Anyone using a Welec W20xxA DSO?

Started by Falk Willberg July 8, 2009
Jon Kirwan schrieb:
> On Thu, 09 Jul 2009 06:46:13 -0700, Joerg <invalid@invalid.invalid> > wrote:
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>> Yes, now I remember you mentioning that in the German NG. >> <snip> > > Which newsgroup is this. I'd like to start reading it. I need to > work on German
Die Gruppe hei&#2013265951;t: de.sci.electronics. You are welcome, if you can stand some Anti-Whatever-ism and the Umlauts ;-)
> -- especially technical terms.
Da kannst Du viele typisch deutsche W&#2013266166;rter wie Transistor (engl.: transistor) Diode (engl.: diode) or Computer (engl. computer) lernen. Falk
Falk Willberg wrote:
> Joerg schrieb: >> Falk Willberg wrote: >>> Jan Panteltje schrieb: >>> >>> ... >>> >>>> For about 520 Euro you can buy a Rigol with 1G samples, >>> As I am using Linux, I am quite happy with the open source. So I was >>> able to add functions *I* wanted to have. >>> >> Offering an open source scope platform is actually a brilliant business >> idea. They'll be the only ones because the others are extremely >> restrictive. I wanted to fix some minor things on my DSO and asked for >> the keys to the firmware. The answer was a firm "You can't have those". > > Sometimes I think that those developers feel ashamed of their code ;-) >
Then why did they release it?
>>> Also very important: It has a lot of "Spielwert", (if someone could >>> translate that, please ;-) ) ... >> Fun factor. > > Thanks. > >> So you are probably not married :-) > > She beleives knitting is fun. I beleive, burning my fingers, fixing > things, writing software is fun ;-) >
Mine does crocheting a lot, but only if it is for charity. I thought that crocheting and knitting are almost the same thing but was taught otherwise. I share your hobbies except for writing software, that was never much fun for me.
>>>> have not tried those, >>>> but you know, guarantee, service... >>> Wittig gives 3 years warranty. And I was told, that they really repair >>> or replace. >> Wasn't there a bankruptcy? At least in the US warranty rights are pretty >> much toast after that. > > AFAIK the Welec GmbH went bancrupt. But now Wittig Electronics GmbH > sells the scopes. >
So they opened a new business at the same location? Hopefully it'll do better than the old one. Now that Hameg is sold to Rohde&Schwarz there needs to be someone new who starts measurement tools in Germany. -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ "gmail" domain blocked because of excessive spam. Use another domain or send PM.
Joerg schrieb:
> Falk Willberg wrote:
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>> Sometimes I think that those developers feel ashamed of their code ;-) >> > Then why did they release it?
Because it compiled. Writing code that compiles, takes 50%, writing code that works somehow takes 100%, making code that handles errors takes 150% and making fine code, that does all the before and that looks good, takes 200% of the time, you are paid for. Then you start writing the documentation ;-)
>>>> Also very important: It has a lot of "Spielwert", (if someone could >>>> translate that, please ;-) ) ... >>> Fun factor. >> >> Thanks. >> >>> So you are probably not married :-) >> >> She beleives knitting is fun. I beleive, burning my fingers, fixing >> things, writing software is fun ;-)
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> I share your hobbies except for writing software, that was > never much fun for me.
Writing software means no burned finger tips, no ringing in the ears caused by a big capacitor, but you don't know what is really happening and it may cause mental diseases. ...
>> AFAIK the Welec GmbH went bancrupt. But now Wittig Electronics GmbH >> sells the scopes. >> > So they opened a new business at the same location? Hopefully it'll do > better than the old one. Now that Hameg is sold to Rohde&Schwarz there > needs to be someone new who starts measurement tools in Germany.
Not simple. I am not surprised, that the chinese are not stupid and will be on "our" level soon. Remember Japan, Korea, Taiwan... Falk -- German chancellor Merkel is not surprised by the world finance crisis, because she learned at school, that, and why capitalism will fail. And she learned what the solution will be. Now she is loking for a synonym for socialism.
Falk Willberg <Faweglassenlk@falk-willberg.de> wrote:

