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Started by John Larkin February 12, 2015
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/02/12/musk_to_unveil_home_storage_battery/



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"John Larkin" <jlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> wrote in message 
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> > http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/02/12/musk_to_unveil_home_storage_battery/ > > > > -- > > John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc > picosecond timing laser drivers and controllers > > jlarkin att highlandtechnology dott com > http://www.highlandtechnology.com >
Should make for some interesting house fires.
On Thu, 12 Feb 2015 19:11:46 -0800, John Larkin
<jlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> wrote:

>http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/02/12/musk_to_unveil_home_storage_battery/
The article doesn't offer any clues as to the technology offered. My wild guess(tm) is that it's something like this water based organic battery: <https://news.usc.edu/64612/usc-scientists-plug-in-to-a-new-battery-thats-cheap-clean-rechargeable-and-organic/> -- Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com 150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558
On 13/02/2015 2:11 PM, John Larkin wrote:
> > http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/02/12/musk_to_unveil_home_storage_battery/ > > >
" that could compete with the National Grid as a power source," Someone doesn't understand what "storage" means. Sylvia.
On Thu, 12 Feb 2015 19:51:25 -0800, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>
wrote:

>On Thu, 12 Feb 2015 19:11:46 -0800, John Larkin ><jlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> wrote: > >>http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/02/12/musk_to_unveil_home_storage_battery/ > >The article doesn't offer any clues as to the technology offered. My >wild guess(tm) is that it's something like this water based organic >battery: ><https://news.usc.edu/64612/usc-scientists-plug-in-to-a-new-battery-thats-cheap-clean-rechargeable-and-organic/>
It's probably going to use Musk's lithium ion batteries. http://www.forbes.com/sites/uciliawang/2013/11/05/tesla-considers-building-the-worlds-biggest-lithium-ion-battery-factory/ http://www.nbcnews.com/tech/innovation/elon-musk-wants-tesla-batteries-power-homes-n305071 I suspect that most of the Musk ventures will eventually crash. The Tesla may well go the way of the PT Cruiser. "Everybody who wanted one had one." -- John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc picosecond timing laser drivers and controllers jlarkin att highlandtechnology dott com http://www.highlandtechnology.com
On Thursday, February 12, 2015 at 10:51:36 PM UTC-5, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
> On Thu, 12 Feb 2015 19:11:46 -0800, John Larkin wrote: > > >http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/02/12/musk_to_unveil_home_storage_battery/ > > The article doesn't offer any clues as to the technology offered. My > wild guess(tm) is that it's something like this water based organic > battery: > <https://news.usc.edu/64612/usc-scientists-plug-in-to-a-new-battery-thats-cheap-clean-rechargeable-and-organic/>
Musk is busily making the biggest LiIon factory on the planet, if that's any clue. Cheers, James Arthur
On 2/13/2015 12:36 AM, dagmargoodboat@yahoo.com wrote:
> On Thursday, February 12, 2015 at 10:51:36 PM UTC-5, Jeff Liebermann wrote: >> On Thu, 12 Feb 2015 19:11:46 -0800, John Larkin wrote: >> >>> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/02/12/musk_to_unveil_home_storage_battery/ >> >> The article doesn't offer any clues as to the technology offered. My >> wild guess(tm) is that it's something like this water based organic >> battery: >> <https://news.usc.edu/64612/usc-scientists-plug-in-to-a-new-battery-thats-cheap-clean-rechargeable-and-organic/> > > Musk is busily making the biggest LiIon factory on the planet, if that's any clue.
When I read this I thought about the factor of scale a bit and it occurred to me that while other life in the universe may well be very different from our own because of any number of small differences in their environment. But it is very likely they have the same LiIon batteries because chemistry and physics are universal constants. So Musk's factory is likely *not* the largest LiIon battery factory in the universe. Reminds me of a joke... a picture of a city block with a number of pizza shops... 1st one has a sign in the window that says, "Best Pizza in the city"... 2nd one has a large sign in the window that says, "Best Pizza in the State!"... 3rd one has a large sign on top of the building that says, "Best Pizza in the WORLD!!!"... last one has a tiny sign in the window that says, "best pizza on the block"... -- Rick
On 2/13/2015 12:09 AM, Kevin McMurtrie wrote:
> In article <ck5b0cFru6hU1@mid.individual.net>, > Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> wrote: > >> On 13/02/2015 2:11 PM, John Larkin wrote: >>> >>> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/02/12/musk_to_unveil_home_storage_battery/ >>> >>> >>> >> >> " that could compete with the National Grid as a power source," >> >> Someone doesn't understand what "storage" means. >> >> Sylvia. > > Elon Musk has plans to build both battery and solar cell > "gigafactories." It's only natural to combine the two into a product > for disconnecting from the grid, while also preventing an electric grid > meltdown if everybody drove electric cars. Combined markets of > ecological fanatics, gadget fanatics, and those without reliable power > probably adds up to a large enough early-adopter market to start the > business.
Will any of that get me decent Internet access? -- Rick
On Friday, February 13, 2015 at 12:56:39 AM UTC-5, rickman wrote:
> On 2/13/2015 12:36 AM, dagmargoo...@yahoo.com wrote: > > On Thursday, February 12, 2015 at 10:51:36 PM UTC-5, Jeff Liebermann wrote: > >> On Thu, 12 Feb 2015 19:11:46 -0800, John Larkin wrote: > >> > >>> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/02/12/musk_to_unveil_home_storage_battery/ > >> > >> The article doesn't offer any clues as to the technology offered. My > >> wild guess(tm) is that it's something like this water based organic > >> battery: > >> <https://news.usc.edu/64612/usc-scientists-plug-in-to-a-new-battery-thats-cheap-clean-rechargeable-and-organic/> > > > > Musk is busily making the biggest LiIon factory on the planet, if that's any clue. > > When I read this I thought about the factor of scale a bit and it > occurred to me that while other life in the universe may well be very > different from our own because of any number of small differences in > their environment. But it is very likely they have the same LiIon > batteries because chemistry and physics are universal constants. > > So Musk's factory is likely *not* the largest LiIon battery factory in > the universe. > > Reminds me of a joke... a picture of a city block with a number of pizza > shops... 1st one has a sign in the window that says, "Best Pizza in the > city"... 2nd one has a large sign in the window that says, "Best Pizza > in the State!"... 3rd one has a large sign on top of the building that > says, "Best Pizza in the WORLD!!!"... last one has a tiny sign in the > window that says, "best pizza on the block"...
But was it a LiIon pizza? Cheers, James Arthur
On 13/02/2015 4:09 PM, Kevin McMurtrie wrote:
> In article <ck5b0cFru6hU1@mid.individual.net>, > Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> wrote: > >> On 13/02/2015 2:11 PM, John Larkin wrote: >>> >>> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/02/12/musk_to_unveil_home_storage_battery/ >>> >>> >>> >> >> " that could compete with the National Grid as a power source," >> >> Someone doesn't understand what "storage" means. >> >> Sylvia. > > Elon Musk has plans to build both battery and solar cell > "gigafactories." It's only natural to combine the two into a product > for disconnecting from the grid
People won't disconnect from the grid though, because there will always be times when there's been insufficient sunshine. People will expect to use the grid as backup. The grid will have to charge a lot to allow people to use it as a generator of last resort, and that will make the economics of solar plus batteries even less attractive than they already are. Sylvia.