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EVs Will Soon Be Vastly Cheaper To Own Than Carbon Fuel Vehicles

Started by Bret Cahill December 3, 2017
Daimler and others already pointed out that the battery upon which Tesla's e-Semi is based does not exist.  Tesla isn't just hoping a better battery will appear, however.  They have good information on it and it isn't all that insider:

http://www.businessinsider.com/new-discovery-could-be-death-blow-to-traditional-lithium-ion-batteries-2017-12

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2017/dec/01/electric-cars-already-cheaper-to-own-and-run-than-petrol-or-diesel-study


Bret Cahill



On Sun, 3 Dec 2017 10:06:16 -0800 (PST), Bret Cahill
<bretcahill@aol.com> wrote:

>Daimler and others already pointed out that the battery upon which Tesla's e-Semi is based does not exist. Tesla isn't just hoping a better battery will appear, however. They have good information on it and it isn't all that insider: > >http://www.businessinsider.com/new-discovery-could-be-death-blow-to-traditional-lithium-ion-batteries-2017-12 > >https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2017/dec/01/electric-cars-already-cheaper-to-own-and-run-than-petrol-or-diesel-study > > >Bret Cahill > >
Smart people will invest in the tow truck business. -- John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc lunatic fringe electronics
On Mon, 04 Dec 2017 08:34:15 -0800, John Larkin
<jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> wrote:

>On Sun, 3 Dec 2017 10:06:16 -0800 (PST), Bret Cahill ><bretcahill@aol.com> wrote: > >>Daimler and others already pointed out that the battery upon which Tesla's e-Semi is based does not exist. Tesla isn't just hoping a better battery will appear, however. They have good information on it and it isn't all that insider: >> >>http://www.businessinsider.com/new-discovery-could-be-death-blow-to-traditional-lithium-ion-batteries-2017-12 >> >>https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2017/dec/01/electric-cars-already-cheaper-to-own-and-run-than-petrol-or-diesel-study >> >> >>Bret Cahill >> >> > >Smart people will invest in the tow truck business.
Or trucks with engine/generators.
John Larkin wrote on 12/4/2017 11:34 AM:
> On Sun, 3 Dec 2017 10:06:16 -0800 (PST), Bret Cahill > <bretcahill@aol.com> wrote: > >> Daimler and others already pointed out that the battery upon which Tesla's e-Semi is based does not exist. Tesla isn't just hoping a better battery will appear, however. They have good information on it and it isn't all that insider: >> >> http://www.businessinsider.com/new-discovery-could-be-death-blow-to-traditional-lithium-ion-batteries-2017-12 >> >> https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2017/dec/01/electric-cars-already-cheaper-to-own-and-run-than-petrol-or-diesel-study >> >> >> Bret Cahill >> >> > > Smart people will invest in the tow truck business.
Ok, so what will you be doing? -- Rick C Viewed the eclipse at Wintercrest Farms, on the centerline of totality since 1998
default wrote on 12/4/2017 10:15 PM:
> On Mon, 04 Dec 2017 08:34:15 -0800, John Larkin > <jjlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> wrote: > >> On Sun, 3 Dec 2017 10:06:16 -0800 (PST), Bret Cahill >> <bretcahill@aol.com> wrote: >> >>> Daimler and others already pointed out that the battery upon which Tesla's e-Semi is based does not exist. Tesla isn't just hoping a better battery will appear, however. They have good information on it and it isn't all that insider: >>> >>> http://www.businessinsider.com/new-discovery-could-be-death-blow-to-traditional-lithium-ion-batteries-2017-12 >>> >>> https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2017/dec/01/electric-cars-already-cheaper-to-own-and-run-than-petrol-or-diesel-study >>> >>> >>> Bret Cahill >>> >>> >> >> Smart people will invest in the tow truck business. > > Or trucks with engine/generators.
I'm still considering getting a Tesla. I'll be able to buy a Model 3 with the current standard package in 3 or 4 months or I can wait a bit longer and buy one the way I want it configured. I need to look at the options a bit harder to see if waiting is worth it or not. I also want to get more info on just how different the Model 3 is from the Model S or X. With a range of 310 miles there won't be much problem getting from refueling station to station even on long trips. The 480 mile trip has five options for refueling which only needs to be done once, same as in my truck with a 440 mile range. -- Rick C Viewed the eclipse at Wintercrest Farms, on the centerline of totality since 1998
> >>> Daimler and others already pointed out that the battery upon which Tesla's e-Semi is based does not exist. Tesla isn't just hoping a better battery will appear, however. They have good information on it and it isn't all that insider: > >>> > >>> http://www.businessinsider.com/new-discovery-could-be-death-blow-to-traditional-lithium-ion-batteries-2017-12 > >>> > >>> https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2017/dec/01/electric-cars-already-cheaper-to-own-and-run-than-petrol-or-diesel-study
> >> Smart people will invest in the tow truck business. > > > > Or trucks with engine/generators. > > I'm still considering getting a Tesla. I'll be able to buy a Model 3 with > the current standard package in 3 or 4 months or I can wait a bit longer and > buy one the way I want it configured.
Toyota claims they have a solid state Li-Ion battery coming out next year and a Stanford-Taiwanese group claim they will have an aluminum battery about the same time. Goodenough and a Swiss firm claim they have a Na-ion battery but that'll be 10 years.
> I need to look at the options a bit > harder to see if waiting is worth it or not. I also want to get more info > on just how different the Model 3 is from the Model S or X. With a range of > 310 miles there won't be much problem getting from refueling station to > station even on long trips. The 480 mile trip has five options for > refueling which only needs to be done once, same as in my truck with a 440 > mile range.
An EV may work out even if you make two long trips / month in a rental. Bret Cahill
> >Daimler and others already pointed out that the battery upon which Tesla's e-Semi is based does not exist. Tesla isn't just hoping a better battery will appear, however. They have good information on it and it isn't all that insider:
> >http://www.businessinsider.com/new-discovery-could-be-death-blow-to-traditional-lithium-ion-batteries-2017-12
> >https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2017/dec/01/electric-cars-already-cheaper-to-own-and-run-than-petrol-or-diesel-study
> Smart people will invest in the tow truck business.
Even with short range & long charging times EV tow trucks make sense right now as they generally don't go far.
On Tue, 5 Dec 2017 09:00:46 -0800 (PST), Bret Cahill
<bretcahill@aol.com> wrote:

