On Tue, 01 Dec 2009 06:54:58 -0500, Wingsy <noone@nowhere.com> wrote:>In article <i2u8h590l4qmk0ef4c3ie3f8mvhn0oi5s0@4ax.com>, krw ><krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzz> wrote: > >> On Mon, 30 Nov 2009 18:39:27 -0700, Jim Thompson >> <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@My-Web-Site.com> wrote: >> >> >On Mon, 30 Nov 2009 19:22:25 -0600, krw <krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzz> wrote: >> > >> >>On Mon, 30 Nov 2009 13:53:43 -0500, Wingsy <noone@nowhere.com> wrote: >> >> >> >>>In article <l837h5d1nauevf6bc1cc6kvoe6vt7d4eak@4ax.com>, D from BC >> >>><myrealaddress@comic.com> wrote: >> >>> >> >>>> I saw a bug on my ceiling... >> >>>> Which reminded me of a utube video of a spider chasing after a laser >> >>>> spot. >> >>>> So I get the laser pointer(actually a laser distance measurement tool) >> >>>> and aim it near the bug. >> >>>> It flies! >> >>>> I don't like flies and when it relanded on the ceiling I decided to do >> >>>> a less friendly test.. Laser blinding! muhahahhaha.... :P >> >>>> >> >>>> I rested the laser spot all over the fly. A good 30 seconds. >> >>>> I probably fried every light receptor. >> >>>> The fly took off did a few chaotic circles in the air and I lost track >> >>>> of it. >> >>>> It did not reland on the ceiling. >> >>>> >> >>>> I need more power! :P >> >>>> 1W laser fly zapper project??? >> >>>> With sniper scope of course :) >> >>>> >> >>>You know those 10 million candlepower (or so they advertise) handheld >> >>>spotlights you may have seen at CosCo or online? I got one, and one >> >>>evening I shined it up near the tops of the trees and zeroed in on a >> >>>flying moth. After a second or two it went into a tailspin and >> >>>eventually flew into the ground. I did another, and another, and >> >>>another until I was finally convinced that the bright light was indeed >> >>>corrupting their nav systems. And this was just a big flashlight from >> >>>50 feet away, so I'd imagine that a laser would do the same -- if you >> >>>could hold it right on the bug for a bit. >> >> >> >>For wasps and hornets, do the opposite. Attack them at night. >> > >> >Hair spray is handy for just about any flying insect... even bees... >> >quick shot and run... bee flies a few feet and seizes up ;-) >> >> That works for one bugger at a time. It's not a good idea to attack a >> nest with it. The instant death spray with a 20' range is a far >> better idea. >Even better - gasoline. Throw a half glass of gasoline on a wasp's nest >and they all drop straight to the ground. They don't even flap their >wings once.That's a good idea; throw gasoline on your house and light a match. You're right, the bees will no longer be your problem.
OT: Blinding Bugs with a Laser Pointer
Started by ●November 30, 2009
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On Tue, 01 Dec 2009 10:12:53 -0800, Rich Grise <richgrise@example.net> wrote:>On Mon, 30 Nov 2009 20:02:04 -0600, krw wrote: >> On Mon, 30 Nov 2009 18:39:27 -0700, Jim Thompson >>> >>>Hair spray is handy for just about any flying insect... even bees... >>>quick shot and run... bee flies a few feet and seizes up ;-) >> >> That works for one bugger at a time. It's not a good idea to attack a >> nest with it. The instant death spray with a 20' range is a far better >> idea. > >But bees are good guys!Not when they're wasps and hornets, living in/on my house. I killed as many carpenter bees as I could (and hired an exterminator to help) last spring. I'm sure I'll be back at it again next spring.
