Could a stun gun have destroyed his Legend car's electronics?

"Jim Douglas" <james.douglas@genesis-software.com> wrote in message
news:qP2Xg.4693$2l5.1020@trnddc07...
> Duh, my friend has a gun, like if he shot me in the arm would it hurt?
> Any idiot knows the 1988 Acura did not have SGProtection included
> although your friend could of got it aftermarket from
> http:\\www.ItheFriggingIdiotThatKilledMyCar.com
>
Problem loading that page!!!!!

It seems that modern car electronics can be zapped merely trying to start a
car using jumper leads or re-charging the battery without disconnecting it.
If that is the case the application of some 50,000 volts to the car's
grounding system might, quite plausibly, zapp the fancy electronics.

R

On 6 Oct 2006 12:26:27 -0700, dennis702717@yahoo.com wrote:

>Could a stun gun have destroyed his Legend car's electronics?
>
>My friend has a 1988 Acura Legend Coupe. He was trying out a stun gun
>and accidentally zapped the car. The car wouldn't work after that. Any
>idea what happened? What circuits should be checked out? Is there an
>inexpensive fix for this automobile engine problem, if it was the
>stungun that caused the problem? Could a relay or hidden fuse gotten
>burned, perhaps?

yes very easily.

Basically, any "electronic" as opposed to electrical (i.e not light
bulbs but chips and stuff) are potentially done-for. You might find
that the damage may make things behave strangely rather than total
failure - Lightening damage to telecoms kit rarely takes them out
completely rather stupid things happen like it won't pick the line up
or the keypad stops working or the ringer has died.

 The police are developing (still?) a tazer for cars that shoots out
and does exactly this for persued vehicles. Another is based around a
stinger but instead of spikes, it has wires. Deployed just like a
stinger (in front of the vehicle and chased into it by police) the
wires  rub the bodywork of the car (fender, underneath etc) and give
it a few hundred KV... The EMU dies and the car limps to the side of
the road, arrest one bad guy.

In the early 80's we used to get free games out of video arcade
machines by "spazzing" them with a piezo striker out of a gas hob
lighter. By sparking to the faceplate of the coin slot, the machine
would invariably freak out, I remember one "phoenix" machine that got
stuck in a loop playing loud explosion sounds. We always had someone
on the power switch so that if this happened we could switch off
before the owner suspected anything. The best such hit was an invaders
machine in the social club (when I was an apprentice) we gave it a few
jabs and after the usual crap had died down (few seconds on shaking
GFX and noises) it came up *9 in the credits - (BCD register got a
binary value in the tens unit?)... we played it all night and the
credits never changed. :o) switch off and back on after we were done
to allay suspicions.

On Fri, 13 Oct 2006 14:25:13 -0700, Jamie
<jamie_ka1lpa_not_valid_after_ka1lpa_@charter.net> wrote:

>feebo wrote:
>
>> On 6 Oct 2006 12:26:27 -0700, dennis702717@yahoo.com wrote:
>> 
>> 
>>>Could a stun gun have destroyed his Legend car's electronics?
>>>
>>>My friend has a 1988 Acura Legend Coupe. He was trying out a stun gun
>>>and accidentally zapped the car. The car wouldn't work after that. Any
>>>idea what happened? What circuits should be checked out? Is there an
>>>inexpensive fix for this automobile engine problem, if it was the
>>>stungun that caused the problem? Could a relay or hidden fuse gotten
>>>burned, perhaps?
>> 
>> 
>> yes very easily.
>> 
>> Basically, any "electronic" as opposed to electrical (i.e not light
>> bulbs but chips and stuff) are potentially done-for. You might find
>> that the damage may make things behave strangely rather than total
>> failure - Lightening damage to telecoms kit rarely takes them out
>> completely rather stupid things happen like it won't pick the line up
>> or the keypad stops working or the ringer has died.
>> 
>>  The police are developing (still?) a tazer for cars that shoots out
>> and does exactly this for persued vehicles. Another is based around a
>> stinger but instead of spikes, it has wires. Deployed just like a
>> stinger (in front of the vehicle and chased into it by police) the
>> wires  rub the bodywork of the car (fender, underneath etc) and give
>> it a few hundred KV... The EMU dies and the car limps to the side of
>> the road, arrest one bad guy.
>Yup, the car loses power, no power steering, no power brakes, guy in 
>care crashes, loses his life or severely damaged for live. family of
>victom or guy sues local law enforcement agency for all they can get and 
>most likely will
>get it. police officers have been ordered to take early retirement.
>
>    you know, if you really stop and think about it, the police can end
>up killing more people on the road by disabling vehicles, there buy 
>causing an accident and killing others that are just moseying on their
>  way to work in the morning.

