On Wednesday, December 6, 2023 at 11:06:20 AM UTC-5, John Larkin wrote:
> On Wed, 06 Dec 2023 09:29:12 -0500, Joe Gwinn <joeg...@comcast.net>
> wrote: 
> 
> >On Tue, 05 Dec 2023 14:55:29 -0800, john larkin <j...@650pot.com> wrote: 
> > 
> >>On Tue, 05 Dec 2023 14:56:42 -0700, boB <b...@K7IQ.com> wrote: 
> >> 
> >>>On Tue, 05 Dec 2023 12:58:17 -0800, john larkin <j...@650pot.com> wrote: 
> >>> 
> >>>>On Tue, 5 Dec 2023 15:51:47 -0500 (EST), Martin Rid 
> >>>><martin...@verison.net> wrote: 
> >>>> 
> >>>>>john larkin <j...@650pot.com> Wrote in message:r 
> >>>>>> The agent8 kill filter message-id: googlegroups.comelimninates the terrible spam I've been seeing. I guess it willeliminate some semi-legit posts. 
> >>>>> 
> >>>>>Works for me 
> >>>> 
> >>>>What usenet snobs we are! 
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>>Found a good tutorial on using regular expressions in AGENT filters. 
> >>> 
> >>><https://alt.usenet.offline-reader.forte-agent.narkive.com/MVlCzh4Z/agent-regular-expression-filter> 
> >>> 
> >>>It's just an archive from the agent group. Some good examples 
> >>>explained pretty well. 
> >>> 
> >>>I'll be playing with this a bit. Hopefully I come up with something 
> >>>useful 
> >>> 
> >>>boB 
> >> 
> >>It would be cool to kill google posts but allow a few real people to 
> >>post. 
> > 
> >This ought to be possible if one puts a white list rule (that also 
> >stops further rule processing) before the kill google groups filter. 
> > 
> >Joe Gwinn
> Maybe Agent8 can do that. I don't have time to figure that out right 
> now. 
> 
> I did ping Supernews and they claim to be working on the spam issue.

The Self individual doesn't believe in getting bogged down with too many calculations. He insists on graphing everything, probably because his oversimplifications of equivalent circuits depart from reality too much.

On Wed, 06 Dec 2023 09:29:12 -0500, Joe Gwinn <joegwinn@comcast.net>
wrote:

>On Tue, 05 Dec 2023 14:55:29 -0800, john larkin <jl@650pot.com> wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 05 Dec 2023 14:56:42 -0700, boB <boB@K7IQ.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On Tue, 05 Dec 2023 12:58:17 -0800, john larkin <jl@650pot.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Tue, 5 Dec 2023 15:51:47 -0500 (EST), Martin Rid
>>>><martin_riddle@verison.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>john larkin <jl@650pot.com> Wrote in message:r
>>>>>> The agent8 kill filter  message-id: googlegroups.comelimninates the terrible spam I've been seeing. I guess it willeliminate some semi-legit posts.
>>>>>
>>>>>Works for me 
>>>>
>>>>What usenet snobs we are!
>>>
>>>
>>>Found a good tutorial on using regular expressions in AGENT filters.
>>>
>>><https://alt.usenet.offline-reader.forte-agent.narkive.com/MVlCzh4Z/agent-regular-expression-filter>
>>>
>>>It's just an archive from the agent group.  Some good examples
>>>explained pretty well.
>>>
>>>I'll be playing with this a bit.  Hopefully I come up with something
>>>useful
>>>
>>>boB
>>
>>It would be cool to kill google posts but allow a few real people to
>>post.
>
>This ought to be possible if one puts a white list rule (that also
>stops further rule processing) before the kill google groups filter.
>
>Joe Gwinn

Maybe Agent8 can do that. I don't have time to figure that out right
now. 

I did ping Supernews and they claim to be working on the spam issue.

On Tuesday, December 5, 2023 at 9:48:42 PM UTC-5, John Smiht wrote:
> On Tuesday, December 5, 2023 at 5:12:03 PM UTC-6, Fred Bloggs wrote: 
> > On Tuesday, December 5, 2023 at 1:29:07 PM UTC-5, john larkin wrote: 
> > > The agent8 kill filter 
> > > 
> > > message-id: googlegroups.com 
> > > 
> > > elimninates the terrible spam I've been seeing. I guess it will 
> > > eliminate some semi-legit posts. 
> > I spam reported over a 1,000 of those things from within google groups, they went back as far as mid-November. Google makes it real easy to do a group spam report for each 30-line page. You just select the whole page and then de-select the very small number of real posts, usually none, on the page. Then press report symbol. I thought it would clean up the display but it didn't. In place of the spam post they have an italicized message about why the post is hidden, so the display is still a wasteland.
> Yes, but it is much easier to pick out the listed posts you deselected, don't you think?

My google groups is almost all spam per page, with maybe 0-3 real posts. Each page is 30 posts. So it's much easier to select the whole page and then deselect the 0-3 real posts. You hit the report spam icon, and the whole selected bunch gets reported at one time. It seems to be working, I didn't see a one new post of that garbage I reported yesterday. There were about 60 brand new spam authors today, and they were all reported the same way. It takes under a minute to get rid of that many.