>Jan Panteltje schrieb: > >... > >> For about 520 Euro you can buy a Rigol with 1G samples, > >As I am using Linux, I am quite happy with the open source. So I was >able to add functions *I* wanted to have. > >Also very important: It has a lot of "Spielwert", (if someone could >translate that, please ;-) ) and I don't want to use a 30 MHz analog >LG5020 (or so) for 300&#2013266084; any longer...
This is quite interesting. An oscilloscope for which you can hack your own firmware... Except for using 4 ADCs per channel the concept of the design isn't bad. -- Failure does not prove something is impossible, failure simply indicates you are not using the right tools... "If it doesn't fit, use a bigger hammer!" --------------------------------------------------------------
On Thu, 09 Jul 2009 20:55:14 +0200, Falk Willberg
<Faweglassenlk@falk-willberg.de> wrote:

>Jon Kirwan schrieb: >> On Thu, 09 Jul 2009 06:46:13 -0700, Joerg <invalid@invalid.invalid> >> wrote: > >... > >>> Yes, now I remember you mentioning that in the German NG. >>> <snip> >> >> Which newsgroup is this. I'd like to start reading it. I need to >> work on German > >Die Gruppe hei&#2013265951;t: de.sci.electronics. You are welcome, if you can
stand
>some Anti-Whatever-ism and the Umlauts ;-)
Regierungsfeindlich? Das tut mir gern. ;) My production of German stinks. I just read it with some modest understanding. So actually part of the reason is to get idioms and common preferences in speaking, too.
>> -- especially technical terms. > >Da kannst Du viele typisch deutsche W&#2013266166;rter wie Transistor (engl.: >transistor) Diode (engl.: diode) or Computer (engl. computer) lernen.
Hehe! ;) Nat&#2013266172;rlich. Gr&#2013266172;&#2013265951;e, Jon
On Thu, 09 Jul 2009 08:59:58 -0700, Joerg <invalid@invalid.invalid>
wrote:

