Hi all, The reason for this post is that I want to safeguard my idea from any patenting attempts. Releasing the details to the public domain should do the trick, so here they are: Imagine a transformer built from two coils routed on a PCB on two different layers (top and bottom for example). The thickness of the PCB provides the isolation required. Transmission is performed by shorting one coil, forming a closed loop - one end is grounded, the other connected to a microcontroller pin. The micro grounds the pin and that's one state. When the micro puts the pin in high impedance, the other state is transmitted. A micro on the other side measures the inductance of the other (coupled) coil. By observing a variation in inductance it can tell if the coil on the other side is shorted or not. Should anyone be interested, I have it implemented. We do this on Microchip's microcontrollers and measure the inductance with the CTMU hardware peripheral. Works at 80kbps full-duplex on a PIC24F. I have written an application note and posted it on my company website. We call the thing "Freesolator", since it requires almost no components (one resistor, once you have CTMU on board). We have demo boards and can make the source code available. See http://protronik.pl/freesolator-en.html Hope you don't find this post too spammy. I couldn't think of a better method of undeniable disclosure. Cheers, Andrzej Ekiert
Inductive digital isolator
Started by ●September 24, 2012
Reply by ●September 24, 20122012-09-24
Andrzej Ekiert wrote:> Hi all, > The reason for this post is that I want to safeguard my idea from any > patenting attempts. Releasing the details to the public domain should do > the trick, so here they are: > > Imagine a transformer built from two coils routed on a PCB on two > different layers (top and bottom for example). The thickness of the PCB > provides the isolation required. Transmission is performed by shorting > one coil, forming a closed loop - one end is grounded, the other > connected to a microcontroller pin. The micro grounds the pin and that's > one state. When the micro puts the pin in high impedance, the other > state is transmitted. A micro on the other side measures the inductance > of the other (coupled) coil. By observing a variation in inductance it > can tell if the coil on the other side is shorted or not. > > Should anyone be interested, I have it implemented. We do this on > Microchip's microcontrollers and measure the inductance with the CTMU > hardware peripheral. Works at 80kbps full-duplex on a PIC24F. I have > written an application note and posted it on my company website. We call > the thing "Freesolator", since it requires almost no components (one > resistor, once you have CTMU on board). We have demo boards and can make > the source code available. See http://protronik.pl/freesolator-en.html > > Hope you don't find this post too spammy. I couldn't think of a better > method of undeniable disclosure. >Looks like you have re-invented the inductive proximity sensor :-) -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/
Reply by ●September 24, 20122012-09-24
Dnia 25-09-2012 o 00:17:39 Joerg <invalid@invalid.invalid> napisa=C5=82(= a):> Looks like you have re-invented the inductive proximity sensor :-) >Well, there were other inspirations as well. But the application area ma= y = also matter - I don't think this was a known method for data transmissio= n, = so it might have been patentable. Now it surely isn't ;-) ae
Reply by ●September 24, 20122012-09-24
On Tue, 25 Sep 2012 00:31:19 +0200, "Andrzej Ekiert" <dspicant@tlen.pl> wrote:>Dnia 25-09-2012 o 00:17:39 Joerg <invalid@invalid.invalid> napisa?(a): > >> Looks like you have re-invented the inductive proximity sensor :-) >> > >Well, there were other inspirations as well. But the application area may >also matter - I don't think this was a known method for data transmission, >so it might have been patentable. Now it surely isn't ;-) > >aeMy method as well... keep it _art_, but _privately_ documented. I'm expert witness in a case right now where a heathen patented a block diagram... science fiction, then is suing now that technology has caught up with fiction :-( ...Jim Thompson -- | James E.Thompson, CTO | mens | | Analog Innovations, Inc. | et | | Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus | | Phoenix, Arizona 85048 Skype: Contacts Only | | | Voice:(480)460-2350 Fax: Available upon request | Brass Rat | | E-mail Icon at http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 | I love to cook with wine. Sometimes I even put it in the food.