> > Also inadvertently discovered Google won't allow me to report my own post as spam. Must cause their report collection bot to flip out.

On Tue, 05 Dec 2023 14:55:29 -0800, john larkin <jl@650pot.com> wrote:

>On Tue, 05 Dec 2023 14:56:42 -0700, boB <boB@K7IQ.com> wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 05 Dec 2023 12:58:17 -0800, john larkin <jl@650pot.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On Tue, 5 Dec 2023 15:51:47 -0500 (EST), Martin Rid
>>><martin_riddle@verison.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>john larkin <jl@650pot.com> Wrote in message:r
>>>>> The agent8 kill filter  message-id: googlegroups.comelimninates the terrible spam I've been seeing. I guess it willeliminate some semi-legit posts.
>>>>
>>>>Works for me 
>>>
>>>What usenet snobs we are!
>>
>>
>>Found a good tutorial on using regular expressions in AGENT filters.
>>
>><https://alt.usenet.offline-reader.forte-agent.narkive.com/MVlCzh4Z/agent-regular-expression-filter>
>>
>>It's just an archive from the agent group.  Some good examples
>>explained pretty well.
>>
>>I'll be playing with this a bit.  Hopefully I come up with something
>>useful
>>
>>boB
>
>It would be cool to kill google posts but allow a few real people to
>post.

This ought to be possible if one puts a white list rule (that also
stops further rule processing) before the kill google groups filter.

Joe Gwinn

On 6/12/2023 2:20 pm, John Larkin wrote:
> On Tue, 5 Dec 2023 18:46:08 -0800 (PST), John Smiht
> <utube.jocjo@xoxy.net> wrote:
> 
>> On Tuesday, December 5, 2023 at 7:44:19?PM UTC-6, Bill Sloman wrote:
>>> On 6/12/2023 9:55 am, john larkin wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 05 Dec 2023 14:56:42 -0700, boB <b...@K7IQ.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, 05 Dec 2023 12:58:17 -0800, john larkin <j...@650pot.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, 5 Dec 2023 15:51:47 -0500 (EST), Martin Rid
>>>>>> <martin...@verison.net> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> john larkin <j...@650pot.com> Wrote in message:r
>>>>>>>> The agent8 kill filter message-id: googlegroups.comelimninates the terrible spam I've been seeing. I guess it willeliminate some semi-legit posts.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Works for me
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What usenet snobs we are!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Found a good tutorial on using regular expressions in AGENT filters.
>>>>>
>>>>> https://alt.usenet.offline-reader.forte-agent.narkive.com/MVlCzh4Z/agent-regular-expression-filter
>>>>>
>>>>> It's just an archive from the agent group. Some good examples
>>>>> explained pretty well.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'll be playing with this a bit. Hopefully I come up with something
>>>>> useful
>>>>
>>>> It would be cool to kill google posts but allow a few real people to post.
 >>>
>>> Sadly, both John Larkin and "a a" appear to be real. "Real" doesn't mean
>>> constructive, well-informed or useful.
>>
>> Just had to get another jab in, didn't ya?
> 
> It's clearly pathological. Sad. Just ignore him.

John Larkin expects to be flattered. He clearly imagines that he is 
perfect just the way he is, so critical comments can only be malicious 
insults. That's a pretty pathological state.

-- 
Bill Sloman, Sydney

On 6/12/2023 1:46 pm, John Smiht wrote:
> On Tuesday, December 5, 2023 at 7:44:19 PM UTC-6, Bill Sloman wrote:
>> On 6/12/2023 9:55 am, john larkin wrote:
>>> On Tue, 05 Dec 2023 14:56:42 -0700, boB <b...@K7IQ.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Tue, 05 Dec 2023 12:58:17 -0800, john larkin <j...@650pot.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, 5 Dec 2023 15:51:47 -0500 (EST), Martin Rid
>>>>> <martin...@verison.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> john larkin <j...@650pot.com> Wrote in message:r
>>>>>>> The agent8 kill filter message-id: googlegroups.comelimninates the terrible spam I've been seeing. I guess it willeliminate some semi-legit posts.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Works for me
>>>>>
>>>>> What usenet snobs we are!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Found a good tutorial on using regular expressions in AGENT filters.
>>>>
>>>> https://alt.usenet.offline-reader.forte-agent.narkive.com/MVlCzh4Z/agent-regular-expression-filter
>>>>
>>>> It's just an archive from the agent group. Some good examples
>>>> explained pretty well.
>>>>
>>>> I'll be playing with this a bit. Hopefully I come up with something
>>>> useful
>>>
>>> It would be cool to kill google posts but allow a few real people to post.
>> Sadly, both John Larkin and "a a" appear to be real. "Real" doesn't mean
>> constructive, well-informed or useful.
> 
> Just had to get another jab in, didn't ya?

My mistake. Sadly, John Larkin, John Smiht and "a a" all appear to be 
real. "Real" doesn't mean constructive, well-informed or useful.

