On Thursday, December 1, 2022 at 8:17:41 PM UTC-5, Don Y wrote:
> On 12/1/2022 11:24 AM, Fred Bloggs wrote:
> > On Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 7:36:56 AM UTC-5, Don Y wrote:
> >> On 11/30/2022 5:03 AM, Fred Bloggs wrote:
> >>> On Tuesday, November 29, 2022 at 11:15:11 AM UTC-5, Don Y wrote:
> >>>> On 11/29/2022 8:32 AM, Fred Bloggs wrote:
> >>>>>>> There is such a thing as racial response to vaccination. Some
> >>>>>>> groups don't respond as well as others.
> >>>>>> In this case though it seems fairly clear now that the Sinovac has
> >>>>>> a 70% effectiveness against serious hospitalising Covid infections
> >>>>>> and death whereas any of the mRNA or AZ/J&J viral vector vaccines
> >>>>>> are 90% effective. They also have a really bad demographics
> >>>>>> problem in China where people over the age of 80 do not believe in
> >>>>>> modern medicine.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> 70% effectiveness is actually outstandingly good for a conventional
> >>>>> whole virus vaccine. The original U.S. target for COVID-19 vaccine
> >>>>> approval was just 50%. Then the mRNA vaccine has this unprecedented
> >>>>> effectiveness which seems too good to be true. Actually it is too
> >>>>> good to be true because it fades significantly by six months to no
> >>>>> better than the whole virus vaccine. Whole virus vaccines have a
> >>>>> track record of inducing immunity for life, the
> >>>> That's not entirely true. There are many "childhood illnesses" that
> >>>> can come back and bite you, later in life, despite vaccination.
> >>>> Pertussis and varicella (and *then* "shingles") are notably resilient.
> >>>> Ditto mumps and meningococcal disease. Smallpox and polio, if at risk
> >>>> of exposure, also wane. Flu vaccines wane before the end of the flu
> >>>> *season*!
> >>>
> >>> True immunity never wanes. Beyond a certain age, like 50, your immune
> >>> system begins to fail you. The immunity is still there but you can't do
> >>> much with it. In addition to old age, other conditions commonly present
> >>> in old age also work to compromise the immune system, conditions like
> >>> diabetes and internal organ dysfunction, especially the liver, damaged
> >>> from previous disease or alcohol or substance abuse or long term use of
> >>> certain medications, immunosuppressants for old age related disease like
> >>> arthritis- the list is endless. Do you see how grossly oversimplified
> >>> and unrealistic your viewpoint is now?
> >> From
> >> <https://www.science.org/content/article/how-long-do-vaccines-last-surprising-answers-may-help-protect-people-longer>:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> "It's not just flu. Recent studies show vaccines for mumps, pertussis,
> >> meningococcal disease, and yellow fever also lose their effectiveness
> >> faster than official immunization recommendations suggest. Vaccines have
> >> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ been a crucial
> >> public health tool for decades, so it may seem strange that their
> >> durability isn't well understood. But vaccines are approved and come to
> >> market years before it's clear how long protection lasts. Later, fading
> >> protection can go unnoticed because a vaccine in wide use has largely
> >> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ eliminated transmission of the
> >> microbes it protects against, making "breakthrough" infections rare. Even
> >> if viruses or bacteria are still in circulation, people vaccinated against
> >> them will sometimes receive natural boosting of their immunity. And
> >> declining vaccine immunity is not an all-or-nothing phenomenon: A
> >> breakthrough infection often leads to much less severe symptoms of the
> >> disease."
> >>
> >> Do you see how ignorant/dated your understanding is?
> >
> > Author is a professional content provider.
> Yes, so obviously everything he is REPORTING ON is false.
Where did I say he made false statements? Show me exactly where I made that statement. Content providers only very rarely understand their subject matter so their exposition is superficial and gives the uneducated reader a false sense of expertise. You're a case in point.
> Sort of like anonymous posters in electronics newsgroups
> with nothing to say about electronics?
How is a misconstrued statement about worthless content providers "sort of like anonymous posters in electronics newsgroups?"
Here's how you're completely wrong about waning immunity from vaccination and how you're completely wrong about some things.
Take the Shingles vaccine for older people, generally over 50. Shingles is a herpes virus. People in that age group don't "catch" shingles. The shingles they come down with is a reactivation of an internal latent reservoir of the virus from a previous childhood infection, it was not something they caught. Now here's the shocker for you. Nobody cares about you and your shingles. The main reason they want you old reservoir carriers re-vaccinated is to assure complete suppression of the re-activation so you don't go around spreading the infection to the most vulnerable in society, the children, who in turn will perpetuate the cycle when they get older. Apparently you can do this by just being present, you don't have to cough, sneeze, spit or touch a victim to infect them. So vaccinating older people is all part of the eradication strategy.
Shingles isn't the only disease that does this. This can happen with *any* virus that is not completely cleared after infection and establishes a latent reservoir for itself. Long COVID looks like the SARS-CoV-2 falls in that category. And old age is not the only thing can result in a re-activation. Coming down with a severe infection that hogs every bit of resource your immunity can muster has been known to do the same thing.
All immunity, acquired through vaccine or infection, "wanes" with old age. And why shouldn't it? Your whole life is waning. Death beds aren't exactly occupied by people full of vitality.
You can't vaccinate a fence post. Almost all medical treatments, therapies, and what nots, for infectious disease, rely on the health of the patient, such as it is, to finish the job.
> > Did you miss the:
> >
> > "A breakthrough infection often leads to much less severe symptoms of the
> > disease."
> >
> > That's not a coincidence, it's because of residual immunity from the
> > original vaccination.
> BECAUSE THE IMMUNITY *WANES*. Otherwise, you would expect the same
> sort of response as shortly after innoculation!
> > "much less severe" means most people don't even know they have it.
> And where did you come up with THAT definition?
> > You can't immunize a fence post. If people allow their health to decline,
> > develop chronic illness, abuse substances, or a bunch of other things ( even
> > settling into an ultra sedentary existence is very damaging ), then don't
> > expect your immunity to come through for you.
> Wow, you must really be pissed that the World is as imperfect as it is!
> I'm sure you never expect a doctor -- YOUR doctor -- to give less than
> 100% and NEVER BE WRONG. And, police to never beat suspects (innocent
> until proven guilty). And, spouses to be unfaithful. And, countries
> to wage wars...
>
> Not everything is the fault of the individual. I wonder how your attitude
> would change had you been born a black female? Obviously, you would blame
> yourself for your plight in life...