>> Also very important: It has a lot of "Spielwert", (if someone could >> translate that, please ;-) ) ... > >Fun factor. So you are probably not married :-)
The actual word(s) break out as Spiel (play) and wert (value or worth) and it made me think of something more gaming-like, such as "replay value" than "fun factor." But fun factor is much better. Would Spielwert also be used for the meaning of "replay value" in video games, for example? Or is there another term for that? Jon
Falk Willberg wrote:
> Joerg schrieb: >> Falk Willberg wrote: > > ... > >>> Sometimes I think that those developers feel ashamed of their code ;-) >>> >> Then why did they release it? > > Because it compiled. Writing code that compiles, takes 50%, writing code > that works somehow takes 100%, making code that handles errors takes > 150% and making fine code, that does all the before and that looks good, > takes 200% of the time, you are paid for. Then you start writing the > documentation ;-) >
That's a major problem, writing documentation after the fact. I never do that. When a client wants a new design the first thing I open is the word processor. Always. [...]
>> I share your hobbies except for writing software, that was >> never much fun for me. > > Writing software means no burned finger tips, no ringing in the ears > caused by a big capacitor, but you don't know what is really happening > and it may cause mental diseases. >
It can also give you carpal tunnel syndrome. I know a few who suffer from it or even had surgery.
> ... > >>> AFAIK the Welec GmbH went bancrupt. But now Wittig Electronics GmbH >>> sells the scopes. >>> >> So they opened a new business at the same location? Hopefully it'll do >> better than the old one. Now that Hameg is sold to Rohde&Schwarz there >> needs to be someone new who starts measurement tools in Germany. > > Not simple. I am not surprised, that the chinese are not stupid and will > be on "our" level soon. Remember Japan, Korea, Taiwan... >
My DSO was engineered in Taiwan. And it's pretty darn good. Even speaks German if you want it to :-) -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ "gmail" domain blocked because of excessive spam. Use another domain or send PM.
Jon Kirwan wrote:
> On Thu, 09 Jul 2009 08:59:58 -0700, Joerg <invalid@invalid.invalid> > wrote: > >>> Also very important: It has a lot of "Spielwert", (if someone could >>> translate that, please ;-) ) ... >> Fun factor. So you are probably not married :-) > > The actual word(s) break out as Spiel (play) and wert (value or worth) > and it made me think of something more gaming-like, such as "replay > value" than "fun factor." But fun factor is much better. Would > Spielwert also be used for the meaning of "replay value" in video > games, for example? Or is there another term for that? >
I've been away from Germany for too long but I believe "Spielwert" always had a meaning close to what "Fahrvergnuegen" is in our Volkswagen ads over here. I've never seen that word on a video game or arcade machine. "Spiel" on those machines means game, as in how many games you have left after inserting x amount of cash into the machine. "Freispiele" on a slot machine or pinball machine is the number of games (or pulls) you didn't pay for but won during a run. Mostly "Spielwert" is (or at least was) used if something had the potential of being entertaining but not necessarily of being all that useful. Like that midlife-crisis sports car purchase :-) -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ "gmail" domain blocked because of excessive spam. Use another domain or send PM.
Nico Coesel wrote:
> Falk Willberg <Faweglassenlk@falk-willberg.de> wrote: > >> Jan Panteltje schrieb: >> >> ... >> >>> For about 520 Euro you can buy a Rigol with 1G samples, >> As I am using Linux, I am quite happy with the open source. So I was >> able to add functions *I* wanted to have. >> >> Also very important: It has a lot of "Spielwert", (if someone could >> translate that, please ;-) ) and I don't want to use a 30 MHz analog >> LG5020 (or so) for 300&#2013266084; any longer... > > This is quite interesting. An oscilloscope for which you can hack your > own firmware... Except for using 4 ADCs per channel the concept of the > design isn't bad. >
Have you ever thought what it means in terms of cost when you go from four 250MHz/8bit ADCs to sixteen of them just to have full bore in 4ch mode? It's like saying that I want my car to race up that steep hill at 100km/h even when it tows the big trailer. Sure, you can get that, if you buy a Mercedes Benz S560. But does that make sense? -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ "gmail" domain blocked because of excessive spam. Use another domain or send PM.
On Thu, 09 Jul 2009 16:15:25 -0700, Joerg <invalid@invalid.invalid>
wrote:

>Jon Kirwan wrote: >> On Thu, 09 Jul 2009 08:59:58 -0700, Joerg <invalid@invalid.invalid> >> wrote: >> >>>> Also very important: It has a lot of "Spielwert", (if someone could >>>> translate that, please ;-) ) ... >>> Fun factor. So you are probably not married :-) >> >> The actual word(s) break out as Spiel (play) and wert (value or worth) >> and it made me think of something more gaming-like, such as "replay >> value" than "fun factor." But fun factor is much better. Would >> Spielwert also be used for the meaning of "replay value" in video >> games, for example? Or is there another term for that? >> > >I've been away from Germany for too long but I believe "Spielwert" >always had a meaning close to what "Fahrvergnuegen" is in our Volkswagen >ads over here. I've never seen that word on a video game or arcade >machine. "Spiel" on those machines means game, as in how many games you >have left after inserting x amount of cash into the machine. >"Freispiele" on a slot machine or pinball machine is the number of games >(or pulls) you didn't pay for but won during a run. > >Mostly "Spielwert" is (or at least was) used if something had the >potential of being entertaining but not necessarily of being all that >useful. Like that midlife-crisis sports car purchase :-)
Ah. Do NordDeutsch carry a stronger negative judgment about Spielwert als s&#2013266172;dDeutsch? Jon