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OT: Printing from Windows 7 via SMC Barricade router?

Started by Joerg January 6, 2015
Folks,

Did everything in the book. Configured it via a TCP/IP port because the
SMC software will not run on Windows 7 Professional 64-bit. This direct
method generally works also on machines with other OS'es. Since Windows
7 is seriously dumbed down there are zero error messages and the
so-called troubleshooter finds nothing. If I print to the connected
printer it all disappears somewhere in lalaland.

Did anyone make the SMC Barricade printer port work with Windows 7? If
yes I'd appreciate some hints on where to apply the hammer.

-- 
Regards, Joerg

http://www.analogconsultants.com/
On 1/6/2015 5:19 PM, Joerg wrote:
> Folks, > > Did everything in the book. Configured it via a TCP/IP port because the > SMC software will not run on Windows 7 Professional 64-bit. This direct > method generally works also on machines with other OS'es. Since Windows > 7 is seriously dumbed down there are zero error messages and the > so-called troubleshooter finds nothing. If I print to the connected > printer it all disappears somewhere in lalaland. > > Did anyone make the SMC Barricade printer port work with Windows 7? If > yes I'd appreciate some hints on where to apply the hammer. >
publish the answer when you get it working. i've got one of those too.
On Tue, 06 Jan 2015 17:19:18 -0800, Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com>
wrote:

>Folks, > >Did everything in the book. Configured it via a TCP/IP port because the >SMC software will not run on Windows 7 Professional 64-bit. This direct >method generally works also on machines with other OS'es. Since Windows >7 is seriously dumbed down there are zero error messages and the >so-called troubleshooter finds nothing. If I print to the connected >printer it all disappears somewhere in lalaland. > >Did anyone make the SMC Barricade printer port work with Windows 7? If >yes I'd appreciate some hints on where to apply the hammer.
Disable IPV6? I have an old direct jet lan port that works fine with win 7 Cheers
Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com> wrote:
> Configured it via a TCP/IP port because the SMC software will not run > on Windows 7 Professional 64-bit.
For 7 Pro, you can get "XP Mode" as a free download from Microsoft, which is basically XP in a VM. You can probably get the SMC software to run in there, but I don't think the printer it makes will be visible to the "host" Win7. You might be able to share the printer as a network printer from XP and then print to it from Win7, but then you have to have the VM up and running whenever you want to print.
> Since Windows 7 is seriously dumbed down there are zero error messages > and the so-called troubleshooter finds nothing.
Try Event Viewer, which shows you the log files. Click Start and type "Event Viewer" in the search box. (I think the executable is still evntvwr.exe but don't quote me on that.) By default you get a list of about five or six log files; I think maybe Application or System is the one you want. Open it up and look for messages from the Spooler or Print Spooler service. You might also look in the Security or Network log for messages from the firewall.
> If I print to the connected printer it all disappears somewhere in > lalaland.
I know if you set up an HP printer with a JetDirect card, you need to tell Windows to use TCP port 9100. The printer setter upper is smart enough to poke a hole in the Windows firewall for that port. If the SMC box uses some other port, you may need to specify that. You can install Wireshark ( https://www.wireshark.org/ ) on the same PC you're trying to print from. Run it as administrator and try to print something; you can see if any packets for the printer are making it out of your PC at all. If nothing makes it out, look for firewall or IP address problems on the Windows 7 PC. If something makes it out but the SMC box ignores it, see if it's on the right TCP/UDP port, and see what protocol it is - Wireshark should detect most of the common printing protocols. This document http://www.smc.com/en-global/faq/view/5/18/1/1 implies that at least one SMC printer server speaks LPR (an older Unix printing standard) instead of RAW (which is what I think HP printers use). I know Win7 can do raw by default but I don't think it has LPR installed by default. It is available for install though: http://campus.mst.edu/cis/desktop/documentation/pc/win7_x64/lpr_printer/install.htm and after you do this, you should get the option for "LPR port" when you set up a new printer. If you still have an XP box on your network, set up the printer there as a local printer, and then share it on the network. That XP box will have to be up if you want to print, though. If none of this helps, and if the printer you are trying to install is an HP laser (LaserJet 4 or newer), you can probably still find a new or used JetDirect network card to install in the printer. There are network cards for some other makes, but HP is easiest to find. Matt Roberds
On Tue, 06 Jan 2015 17:19:18 -0800, Joerg wrote:

> Folks, > > Did everything in the book. Configured it via a TCP/IP port because the > SMC software will not run on Windows 7 Professional 64-bit. This direct > method generally works also on machines with other OS'es. Since Windows > 7 is seriously dumbed down there are zero error messages and the > so-called troubleshooter finds nothing. If I print to the connected > printer it all disappears somewhere in lalaland. > > Did anyone make the SMC Barricade printer port work with Windows 7? If > yes I'd appreciate some hints on where to apply the hammer.
The solution will find you wanting to apply it to your brain. Probably something very simple like a user group name error or such.
On Tue, 06 Jan 2015 17:56:10 -0800, mike wrote:

> On 1/6/2015 5:19 PM, Joerg wrote: >> Folks, >> >> Did everything in the book. Configured it via a TCP/IP port because the >> SMC software will not run on Windows 7 Professional 64-bit. This direct >> method generally works also on machines with other OS'es. Since Windows >> 7 is seriously dumbed down there are zero error messages and the >> so-called troubleshooter finds nothing. If I print to the connected >> printer it all disappears somewhere in lalaland. >> >> Did anyone make the SMC Barricade printer port work with Windows 7? If >> yes I'd appreciate some hints on where to apply the hammer. >> > publish the answer when you get it working. > i've got one of those too.
Oh look! mike found something that doesn't "just work" in Windows. Always a joy to see you "help out" too. What did you spend all of 5 minutes with yours before you dismissed it as "not working"?
On Wed, 07 Jan 2015 03:56:06 +0000, mroberds wrote:

> For 7 Pro, you can get "XP Mode" as a free download from Microsoft, > which is basically XP in a VM. You can probably get the SMC software to > run in there, but I don't think the printer it makes will be visible to > the "host" Win7. You might be able to share the printer as a network > printer from XP and then print to it from Win7, but then you have to > have the VM up and running whenever you want to print.
Open a DOS VDM and type "net help" at the prompt. You may be able to make it an accessible share that way. Then, you can add it at startup.
On Tue, 06 Jan 2015 17:19:18 -0800, Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com>
wrote:

>Did everything in the book.
That was your first mistake. I never read the instruction (unless I'm stuck).
>Configured it via a TCP/IP port because the >SMC software will not run on Windows 7 Professional 64-bit. This direct >method generally works also on machines with other OS'es. Since Windows >7 is seriously dumbed down there are zero error messages and the >so-called troubleshooter finds nothing. If I print to the connected >printer it all disappears somewhere in lalaland. > >Did anyone make the SMC Barricade printer port work with Windows 7? If >yes I'd appreciate some hints on where to apply the hammer.
The SMC Barricade 7004ABR is an antique. As I vaguely recall, and am too lazy to lookup, it will only print using LPD/LPR protocol. The stuff that's normally configured for printing with Windoze won't work. Here's how to enable LPD/LPR on Windoze 7 and configure it for printing. <http://kb.linksys.com/Linksys/GetArticle.aspx?docid=46cc343ea7304fb0b338d71ae8d3c94b_Setting_up_LPR_Printing_on_Windows_Windows_7.xml&pid=80> The real trick is to make sure that the name of the LPD print queue on the SMC Barricade is exactly the same as on the Windoze 7 LPR client. Usually it's something like LPT1 (which must be in all upper case). -- Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com 150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558
Martin Riddle wrote:
> On Tue, 06 Jan 2015 17:19:18 -0800, Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com> > wrote: > >> Folks, >> >> Did everything in the book. Configured it via a TCP/IP port because the >> SMC software will not run on Windows 7 Professional 64-bit. This direct >> method generally works also on machines with other OS'es. Since Windows >> 7 is seriously dumbed down there are zero error messages and the >> so-called troubleshooter finds nothing. If I print to the connected >> printer it all disappears somewhere in lalaland. >> >> Did anyone make the SMC Barricade printer port work with Windows 7? If >> yes I'd appreciate some hints on where to apply the hammer. > > Disable IPV6?
Tried that. Did nothing :-(
> I have an old direct jet lan port that works fine with win 7 >
If at least I had some tiny error message ... -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/
mroberds@att.net wrote:
> Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com> wrote: >> Configured it via a TCP/IP port because the SMC software will not run >> on Windows 7 Professional 64-bit. > > For 7 Pro, you can get "XP Mode" as a free download from Microsoft, > which is basically XP in a VM. You can probably get the SMC software to > run in there, but I don't think the printer it makes will be visible to > the "host" Win7. You might be able to share the printer as a network > printer from XP and then print to it from Win7, but then you have to > have the VM up and running whenever you want to print. >
It probably wouldn't even get through because it has to pass the low level stuff in Win-7 before hitting the LAN. That's where things are stuck.
>> Since Windows 7 is seriously dumbed down there are zero error messages >> and the so-called troubleshooter finds nothing. > > Try Event Viewer, which shows you the log files. Click Start and type > "Event Viewer" in the search box. (I think the executable is still > evntvwr.exe but don't quote me on that.) By default you get a list of > about five or six log files; I think maybe Application or System is the > one you want. Open it up and look for messages from the Spooler or > Print Spooler service. You might also look in the Security or Network > log for messages from the firewall. >
There are all kinds of events but no messages from the print spooler.
>> If I print to the connected printer it all disappears somewhere in >> lalaland. > > I know if you set up an HP printer with a JetDirect card, you need to > tell Windows to use TCP port 9100. The printer setter upper is smart > enough to poke a hole in the Windows firewall for that port. If the > SMC box uses some other port, you may need to specify that. >
I tried that already top no avail. 9100 comes up as default. But grayed out when LPR. I also tried the usual 515. Nothing works.
> You can install Wireshark ( https://www.wireshark.org/ ) on the same PC > you're trying to print from. Run it as administrator and try to print > something; you can see if any packets for the printer are making it out > of your PC at all. If nothing makes it out, look for firewall or IP > address problems on the Windows 7 PC. If something makes it out but > the SMC box ignores it, see if it's on the right TCP/UDP port, and see > what protocol it is - Wireshark should detect most of the common > printing protocols. >
Disabled the firewall as well ... nada.
> This document http://www.smc.com/en-global/faq/view/5/18/1/1 implies > that at least one SMC printer server speaks LPR (an older Unix printing > standard) instead of RAW (which is what I think HP printers use). I > know Win7 can do raw by default but I don't think it has LPR installed > by default. It is available for install though: > http://campus.mst.edu/cis/desktop/documentation/pc/win7_x64/lpr_printer/install.htm > and after you do this, you should get the option for "LPR port" when > you set up a new printer. >
Mine does speak LPR.
> If you still have an XP box on your network, set up the printer there > as a local printer, and then share it on the network. That XP box will > have to be up if you want to print, though. >
That's what I want to avoid.
> If none of this helps, and if the printer you are trying to install is > an HP laser (LaserJet 4 or newer), you can probably still find a new or > used JetDirect network card to install in the printer. There are > network cards for some other makes, but HP is easiest to find. >
That may be an option. Or use an old XP Laptop as print server although that would consume a lot of idle power. It's just said that Microsoft screwed this up. -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/