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On Tue, 1 Dec 2009 14:53:03 -0000, "invalid" <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:>"Wingsy" <noone@nowhere.com> wrote in message >news:011220090654581823%noone@nowhere.com... > >> Even better - gasoline. Throw a half glass of gasoline on a wasp's nest >> and they all drop straight to the ground. They don't even flap their >> wings once. > >Is that before or after you apply the lighted match? >Zeptox
Reply by ●December 1, 20092009-12-01
On Tue, 01 Dec 2009 20:08:31 +0000, Dirk Bruere at NeoPax <dirk.bruere@gmail.com> wrote:>D from BC wrote: >> On Mon, 30 Nov 2009 12:28:06 -0600, AZ Nomad >> <aznomad.3@PremoveOBthisOX.COM> wrote: >> >>> On Mon, 30 Nov 2009 10:15:01 -0800, D from BC <myrealaddress@comic.com> wrote: >>>> On Mon, 30 Nov 2009 11:55:38 GMT, Jan Panteltje >>>> <pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> wrote: >>>>> Some time ago it was discussed here to use a laser from an old DVD burner. >>>>> I joked you could scan using a mirror assembly, and when you get a reflection >>>>> increase power and burn the bug. >>>>> Joked the experiment would leave all sorts of burning spots on the wall paper. >>>>> Then a while ago I read somebody at NASA actually did it, >>>>> and they can, from the reflection frequency, even determine what sort of bug >>>>> is in the beam, and *only* shoot mosquitos that way... >>>>> No it was not April 1, but hey, I did think of it first :-) >>>>> >>>>> NASA reads this group? >>>> Neato.. >>>> I wonder if it'll become a pest control method.. >>>> For example.. >>>> A laser unit is placed on the floor, turned on and then it starts >>>> scanning for crawling bugs ...especially roaches. >>>> The scan height is low for low odds of blinding someone. >>>> When a roach has been detected, a deadly pulse is triggered. >>>> If there's no misses then it might be possible there will be no damage >>>> to the baseboards (burnt spots) and low risk of setting the house on >>>> fire. :P >>> The amount of power to blind a bug should be orders of magnatude less >>> than that which would cause baseboard burn spots. >> >> I think a laser bug burner would be more effective pest control than >> bug blinder. >> Roaches have very good odor receptors and iirc that is the primary way >> roaches find food. >> iirc.. roaches don't have much use for eyes. >> >> I vote for bug burner instead of bug blinder. >> >Actually, it may be a very good solution for certain types of crop >protection. Cheaper than pesticides?Lasered grasshoppers vs accidentally blinded farmers.. mmmmm :| And if things get too dry, crops might catch fire from lasered grasshoppers? Maybe a laser detect/laser burn bug system will do better in a greenhouse.. Dunno..
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On Tue, 01 Dec 2009 10:10:41 -0800, Rich Grise <richgrise@example.net> wrote:>On Mon, 30 Nov 2009 01:45:09 -0800, D from BC wrote: > >> I saw a bug on my ceiling... >> Which reminded me of a utube video of a spider chasing after a laser spot. >> So I get the laser pointer(actually a laser distance measurement tool) and >> aim it near the bug. >> It flies! >> I don't like flies and when it relanded on the ceiling I decided to do a >> less friendly test.. Laser blinding! muhahahhaha.... :P >> >> I rested the laser spot all over the fly. A good 30 seconds. I probably >> fried every light receptor. The fly took off did a few chaotic circles in >> the air and I lost track of it. >> It did not reland on the ceiling. >> >> I need more power! :P >> 1W laser fly zapper project??? >> With sniper scope of course :) > >Is "D from BC" just a pseudonym for Skybuck? > >Thanks, >Rich >Yeah.. I've started this thread off in quirky way.. But sometimes that's how things get invented. Example: The thought of 'a windshield that can blink'..leads to the invention of the intermittent wiper. Laser diodes are now powerful enough to kill bugs.. The question is: Can solid state lasers perform a pest control role? Or at the very least be an amusing geek toy to sniper the occasional house fly.
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On Tue, 1 Dec 2009 19:05:29 -0000, "christofire" <christofire@btinternet.com> wrote:> >"Paul Hovnanian P.E." <paul@hovnanian.com> wrote in message >news:4B14669E.99A55380@hovnanian.com... >>A few beers and you'll forget you are sitting outside on your deck. >> That's not a fly, its a 747. >> >> -- >> Paul Hovnanian mailto:Paul@Hovnanian.com >> ------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Speed is n0 subsittute fo accurancy. > > >... and there are lots of newspaper reports of members of the public being >prosecuted, even imprisoned, for shining laser pointers at planes and >helicopters. An example is >http://www.kentnews.co.uk/kent-news/Police-helicopter-pilot-was-blinded-by-laser-pen-newsinkent24688.aspx?news=local >but the statement 'For the first time sky cops are using a device which >pinpoints the source of the beam and can photograph the operator' looks a >bit odd - perhaps it can only photograph the operator when he/she switches >the laser off and, obligingly, stands in the same position for a while. I >wonder if they're prosecuting people who use those torches with "the power >of a million candles" when they point them up to see what's making the >deafening noise above their house. Hmmm. > >Chris >It's like firing a laser is like firing a gun..