My god! you're right - why didn't they think of that!  Afterall I have
never seen any video of Bad Guy causing mayhem in a perfectly
serviceable vehicle.

feebo wrote:

> On 6 Oct 2006 12:26:27 -0700, dennis702717@yahoo.com wrote:
> 
> 
>>Could a stun gun have destroyed his Legend car's electronics?
>>
>>My friend has a 1988 Acura Legend Coupe. He was trying out a stun gun
>>and accidentally zapped the car. The car wouldn't work after that. Any
>>idea what happened? What circuits should be checked out? Is there an
>>inexpensive fix for this automobile engine problem, if it was the
>>stungun that caused the problem? Could a relay or hidden fuse gotten
>>burned, perhaps?
> 
> 
> yes very easily.
> 
> Basically, any "electronic" as opposed to electrical (i.e not light
> bulbs but chips and stuff) are potentially done-for. You might find
> that the damage may make things behave strangely rather than total
> failure - Lightening damage to telecoms kit rarely takes them out
> completely rather stupid things happen like it won't pick the line up
> or the keypad stops working or the ringer has died.
> 
>  The police are developing (still?) a tazer for cars that shoots out
> and does exactly this for persued vehicles. Another is based around a
> stinger but instead of spikes, it has wires. Deployed just like a
> stinger (in front of the vehicle and chased into it by police) the
> wires  rub the bodywork of the car (fender, underneath etc) and give
> it a few hundred KV... The EMU dies and the car limps to the side of
> the road, arrest one bad guy.
Yup, the car loses power, no power steering, no power brakes, guy in 
care crashes, loses his life or severely damaged for live. family of
victom or guy sues local law enforcement agency for all they can get and 
most likely will
get it. police officers have been ordered to take early retirement.

    you know, if you really stop and think about it, the police can end
up killing more people on the road by disabling vehicles, there buy 
causing an accident and killing others that are just moseying on their
  way to work in the morning.



-- 
Real Programmers Do things like this.
http://webpages.charter.net/jamie_5

dennis702717@yahoo.com wrote:
> Could a stun gun have destroyed his Legend car's electronics?
> 
> My friend has a 1988 Acura Legend Coupe. He was trying out a stun gun
> and accidentally zapped the car. The car wouldn't work after that. Any
> idea what happened? What circuits should be checked out? Is there an
> inexpensive fix for this automobile engine problem, if it was the
> stungun that caused the problem? Could a relay or hidden fuse gotten
> burned, perhaps?
> 


Oops.

I was once playing with a "stungun" I had built from a car's ignition 
coil..Had it in pieces on my desk here..and it arced to the metal plate 
on the bottom of the PC's keyboard..The PC froze,and wouldn't boot after 
that.It appeared totally dead.
I waited like 3-4 days,and plugged in a different keyboard,and it booted 
up and worked fine for another year or two..