Reply by ●September 24, 20122012-09-24
Andrzej Ekiert wrote:> Hi all, > The reason for this post is that I want to safeguard my idea from any > patenting attempts. Releasing the details to the public domain should > do the trick, so here they are: > > Imagine a transformer built from two coils routed on a PCB on two > different layers (top and bottom for example). The thickness of the PCB > provides the isolation required. Transmission is performed by shorting > one coil, forming a closed loop - one end is grounded, the other > connected to a microcontroller pin. The micro grounds the pin and > that's one state. When the micro puts the pin in high impedance, the > other state is transmitted. A micro on the other side measures the > inductance of the other (coupled) coil. By observing a variation in > inductance it can tell if the coil on the other side is shorted or not. > > Should anyone be interested, I have it implemented. We do this on > Microchip's microcontrollers and measure the inductance with the CTMU > hardware peripheral. Works at 80kbps full-duplex on a PIC24F. I have > written an application note and posted it on my company website. We > call the thing "Freesolator", since it requires almost no components > (one resistor, once you have CTMU on board). We have demo boards and > can make the source code available. See > http://protronik.pl/freesolator-en.html > > Hope you don't find this post too spammy. I couldn't think of a better > method of undeniable disclosure. > > Cheers, > Andrzej Ekiertyou're too late! way to late. Jamie
Reply by ●September 24, 20122012-09-24
"Andrzej Ekiert" <dspicant@tlen.pl> wrote in news:op.wk5ufqawf6rg9m@jabba.lan:> Hi all, > The reason for this post is that I want to safeguard my idea from any > patenting attempts. Releasing the details to the public domain should > do the trick, so here they are: > > Imagine a transformer built from two coils routed on a PCB on two > different layers (top and bottom for example). The thickness of the > PCB provides the isolation required. Transmission is performed by > shorting one coil, forming a closed loop - one end is grounded, the > other connected to a microcontroller pin. The micro grounds the pin > and that's one state. When the micro puts the pin in high impedance, > the other state is transmitted. A micro on the other side measures > the inductance of the other (coupled) coil. By observing a variation > in inductance it can tell if the coil on the other side is shorted or > not. > > Should anyone be interested, I have it implemented. We do this on > Microchip's microcontrollers and measure the inductance with the CTMU > hardware peripheral. Works at 80kbps full-duplex on a PIC24F. I have > written an application note and posted it on my company website. We > call the thing "Freesolator", since it requires almost no components > (one resistor, once you have CTMU on board). We have demo boards and > can make the source code available. See > http://protronik.pl/freesolator-en.html > > Hope you don't find this post too spammy. I couldn't think of a better > method of undeniable disclosure. > > Cheers, > Andrzej Ekiert >Use an ethernet isolation transformer, they come in very small footprints and are made for the purpose (datatransmission with isolated in/out).
Reply by ●September 25, 20122012-09-25
"Sjouke Burry" <s@b> wrote in message news:XnsA0D92526C1FBEsjoukeburrysoesterbe@213.75.12.10...> Use an ethernet isolation transformer, they come in very small > footprints and are made for the purpose > (datatransmission with isolated in/out).Not nearly as much isolation as FR-4, though -- certainly not reinforced. With that kind of isolation, you can drive IGBTs on any supply with impugnity. Tim -- Deep Friar: a very philosophical monk. Website: http://webpages.charter.net/dawill/tmoranwms
Reply by ●September 25, 20122012-09-25
Jim Thompson wrote:> On Tue, 25 Sep 2012 00:31:19 +0200, "Andrzej Ekiert" > <dspicant@tlen.pl> wrote: > >> Dnia 25-09-2012 o 00:17:39 Joerg<invalid@invalid.invalid> napisa?(a): >> >>> Looks like you have re-invented the inductive proximity sensor :-) >>> >> >> Well, there were other inspirations as well. But the application area may >> also matter - I don't think this was a known method for data transmission, >> so it might have been patentable. Now it surely isn't ;-) >> >> ae > > My method as well... keep it _art_, but _privately_ documented. > > I'm expert witness in a case right now where a heathen patented a > block diagram... science fiction, then is suing now that technology > has caught up with fiction :-( > > ...Jim ThompsonTo the best of my knowledge, one cannot patent a block diagram - not even as a design patent. And design patents are essentially worthless since one minor aspect can be changed to generate a new design patent. Crudely put, the shape of a paper clip cannot be patented in a way to protect its use; change the wiggle or bend here to make a different design and thus create competition that cannot be negated by "interference".