-- '
Bill Sloman, Sydney

On 2023-12-06 04:54, Bob Engelhardt wrote:
> On 12/5/2023 6:06 PM, Mike Monett VE3BTI wrote:
>> I use XNEWS and a PLONK file. I see very little new spam.
>>
>> [...]
> 
> Wait!  You aren't seeing the 300 or so new daily garbage posts?  Mostly eastern languages, although today was Roman alphabet.  SED and RCM have been the most affected ones that I read.  The ones with Subjects like:
> "✅MEGAHOKI88 | ✅MEGAHOKI88 ASIA | ✅MEGAHOKI88 LOGIN | ✅MEGAHOKI88 SLOT | ✅MEGAHOKI88 LINK ALTERNATIF | ✅LINK ALTERNATIF MEGAHOKI88 | ✅LINK MEGAHOKI88 LINK GACOR"
> 
> It's easy enough to Select All (CTRL-A) & Ignore (K).  Except for the few posts that are legitimate and have to be id'ed.

It depends on the provider.
I tried the 'paid' KPN.nl (comes with my internet connection) which passes all spam.
Now I use the free provider news.eternal-september.org which removes all the spam.
Maybe also everything else posted through google groups - mostly clueless stuff anyway.

Arie

On 12/5/2023 6:06 PM, Mike Monett VE3BTI wrote:
> I use XNEWS and a PLONK file. I see very little new spam.
> 
>[...]

Wait!  You aren't seeing the 300 or so new daily garbage posts?  Mostly 
eastern languages, although today was Roman alphabet.  SED and RCM have 
been the most affected ones that I read.  The ones with Subjects like:
"✅MEGAHOKI88 | ✅MEGAHOKI88 ASIA | ✅MEGAHOKI88 LOGIN | ✅MEGAHOKI88 SLOT | 
✅MEGAHOKI88 LINK ALTERNATIF | ✅LINK ALTERNATIF MEGAHOKI88 | ✅LINK 
MEGAHOKI88 LINK GACOR"

It's easy enough to Select All (CTRL-A) & Ignore (K).  Except for the 
few posts that are legitimate and have to be id'ed.

john larkin <jl@650pot.com> wrote:
> It would be cool to kill google posts but allow a few real people to
> post.

A decent newsreader will allow you to do exactly this.  Note, I don't
know if ForteAgent has any of this, as I don't use it.

A deceent newsreader implements "kill files" not as a binary
"kill/keep" filter but rather as a scoring filter.  New articles start
out with an initial score (say zero points) and any "kill filters" they
trigger subtract points, and any "select filters" they trigger add
points.  The net points value after all the matching kill/select
filters have triggered then determines whether you see the article
highlighted to draw your attention, as a normal new post, or hidden
because you don't want to see it.

So what you would do is add a general kill filter on the google groups
User-Agent header, initially subtracting points from everything from
google groups and hiding everything from google groups.

Then you would add explicit "keep" (select) filters for user names
(From: headers) for users from google groups that you do want to see,
which would then "undo" the killing done by the general kill filter,
but just for those users for which you added the explicit filters.

The disadvantage is you have to already know which users you want to
see and/or be on the lookout for others quoting users you did not see, 
and updating your rules to "expose" those users to your view.

On Tue, 5 Dec 2023 18:46:08 -0800 (PST), John Smiht
<utube.jocjo@xoxy.net> wrote:

>On Tuesday, December 5, 2023 at 7:44:19?PM UTC-6, Bill Sloman wrote:
>> On 6/12/2023 9:55 am, john larkin wrote: 
>> > On Tue, 05 Dec 2023 14:56:42 -0700, boB <b...@K7IQ.com> wrote: 
>> > 
>> >> On Tue, 05 Dec 2023 12:58:17 -0800, john larkin <j...@650pot.com> wrote: 
>> >> 
>> >>> On Tue, 5 Dec 2023 15:51:47 -0500 (EST), Martin Rid 
>> >>> <martin...@verison.net> wrote: 
>> >>> 
>> >>>> john larkin <j...@650pot.com> Wrote in message:r 
>> >>>>> The agent8 kill filter message-id: googlegroups.comelimninates the terrible spam I've been seeing. I guess it willeliminate some semi-legit posts. 
>> >>>> 
>> >>>> Works for me 
>> >>> 
>> >>> What usenet snobs we are! 
>> >> 
>> >> 
>> >> Found a good tutorial on using regular expressions in AGENT filters. 
>> >> 
>> >> https://alt.usenet.offline-reader.forte-agent.narkive.com/MVlCzh4Z/agent-regular-expression-filter 
>> >> 
>> >> It's just an archive from the agent group. Some good examples 
>> >> explained pretty well. 
>> >> 
>> >> I'll be playing with this a bit. Hopefully I come up with something 
>> >> useful 
>> >
>> > It would be cool to kill google posts but allow a few real people to post.
>> Sadly, both John Larkin and "a a" appear to be real. "Real" doesn't mean 
>> constructive, well-informed or useful. 
>> 
>> -- 
>> Bill Sloman, Sydney
>
>Just had to get another jab in, didn't ya?

It's clearly pathological. Sad. Just ignore him.