On Thu, 30 Jun 2022 07:22:47 -0700, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com
wrote:

>On Thu, 30 Jun 2022 07:02:27 -0700 (PDT), a a <manta103g@gmail.com>
>wrote:
>
>>On Thursday, 30 June 2022 at 15:51:08 UTC+2, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
>>> On Thu, 30 Jun 2022 04:29:06 -0700 (PDT), a a <mant...@gmail.com> 
>>> wrote:
>>> >On Thursday, 30 June 2022 at 04:15:49 UTC+2, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote: 
>>> >> On Wed, 29 Jun 2022 18:07:25 +0100, Clive Arthur 
>>> >> <cl...@nowaytoday.co.uk> wrote: 
>>> >> 
>>> >> >On 29/06/2022 15:06, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote: 
>>> >> >> On Wed, 29 Jun 2022 10:44:11 +0100, Clive Arthur 
>>> >> >> <cl...@nowaytoday.co.uk> wrote: 
>>> >> >> 
>>> >> >>> Anyone used one of these?... 
>>> >> >>> 
>>> >> >>> https://www.crowdsupply.com/andy-haas/haasoscope 
>>> >> >>> 
>>> >> >>> It's plenty fast enough for my current project and I need four channels. 
>>> >> >>> 
>>> >> >>> It would allow me to share live screens with my client on Skype - my 
>>> >> >>> main scope can't do that, and I'm too mean to spend a lot. 
>>> >> >> 
>>> >> >> Aim a camera at your screen? 
>>> >> >> 
>>> >> > 
>>> >> >If I used a webcam for the 'scope people might expect me to turn it 
>>> >> >round and use it for me, but I'm happier with audio and sharing screens. 
>>> >> > 
>>> >> >My office is in my house, and I'm rarely presentable. 
>>> >> We have a FLIR thermal imager with a horrible non-standard USB cable 
>>> >> and interface. The way to export images is to photograph them with a 
>>> >> cell phone camera. 
>>> >exactly 
>>> >you have demo version not fit for doing any business 
>>> >buy FLIR PRO thermal imager to get usb image transfer support
>>> We have an E45 with the close-up germanium lens. It will image the hot 
>>> spot on an 0603 resistor. It cost $12K. 
>>> 
>>> https://www.dropbox.com/s/uda77g9w66x3u9f/Flir_E45_WA_Lens.JPG?raw=1 
>>> 
>>> https://www.dropbox.com/s/mlaf2yce2z3xiv7/IR_0025.jpg?raw=1 
>>> 
>>> https://www.dropbox.com/s/rxk5dd8i6gr74nq/PCB_Short.jpg?raw=1 
>>> 
>>> https://www.dropbox.com/s/mkz9haus0gmxh3p/1206_IR.jpg?raw=1
>>I have built thermal imager based on Night Vision system,  converting grey scale image into thermal map.
>>Project is highly intelligent, based on AI learning algorithms for flashing objects with IR light gradient to get thermal response.
>>
>>Spent $200 for Night Vision and one-month for scripting job to get thermal maps.
>>
>>There is no other way to get high-resolution thermal maps and it doesn't matter if you pay $1000 or $1M
>>
>>At the same time I can get fullHD Night Vision at $300 + real time image processing to get thermal maps for free
>
>We design electronics (on topic!) and need to know temp rise on really
>tiny parts. The cheap imagers won't focus close enough to scope small
>stuff.
>
>We got a free sample of a Flir benchtop thing (that's another story)
>
>https://www.dropbox.com/s/y8gjiyysz8tc3xd/Demo_Imager.JPG?raw=1
>
>but it's useless to us. They deliberately made the focus
>not-adjustable so that it can't work up close. The support post keeps
>it from working with any reasonably-sized PCB.
>
>I think Flir bought Extech to kill their upcoming thermal imager
>product line.

Does Extech make anything, or do they contract all manufacturing out
in China?  

My guess is that there are Chinese sources of thermal imagers about to
appear, with or without Extech.

But germanium optical systems will remain expensive.