>> >>> Daimler and others already pointed out that the battery upon which Tesla's e-Semi is based does not exist. Tesla isn't just hoping a better battery will appear, however. They have good information on it and it isn't all that insider: >> >>> >> >>> http://www.businessinsider.com/new-discovery-could-be-death-blow-to-traditional-lithium-ion-batteries-2017-12 >> >>> >> >>> https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2017/dec/01/electric-cars-already-cheaper-to-own-and-run-than-petrol-or-diesel-study > >> >> Smart people will invest in the tow truck business. >> > >> > Or trucks with engine/generators. >> >> I'm still considering getting a Tesla. I'll be able to buy a Model 3 with >> the current standard package in 3 or 4 months or I can wait a bit longer and >> buy one the way I want it configured. > >Toyota claims they have a solid state Li-Ion battery coming out next year and a Stanford-Taiwanese group claim they will have an aluminum battery about the same time. Goodenough and a Swiss firm claim they have a Na-ion battery but that'll be 10 years. > >> I need to look at the options a bit >> harder to see if waiting is worth it or not. I also want to get more info >> on just how different the Model 3 is from the Model S or X. With a range of >> 310 miles there won't be much problem getting from refueling station to >> station even on long trips. The 480 mile trip has five options for >> refueling which only needs to be done once, same as in my truck with a 440 >> mile range. > >An EV may work out even if you make two long trips / month in a rental. > > >Bret Cahill >
I'm sure they'll work it out. The market demands it, presumably with all the different technologies manufacturers should be starting to set some charging and connector or whatever standards today. Or maybe they plan to play the old vhs/beta game with incompatible competing technologies?
On Tue, 5 Dec 2017 09:05:56 -0800 (PST), Bret Cahill
<bretcahill@aol.com> wrote:

>> >Daimler and others already pointed out that the battery upon which Tesla's e-Semi is based does not exist. Tesla isn't just hoping a better battery will appear, however. They have good information on it and it isn't all that insider: > >> >http://www.businessinsider.com/new-discovery-could-be-death-blow-to-traditional-lithium-ion-batteries-2017-12 > >> >https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2017/dec/01/electric-cars-already-cheaper-to-own-and-run-than-petrol-or-diesel-study > >> Smart people will invest in the tow truck business. > >Even with short range & long charging times EV tow trucks make sense right now as they generally don't go far. > >
Or small gas turbine APU's that they could drop off with stranded motorists, that they just chuck in the trunk and return when they can. There's lots of ways to make this work. It will be interesting to see how it all plays out.
On Tue, 05 Dec 2017 13:32:43 -0500, default <default@defaulter.net>
wrote:

>On Tue, 5 Dec 2017 09:05:56 -0800 (PST), Bret Cahill ><bretcahill@aol.com> wrote: > >>> >Daimler and others already pointed out that the battery upon which Tesla's e-Semi is based does not exist. Tesla isn't just hoping a better battery will appear, however. They have good information on it and it isn't all that insider: >> >>> >http://www.businessinsider.com/new-discovery-could-be-death-blow-to-traditional-lithium-ion-batteries-2017-12 >> >>> >https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2017/dec/01/electric-cars-already-cheaper-to-own-and-run-than-petrol-or-diesel-study >> >>> Smart people will invest in the tow truck business. >> >>Even with short range & long charging times EV tow trucks make sense right now as they generally don't go far. >> >> >Or small gas turbine APU's that they could drop off with stranded >motorists, that they just chuck in the trunk and return when they can. > >There's lots of ways to make this work. It will be interesting to see >how it all plays out.
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