The car however,I feel may be completely dead.
Replacing the ECU would be a good starting point,but it won't be cheap.
Test all the sensors,ignition modules,etc..They could be toast too.
Then,once the car is running you can go from there..(The radio,any 
computerised/digital heater controls,etc. may be fried also.)

feebo wrote:
> On 6 Oct 2006 12:26:27 -0700, dennis702717@yahoo.com wrote:
> 
>> Could a stun gun have destroyed his Legend car's electronics?
>>
>> My friend has a 1988 Acura Legend Coupe. He was trying out a stun gun
>> and accidentally zapped the car. The car wouldn't work after that. Any
>> idea what happened? What circuits should be checked out? Is there an
>> inexpensive fix for this automobile engine problem, if it was the
>> stungun that caused the problem? Could a relay or hidden fuse gotten
>> burned, perhaps?
> 
> yes very easily.
> 
> Basically, any "electronic" as opposed to electrical (i.e not light
> bulbs but chips and stuff) are potentially done-for. You might find
> that the damage may make things behave strangely rather than total
> failure - Lightening damage to telecoms kit rarely takes them out
> completely rather stupid things happen like it won't pick the line up
> or the keypad stops working or the ringer has died.
> 
>  The police are developing (still?) a tazer for cars that shoots out
> and does exactly this for persued vehicles. Another is based around a
> stinger but instead of spikes, it has wires. Deployed just like a
> stinger (in front of the vehicle and chased into it by police) the
> wires  rub the bodywork of the car (fender, underneath etc) and give
> it a few hundred KV... The EMU dies and the car limps to the side of
> the road, arrest one bad guy.

Ha!  My old V8 with points would be impervious..
The only "electronic" thing in my car is the stereo..so what if it 
dies,The motor is still running.

The thing about Killing a car's ECU,is it only works on cars with ECU's!


> 
> In the early 80's we used to get free games out of video arcade
> machines by "spazzing" them with a piezo striker out of a gas hob
> lighter. By sparking to the faceplate of the coin slot, the machine
> would invariably freak out, I remember one "phoenix" machine that got
> stuck in a loop playing loud explosion sounds. We always had someone
> on the power switch so that if this happened we could switch off
> before the owner suspected anything. The best such hit was an invaders
> machine in the social club (when I was an apprentice) we gave it a few
> jabs and after the usual crap had died down (few seconds on shaking
> GFX and noises) it came up *9 in the credits - (BCD register got a
> binary value in the tens unit?)... we played it all night and the
> credits never changed. :o) switch off and back on after we were done
> to allay suspicions.

"PhattyMo" <PhattyMo@nospam.gmail> wrote in message
news:45317fd9$0$608$815e3792@news.qwest.net...
> dennis702717@yahoo.com wrote:
> > Could a stun gun have destroyed his Legend car's electronics?
> >
> > My friend has a 1988 Acura Legend Coupe. He was trying out a stun gun
> > and accidentally zapped the car. The car wouldn't work after that. Any
> > idea what happened? What circuits should be checked out? Is there an
> > inexpensive fix for this automobile engine problem, if it was the
> > stungun that caused the problem? Could a relay or hidden fuse gotten
> > burned, perhaps?
>
> Oops.
>
> I was once playing with a "stungun" I had built from a car's ignition
> coil..Had it in pieces on my desk here..and it arced to the metal plate
> on the bottom of the PC's keyboard..The PC froze,and wouldn't boot after
> that.It appeared totally dead.
> I waited like 3-4 days,and plugged in a different keyboard,and it booted
> up and worked fine for another year or two..
>
> The car however,I feel may be completely dead.
> Replacing the ECU would be a good starting point,but it won't be cheap.
> Test all the sensors,ignition modules,etc..They could be toast too.
> Then,once the car is running you can go from there..(The radio,any
> computerised/digital heater controls,etc. may be fried also.)

    I still have trouble believing that a zap to the body of a car could do
any damage. A few weeks ago, I saw a television program in which they zapped
a car from above with simulated lightning, with a reporter sitting in the
car. No damage was done either to the car or the reporter. The current
travelled through the car body to ground through the tyres.
    If it had happened inside the car, a different story, I would think....
... Johnny