novelty. In the Northeast they just plough, salt, and sand the > >>> daylights out of it and life goes on pretty well normally. > >>> Atlanta has one of the busiest airports in the world, and they > >>> get shut down probably 2 days per year for what (by NE USA > >>> standards) is a tiny bit of snow. The cost of that is > >>> *astronomical*. > >> > >> Yes, and even though you have all that equipment, salt, and > >> personnel to deal with it, you still have the penalty of the > >> *astronomical* costs. > >> > >>> It seems as though nobody has done the math as to what losing a > >>> day or two's worth of everybody's work per year actually costs. > >>> A few thousand sander trucks would be *cheap* by comparison. > >>> (Maybe they're worried that their drivers wouldn't get enough > >>> practice, so they'd be a bit of a menace to navigation.) > >> > >> I think maybe they have. That's why, given our climate, it is not > >> prudent to provide salt, sand and plows just for your unwelcome > >> visit. > >> > >>> Hope you feel better soon! > >> > >> I feel fine. It is you who is bitchy about our weather. Go home > >> soon. > >> > >>> Cheers > >>> > >>> Phil Hobbs > >>> > > > > Well that's just it: anything at all out of the unbelievably > > monotonous ordinary and everyone goes crazy... > > > > Like you, for example. Get help.
Time to get back to keeping your mind vacant... go on now, like a good little vegetable.
On 2/28/2015 2:47 PM, bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com wrote:
> On Saturday, February 28, 2015 at 3:26:13 PM UTC-5, John S wrote: >> On 2/28/2015 2:09 PM, bloggs.fredbloggs.fred@gmail.com wrote: >>> On Saturday, February 28, 2015 at 2:46:55 PM UTC-5, John S wrote: >>>> On 2/28/2015 1:29 PM, Phil Hobbs wrote: >>>>> On 2/28/2015 11:13 AM, John S wrote: >>>>>> On 2/28/2015 6:49 AM, Phil Hobbs wrote: >>>>>>> The 7th planet (Uranus) was discovered in the 18th century. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Cheers >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Phil Hobbs >>>>>>> >>>>>>> (Stuck in Plano after an ice storm that we wouldn't even >>>>>>> notice in NY--there's only one sander truck in the entire >>>>>>> great state of Texas) >>>>>> >>>>>> 1. Your comment about sander trucks is false, probably due to >>>>>> your lack of knowledge. >>>>>> >>>>>> 2. Since you wouldn't notice the ice storm, get your ass out >>>>>> there and get yourself gone from Plano. We will appreciate >>>>>> that, considering your disrespect for not only Texas, but Plano >>>>>> as well. You expect to be catered to everywhere you go? You >>>>>> deserve no respect. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> That little bit of ice getting you down, John? >>>> >>>> Yes, but that's normal down here where we don't normally have >>>> worry about salt degrading our cars and other things. Winter is not >>>> a novelty, but ice and snow are, thank goodness. >>>> >>>>> It's sort of cute the way everybody south of about Kansas gets >>>>> all in a flutter about a bit of ice, as though winter were a >>>>> novelty. In the Northeast they just plough, salt, and sand the >>>>> daylights out of it and life goes on pretty well normally. >>>>> Atlanta has one of the busiest airports in the world, and they >>>>> get shut down probably 2 days per year for what (by NE USA >>>>> standards) is a tiny bit of snow. The cost of that is >>>>> *astronomical*. >>>> >>>> Yes, and even though you have all that equipment, salt, and >>>> personnel to deal with it, you still have the penalty of the >>>> *astronomical* costs. >>>> >>>>> It seems as though nobody has done the math as to what losing a >>>>> day or two's worth of everybody's work per year actually costs. >>>>> A few thousand sander trucks would be *cheap* by comparison. >>>>> (Maybe they're worried that their drivers wouldn't get enough >>>>> practice, so they'd be a bit of a menace to navigation.) >>>> >>>> I think maybe they have. That's why, given our climate, it is not >>>> prudent to provide salt, sand and plows just for your unwelcome >>>> visit. >>>> >>>>> Hope you feel better soon! >>>> >>>> I feel fine. It is you who is bitchy about our weather. Go home >>>> soon. >>>> >>>>> Cheers >>>>> >>>>> Phil Hobbs >>>>> >>> >>> Well that's just it: anything at all out of the unbelievably >>> monotonous ordinary and everyone goes crazy... >>> >> >> Like you, for example. Get help. > > Time to get back to keeping your mind vacant... go on now, like a good little vegetable. >
Fred, you are just a wart on the ass of mankind. Try to find a hobby different from your present one.