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Jim Thompson wrote:> On Mon, 30 Nov 2009 20:02:04 -0600, krw <krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzz> wrote: > > >>On Mon, 30 Nov 2009 18:39:27 -0700, Jim Thompson >><To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@My-Web-Site.com> wrote: >> >> >>>On Mon, 30 Nov 2009 19:22:25 -0600, krw <krw@att.bizzzzzzzzzzz> wrote: >>> >>> >>>>On Mon, 30 Nov 2009 13:53:43 -0500, Wingsy <noone@nowhere.com> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>>In article <l837h5d1nauevf6bc1cc6kvoe6vt7d4eak@4ax.com>, D from BC >>>>><myrealaddress@comic.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>I saw a bug on my ceiling... >>>>>>Which reminded me of a utube video of a spider chasing after a laser >>>>>>spot. >>>>>>So I get the laser pointer(actually a laser distance measurement tool) >>>>>>and aim it near the bug. >>>>>>It flies! >>>>>>I don't like flies and when it relanded on the ceiling I decided to do >>>>>>a less friendly test.. Laser blinding! muhahahhaha.... :P >>>>>> >>>>>>I rested the laser spot all over the fly. A good 30 seconds. >>>>>>I probably fried every light receptor. >>>>>>The fly took off did a few chaotic circles in the air and I lost track >>>>>>of it. >>>>>>It did not reland on the ceiling. >>>>>> >>>>>>I need more power! :P >>>>>>1W laser fly zapper project??? >>>>>>With sniper scope of course :) >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>You know those 10 million candlepower (or so they advertise) handheld >>>>>spotlights you may have seen at CosCo or online? I got one, and one >>>>>evening I shined it up near the tops of the trees and zeroed in on a >>>>>flying moth. After a second or two it went into a tailspin and >>>>>eventually flew into the ground. I did another, and another, and >>>>>another until I was finally convinced that the bright light was indeed >>>>>corrupting their nav systems. And this was just a big flashlight from >>>>>50 feet away, so I'd imagine that a laser would do the same -- if you >>>>>could hold it right on the bug for a bit. >>>> >>>>For wasps and hornets, do the opposite. Attack them at night. >>> >>>Hair spray is handy for just about any flying insect... even bees... >>>quick shot and run... bee flies a few feet and seizes up ;-) >> >>That works for one bugger at a time. It's not a good idea to attack a >>nest with it. The instant death spray with a 20' range is a far >>better idea. > > > I cut a hole in the patio ceiling to install a speaker... immediately > inhabited by bee "scouts". > > Called my exterminator service. He came, advised closing all doors, > including doggy door, 'cause, "I'm going to make 'em really mad" ;-) > > They were completely gone in a few hours. >I piped Hydrogen Sulphide into a wasps nest. Killed them, though I was stung a couple of times. Then I burnt the nest. Smelly though. I recollect Calcium Carbide being used to kill wasps - I presume it was the Acetylene, though as I was only 9 or 10 at the time I cannot be 100% confident of this.