Reply by ●September 25, 20122012-09-25
On Tue, 25 Sep 2012 00:08:04 +0200, "Andrzej Ekiert" <dspicant@tlen.pl> wrote:>Hi all, >The reason for this post is that I want to safeguard my idea from any >patenting attempts. Releasing the details to the public domain should do >the trick, so here they are: > >Imagine a transformer built from two coils routed on a PCB on two >different layers (top and bottom for example). The thickness of the PCB >provides the isolation required. Transmission is performed by shorting one >coil, forming a closed loop - one end is grounded, the other connected to >a microcontroller pin. The micro grounds the pin and that's one state. >When the micro puts the pin in high impedance, the other state is >transmitted. A micro on the other side measures the inductance of the >other (coupled) coil. By observing a variation in inductance it can tell >if the coil on the other side is shorted or not. > >Should anyone be interested, I have it implemented. We do this on >Microchip's microcontrollers and measure the inductance with the CTMU >hardware peripheral. Works at 80kbps full-duplex on a PIC24F. I have >written an application note and posted it on my company website. We call >the thing "Freesolator", since it requires almost no components (one >resistor, once you have CTMU on board). We have demo boards and can make >the source code available. See http://protronik.pl/freesolator-en.html > >Hope you don't find this post too spammy. I couldn't think of a better >method of undeniable disclosure. > >Cheers, >Andrzej EkiertYou could put an LED on one side of the board and a photodiode on the other. Punch a hole in any power/ground planes to let the light through the FR4. -- John Larkin Highland Technology Inc www.highlandtechnology.com jlarkin at highlandtechnology dot com Precision electronic instrumentation Picosecond-resolution Digital Delay and Pulse generators Custom timing and laser controllers Photonics and fiberoptic TTL data links VME analog, thermocouple, LVDT, synchro, tachometer Multichannel arbitrary waveform generators
Reply by ●September 25, 20122012-09-25
On 9/24/2012 9:29 PM, Robert Baer wrote:> Jim Thompson wrote: >> On Tue, 25 Sep 2012 00:31:19 +0200, "Andrzej Ekiert" >> <dspicant@tlen.pl> wrote: >> >>> Dnia 25-09-2012 o 00:17:39 Joerg<invalid@invalid.invalid> napisa?(a): >>> >>>> Looks like you have re-invented the inductive proximity sensor :-) >>>> >>> >>> Well, there were other inspirations as well. But the application area >>> may >>> also matter - I don't think this was a known method for data >>> transmission, >>> so it might have been patentable. Now it surely isn't ;-) >>> >>> ae >> >> My method as well... keep it _art_, but _privately_ documented. >> >> I'm expert witness in a case right now where a heathen patented a >> block diagram... science fiction, then is suing now that technology >> has caught up with fiction :-( >> >> ...Jim Thompson > To the best of my knowledge, one cannot patent a block diagram - not > even as a design patent. > And design patents are essentially worthless since one minor aspect > can be changed to generate a new design patent. > Crudely put, the shape of a paper clip cannot be patented in a way to > protect its use; change the wiggle or bend here to make a different > design and thus create competition that cannot be negated by > "interference". >The only thing that matters in the patent is the "claims" section. Incidentally, if you don't want someone to patent an idea but rather have it open source, just patent it yourself and don't enforce the patent. There is no better prior art than a patent with that prior art.