On Sat, 28 Feb 2015 14:29:22 -0500, Phil Hobbs
<hobbs@electrooptical.net> wrote:

>On 2/28/2015 11:13 AM, John S wrote: >> On 2/28/2015 6:49 AM, Phil Hobbs wrote: >>> The 7th planet (Uranus) was discovered in the 18th century. >>> >>> Cheers >>> >>> Phil Hobbs >>> >>> (Stuck in Plano after an ice storm that we wouldn't even notice in >>> NY--there's only one sander truck in the entire great state of >>> Texas) >> >> 1. Your comment about sander trucks is false, probably due to your lack >> of knowledge. >> >> 2. Since you wouldn't notice the ice storm, get your ass out there and >> get yourself gone from Plano. We will appreciate that, considering your >> disrespect for not only Texas, but Plano as well. You expect to be >> catered to everywhere you go? You deserve no respect. >> >> >> > >That little bit of ice getting you down, John? > >It's sort of cute the way everybody south of about Kansas gets all in a >flutter about a bit of ice, as though winter were a novelty. In the >Northeast they just plough, salt, and sand the daylights out of it and >life goes on pretty well normally. Atlanta has one of the busiest >airports in the world, and they get shut down probably 2 days per year >for what (by NE USA standards) is a tiny bit of snow. The cost of that >is *astronomical*. > >It seems as though nobody has done the math as to what losing a day or >two's worth of everybody's work per year actually costs. A few thousand >sander trucks would be *cheap* by comparison. (Maybe they're worried >that their drivers wouldn't get enough practice, so they'd be a bit of a >menace to navigation.) > >Hope you feel better soon! > >Cheers > >Phil Hobbs
I once got involved in black ice, on a banked railroad overpass in Nashville. Our car, other cars, and a school bus did 360++ motions and slammed into the guard rail. A flatbed with a load of live chickens, in cages, did the same and dumped all the chickens over the side onto the railroad tracks below. Carnage. Then the sand truck showed up, slid sideways, and crushed a car against the guardrail. Someone pointed out that they might have approached backwards, sanding their own path. -- John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc picosecond timing laser drivers and controllers jlarkin att highlandtechnology dott com http://www.highlandtechnology.com
On Sat, 28 Feb 2015 14:29:22 -0500, Phil Hobbs
<hobbs@electrooptical.net> wrote:

>On 2/28/2015 11:13 AM, John S wrote: >> On 2/28/2015 6:49 AM, Phil Hobbs wrote: >>> The 7th planet (Uranus) was discovered in the 18th century. >>> >>> Cheers >>> >>> Phil Hobbs >>> >>> (Stuck in Plano after an ice storm that we wouldn't even notice in >>> NY--there's only one sander truck in the entire great state of >>> Texas) >> >> 1. Your comment about sander trucks is false, probably due to your lack >> of knowledge. >> >> 2. Since you wouldn't notice the ice storm, get your ass out there and >> get yourself gone from Plano. We will appreciate that, considering your >> disrespect for not only Texas, but Plano as well. You expect to be >> catered to everywhere you go? You deserve no respect. >> >> >> > >That little bit of ice getting you down, John? > >It's sort of cute the way everybody south of about Kansas gets all in a >flutter about a bit of ice, as though winter were a novelty. In the >Northeast they just plough, salt, and sand the daylights out of it and >life goes on pretty well normally.
I loved watching my car dissolve.
>Atlanta has one of the busiest >airports in the world, and they get shut down probably 2 days per year >for what (by NE USA standards) is a tiny bit of snow. The cost of that >is *astronomical*.
Two *days* a year? Hardly. Maybe closed for an hour or two on two days a year. It's more like once every other year, on average.
>It seems as though nobody has done the math as to what losing a day or >two's worth of everybody's work per year actually costs. A few thousand >sander trucks would be *cheap* by comparison. (Maybe they're worried >that their drivers wouldn't get enough practice, so they'd be a bit of a >menace to navigation.)
You got that right! I'd have no trouble getting around in the worst weather if it weren't for the other *NUTS* on the road. Every time it rains it's like playing carroms on the roads. That said, Atlanta and GDOT learned from last year and invested in a handful of plows and brine equipment.