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"richard" <mullens-deleteme-@ntlworld.com> wrote in message news:aEkRm.23068$dm.5297@newsfe26.ams2...> I piped Hydrogen Sulphide into a wasps nest. > Killed them, though I was stung a couple of times. > Then I burnt the nest. > Smelly though. > > I recollect Calcium Carbide being used to kill wasps - I presume it was > the Acetylene, though as I was only 9 or 10 at the time I cannot be 100% > confident of this.Might've been a similar product. I recall calcium phosphide has been sold for killing moles and the like. Moisture causes it to release phosphine ("hydrogen phosphide" as it were), which bears a strong resemblance to your above comment. Phosphide is a major impurity of carbide, which doesn't really mean all that much (it could be parts per million, which would be fairly pure actually), but because it's so poisonous and smelly, it's a notable component of the stuff. Tim -- Deep Friar: a very philosophical monk. Website: http://webpages.charter.net/dawill/tmoranwms
Reply by ●December 2, 20092009-12-02
D from BC wrote:> On Tue, 01 Dec 2009 20:08:31 +0000, Dirk Bruere at NeoPax > <dirk.bruere@gmail.com> wrote: > >> D from BC wrote: >>> On Mon, 30 Nov 2009 12:28:06 -0600, AZ Nomad >>> <aznomad.3@PremoveOBthisOX.COM> wrote: >>> >>>> On Mon, 30 Nov 2009 10:15:01 -0800, D from BC <myrealaddress@comic.com> wrote: >>>>> On Mon, 30 Nov 2009 11:55:38 GMT, Jan Panteltje >>>>> <pNaonStpealmtje@yahoo.com> wrote: >>>>>> Some time ago it was discussed here to use a laser from an old DVD burner. >>>>>> I joked you could scan using a mirror assembly, and when you get a reflection >>>>>> increase power and burn the bug. >>>>>> Joked the experiment would leave all sorts of burning spots on the wall paper. >>>>>> Then a while ago I read somebody at NASA actually did it, >>>>>> and they can, from the reflection frequency, even determine what sort of bug >>>>>> is in the beam, and *only* shoot mosquitos that way... >>>>>> No it was not April 1, but hey, I did think of it first :-) >>>>>> >>>>>> NASA reads this group? >>>>> Neato.. >>>>> I wonder if it'll become a pest control method.. >>>>> For example.. >>>>> A laser unit is placed on the floor, turned on and then it starts >>>>> scanning for crawling bugs ...especially roaches. >>>>> The scan height is low for low odds of blinding someone. >>>>> When a roach has been detected, a deadly pulse is triggered. >>>>> If there's no misses then it might be possible there will be no damage >>>>> to the baseboards (burnt spots) and low risk of setting the house on >>>>> fire. :P >>>> The amount of power to blind a bug should be orders of magnatude less >>>> than that which would cause baseboard burn spots. >>> I think a laser bug burner would be more effective pest control than >>> bug blinder. >>> Roaches have very good odor receptors and iirc that is the primary way >>> roaches find food. >>> iirc.. roaches don't have much use for eyes. >>> >>> I vote for bug burner instead of bug blinder. >>> >> Actually, it may be a very good solution for certain types of crop >> protection. Cheaper than pesticides? > > Lasered grasshoppers vs accidentally blinded farmers.. mmmmm :|farmers do not spend a long time in growing fields -the system can be turned off.> And if things get too dry, crops might catch fire from lasered > grasshoppers?Unlikely - point it skywards or horizontal above the crop, and with enough energy to fatally injure, not incinerate. Turn them into fertilizer.> Maybe a laser detect/laser burn bug system will do better in a > greenhouse.. Dunno..More dangerous IMO due to reflections. -- Dirk http://www.transcendence.me.uk/ - Transcendence UK http://www.theconsensus.org/ - A UK political party http://www.blogtalkradio.com/onetribe - Occult Talk Show
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D from BC <myrealaddress@comic.com> wrote in news:2nhbh5500lli7bjkknigihm2j7ke3cpf99@4ax.com:> On Tue, 1 Dec 2009 19:05:29 -0000, "christofire" ><christofire@btinternet.com> wrote:>>... and there are lots of newspaper reports of members of the public >>being prosecuted, even imprisoned, for shining laser pointers at >>planes and helicopters. An example is >>http://www.kentnews.co.uk/kent-news/Police-helicopter-pilot-was-blinded >>-by-laser-pen-newsinkent24688.aspx?news=local but the statement 'For >>the first time sky cops are using a device which pinpoints the source >>of the beam and can photograph the operator' looks a bit odd - perhaps >>it can only photograph the operator when he/she switches the laser off >>and, obligingly, stands in the same position for a while. I wonder if >>they're prosecuting people who use those torches with "the power of a >>million candles" when they point them up to see what's making the >>deafening noise above their house. Hmmm. >> >>Chris >> > > It's like firing a laser is like firing a gun.. > >think of it from the police viewpoint; a laser spot on their body could be a GUN-mounted laser,and thus a deadly threat. from the pilot's viewpoint; trying to fly (to keep the AC in the air)after being blinded is rather difficult.Thus a lethal threat. ISTR a few people in the US being prosecuted for shining laser pointers on aircraft,IIRC,police helos that were hovering in the area. (BLACK helicopters,too,BTW!!) -- Jim Yanik jyanik at localnet dot com