On 2/28/2015 8:39 PM, krw@attt.bizz wrote:
> On Sat, 28 Feb 2015 14:29:22 -0500, Phil Hobbs > <hobbs@electrooptical.net> wrote: > >> On 2/28/2015 11:13 AM, John S wrote: >>> On 2/28/2015 6:49 AM, Phil Hobbs wrote: >>>> The 7th planet (Uranus) was discovered in the 18th century. >>>> >>>> Cheers >>>> >>>> Phil Hobbs >>>> >>>> (Stuck in Plano after an ice storm that we wouldn't even notice >>>> in NY--there's only one sander truck in the entire great state >>>> of Texas) >>> >>> 1. Your comment about sander trucks is false, probably due to >>> your lack of knowledge. >>> >>> 2. Since you wouldn't notice the ice storm, get your ass out >>> there and get yourself gone from Plano. We will appreciate that, >>> considering your disrespect for not only Texas, but Plano as >>> well. You expect to be catered to everywhere you go? You deserve >>> no respect. >>> >>> >>> >> >> That little bit of ice getting you down, John? >> >> It's sort of cute the way everybody south of about Kansas gets all >> in a flutter about a bit of ice, as though winter were a novelty. >> In the Northeast they just plough, salt, and sand the daylights out >> of it and life goes on pretty well normally. > > I loved watching my car dissolve.
That was back in what, the 1960s? When I traded in my last car, it was old enough to drive itself (17+ years), and had no visible body rust despite being driven all winter and parked outside through its entire life. (My garage was and remains full of irreplaceable technical items.) ;)
> >> Atlanta has one of the busiest airports in the world, and they get >> shut down probably 2 days per year for what (by NE USA standards) >> is a tiny bit of snow. The cost of that is *astronomical*. > > Two *days* a year? Hardly. Maybe closed for an hour or two on two > days a year. It's more like once every other year, on average.
You're in Florida. Plano TX is right under the armpit of Oklahoma, in the southern plains. 'Tain't the same thing atall, atall, atall. Getting stuck in ATL in a minor snowstorm isn't an hour or two gig, I assure you (BTDT).
> >> It seems as though nobody has done the math as to what losing a day >> or two's worth of everybody's work per year actually costs. A few >> thousand sander trucks would be *cheap* by comparison. (Maybe >> they're worried that their drivers wouldn't get enough practice, so >> they'd be a bit of a menace to navigation.) > > You got that right! I'd have no trouble getting around in the worst > weather if it weren't for the other *NUTS* on the road. Every time > it rains it's like playing carroms on the roads. > > That said, Atlanta and GDOT learned from last year and invested in a > handful of plows and brine equipment.
I hope so. Stupid not to, though of course brine is a very inefficient way to apply salt--it runs off as soon as there's the suggestion of a thaw, for a start. Sand and calcium chloride for my money, or sand and rock salt in a pinch. Cheers Phil Hobbs -- Dr Philip C D Hobbs Principal Consultant ElectroOptical Innovations LLC Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics 160 North State Road #203 Briarcliff Manor NY 10510 hobbs at electrooptical dot net http://electrooptical.net
On 2/28/2015 6:18 PM, John Larkin wrote:
> On Sat, 28 Feb 2015 14:29:22 -0500, Phil Hobbs > <hobbs@electrooptical.net> wrote: > >> On 2/28/2015 11:13 AM, John S wrote: >>> On 2/28/2015 6:49 AM, Phil Hobbs wrote: >>>> The 7th planet (Uranus) was discovered in the 18th century. >>>> >>>> Cheers >>>> >>>> Phil Hobbs >>>> >>>> (Stuck in Plano after an ice storm that we wouldn't even notice in >>>> NY--there's only one sander truck in the entire great state of >>>> Texas) >>> >>> 1. Your comment about sander trucks is false, probably due to your lack >>> of knowledge. >>> >>> 2. Since you wouldn't notice the ice storm, get your ass out there and >>> get yourself gone from Plano. We will appreciate that, considering your >>> disrespect for not only Texas, but Plano as well. You expect to be >>> catered to everywhere you go? You deserve no respect. >>> >>> >>> >> >> That little bit of ice getting you down, John? >> >> It's sort of cute the way everybody south of about Kansas gets all in a >> flutter about a bit of ice, as though winter were a novelty. In the >> Northeast they just plough, salt, and sand the daylights out of it and >> life goes on pretty well normally. Atlanta has one of the busiest >> airports in the world, and they get shut down probably 2 days per year >> for what (by NE USA standards) is a tiny bit of snow. The cost of that >> is *astronomical*. >> >> It seems as though nobody has done the math as to what losing a day or >> two's worth of everybody's work per year actually costs. A few thousand >> sander trucks would be *cheap* by comparison. (Maybe they're worried >> that their drivers wouldn't get enough practice, so they'd be a bit of a >> menace to navigation.) >> >> Hope you feel better soon! >> >> Cheers >> >> Phil Hobbs > > I once got involved in black ice, on a banked railroad overpass in > Nashville. Our car, other cars, and a school bus did 360++ motions and > slammed into the guard rail. A flatbed with a load of live chickens, > in cages, did the same and dumped all the chickens over the side onto > the railroad tracks below. Carnage. Then the sand truck showed up, > slid sideways, and crushed a car against the guardrail. Someone > pointed out that they might have approached backwards, sanding their > own path. > >
Or just use tire chains, like ours. ;) Cheers Phil Hobbs -- Dr Philip C D Hobbs Principal Consultant ElectroOptical Innovations LLC Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics 160 North State Road #203 Briarcliff Manor NY 10510 hobbs at electrooptical dot net http://electrooptical.net
On Sat, 28 Feb 2015 21:02:43 -0500, Phil Hobbs
<hobbs@electrooptical.net> wrote:

>On 2/28/2015 8:39 PM, krw@attt.bizz wrote: >> On Sat, 28 Feb 2015 14:29:22 -0500, Phil Hobbs >> <hobbs@electrooptical.net> wrote: >> >>> On 2/28/2015 11:13 AM, John S wrote: >>>> On 2/28/2015 6:49 AM, Phil Hobbs wrote: >>>>> The 7th planet (Uranus) was discovered in the 18th century. >>>>> >>>>> Cheers >>>>> >>>>> Phil Hobbs >>>>> >>>>> (Stuck in Plano after an ice storm that we wouldn't even notice >>>>> in NY--there's only one sander truck in the entire great state >>>>> of Texas) >>>> >>>> 1. Your comment about sander trucks is false, probably due to >>>> your lack of knowledge. >>>> >>>> 2. Since you wouldn't notice the ice storm, get your ass out >>>> there and get yourself gone from Plano. We will appreciate that, >>>> considering your disrespect for not only Texas, but Plano as >>>> well. You expect to be catered to everywhere you go? You deserve >>>> no respect. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> That little bit of ice getting you down, John? >>> >>> It's sort of cute the way everybody south of about Kansas gets all >>> in a flutter about a bit of ice, as though winter were a novelty. >>> In the Northeast they just plough, salt, and sand the daylights out >>> of it and life goes on pretty well normally. >> >> I loved watching my car dissolve. > >That was back in what, the 1960s?
No, '00s. We moved from Vermont in '06 (then spent a year in NE Ohio).
>When I traded in my last car, it was >old enough to drive itself (17+ years), and had no visible body rust >despite being driven all winter and parked outside through its entire >life. (My garage was and remains full of irreplaceable technical items.) ;)
The rear springs of my '01 Ranger rotted completely off. Well, the springs were fine but the frame where the springs attached was gone. They were just sitting on the frame. I bought a new truck the next week (and it sat in the garage). This was 18mos ago, or so.
>> >>> Atlanta has one of the busiest airports in the world, and they get >>> shut down probably 2 days per year for what (by NE USA standards) >>> is a tiny bit of snow. The cost of that is *astronomical*. >> >> Two *days* a year? Hardly. Maybe closed for an hour or two on two >> days a year. It's more like once every other year, on average. > >You're in Florida. Plano TX is right under the armpit of Oklahoma, in >the southern plains. 'Tain't the same thing atall, atall, atall. >Getting stuck in ATL in a minor snowstorm isn't an hour or two gig, I >assure you (BTDT).
Huh? I live about 20 minutes South of Hartsfield-Jackson Airport. The weather there isn't a whole lot diff rent than it is in my driveway. ;-)
>>> It seems as though nobody has done the math as to what losing a day >>> or two's worth of everybody's work per year actually costs. A few >>> thousand sander trucks would be *cheap* by comparison. (Maybe >>> they're worried that their drivers wouldn't get enough practice, so >>> they'd be a bit of a menace to navigation.) >> >> You got that right! I'd have no trouble getting around in the worst >> weather if it weren't for the other *NUTS* on the road. Every time >> it rains it's like playing carroms on the roads. >> >> That said, Atlanta and GDOT learned from last year and invested in a >> handful of plows and brine equipment. > >I hope so. Stupid not to, though of course brine is a very inefficient >way to apply salt--it runs off as soon as there's the suggestion of a >thaw, for a start. Sand and calcium chloride for my money, or sand and >rock salt in a pinch.
It's actually the perfect solution for the problem. They pre-treat the roads with it so ice doesn't accumulate in the first place. The roads are generally pretty warm (frost line is less than 6") and it doesn't take much to keep them clear. Calcium Chloride is overkill and way too expensive. It's great for Vermont (though too expensive to put on roads). Georgia? Please!
On Saturday, February 28, 2015 at 12:09:08 PM UTC-8, bloggs.fred...@gmail.com wrote:

(cross-sniping elided)

> Well that's just it: anything at all out of the unbelievably monotonous > ordinary and everyone goes crazy...
S'funny. When it rains in PHX AZ (three, four times a year) everybody forgets how to drive (including snowbirds if they've been there more than a week). Here in the Great Northwet everyone forgets how to drive when it doesn't rain (also three,four times a year). Mark L. Fergerson