Joe Gwinn

On Thu, 30 Jun 2022 07:02:27 -0700 (PDT), a a <manta103g@gmail.com>
wrote:

>On Thursday, 30 June 2022 at 15:51:08 UTC+2, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
>> On Thu, 30 Jun 2022 04:29:06 -0700 (PDT), a a <mant...@gmail.com> 
>> wrote:
>> >On Thursday, 30 June 2022 at 04:15:49 UTC+2, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote: 
>> >> On Wed, 29 Jun 2022 18:07:25 +0100, Clive Arthur 
>> >> <cl...@nowaytoday.co.uk> wrote: 
>> >> 
>> >> >On 29/06/2022 15:06, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote: 
>> >> >> On Wed, 29 Jun 2022 10:44:11 +0100, Clive Arthur 
>> >> >> <cl...@nowaytoday.co.uk> wrote: 
>> >> >> 
>> >> >>> Anyone used one of these?... 
>> >> >>> 
>> >> >>> https://www.crowdsupply.com/andy-haas/haasoscope 
>> >> >>> 
>> >> >>> It's plenty fast enough for my current project and I need four channels. 
>> >> >>> 
>> >> >>> It would allow me to share live screens with my client on Skype - my 
>> >> >>> main scope can't do that, and I'm too mean to spend a lot. 
>> >> >> 
>> >> >> Aim a camera at your screen? 
>> >> >> 
>> >> > 
>> >> >If I used a webcam for the 'scope people might expect me to turn it 
>> >> >round and use it for me, but I'm happier with audio and sharing screens. 
>> >> > 
>> >> >My office is in my house, and I'm rarely presentable. 
>> >> We have a FLIR thermal imager with a horrible non-standard USB cable 
>> >> and interface. The way to export images is to photograph them with a 
>> >> cell phone camera. 
>> >exactly 
>> >you have demo version not fit for doing any business 
>> >buy FLIR PRO thermal imager to get usb image transfer support
>> We have an E45 with the close-up germanium lens. It will image the hot 
>> spot on an 0603 resistor. It cost $12K. 
>> 
>> https://www.dropbox.com/s/uda77g9w66x3u9f/Flir_E45_WA_Lens.JPG?raw=1 
>> 
>> https://www.dropbox.com/s/mlaf2yce2z3xiv7/IR_0025.jpg?raw=1 
>> 
>> https://www.dropbox.com/s/rxk5dd8i6gr74nq/PCB_Short.jpg?raw=1 
>> 
>> https://www.dropbox.com/s/mkz9haus0gmxh3p/1206_IR.jpg?raw=1
>I have built thermal imager based on Night Vision system,  converting grey scale image into thermal map.
>Project is highly intelligent, based on AI learning algorithms for flashing objects with IR light gradient to get thermal response.
>
>Spent $200 for Night Vision and one-month for scripting job to get thermal maps.
>
>There is no other way to get high-resolution thermal maps and it doesn't matter if you pay $1000 or $1M
>
>At the same time I can get fullHD Night Vision at $300 + real time image processing to get thermal maps for free

We design electronics (on topic!) and need to know temp rise on really
tiny parts. The cheap imagers won't focus close enough to scope small
stuff.

We got a free sample of a Flir benchtop thing (that's another story)

https://www.dropbox.com/s/y8gjiyysz8tc3xd/Demo_Imager.JPG?raw=1

but it's useless to us. They deliberately made the focus
not-adjustable so that it can't work up close. The support post keeps
it from working with any reasonably-sized PCB.

I think Flir bought Extech to kill their upcoming thermal imager
product line.

On Thursday, 30 June 2022 at 15:51:08 UTC+2, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
> On Thu, 30 Jun 2022 04:29:06 -0700 (PDT), a a <mant...@gmail.com> 
> wrote:
> >On Thursday, 30 June 2022 at 04:15:49 UTC+2, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote: 
> >> On Wed, 29 Jun 2022 18:07:25 +0100, Clive Arthur 
> >> <cl...@nowaytoday.co.uk> wrote: 
> >> 
> >> >On 29/06/2022 15:06, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote: 
> >> >> On Wed, 29 Jun 2022 10:44:11 +0100, Clive Arthur 
> >> >> <cl...@nowaytoday.co.uk> wrote: 
> >> >> 
> >> >>> Anyone used one of these?... 
> >> >>> 
> >> >>> https://www.crowdsupply.com/andy-haas/haasoscope 
> >> >>> 
> >> >>> It's plenty fast enough for my current project and I need four channels. 
> >> >>> 
> >> >>> It would allow me to share live screens with my client on Skype - my 
> >> >>> main scope can't do that, and I'm too mean to spend a lot. 
> >> >> 
> >> >> Aim a camera at your screen? 
> >> >> 
> >> > 
> >> >If I used a webcam for the 'scope people might expect me to turn it 
> >> >round and use it for me, but I'm happier with audio and sharing screens. 
> >> > 
> >> >My office is in my house, and I'm rarely presentable. 
> >> We have a FLIR thermal imager with a horrible non-standard USB cable 
> >> and interface. The way to export images is to photograph them with a 
> >> cell phone camera. 
> >exactly 
> >you have demo version not fit for doing any business 
> >buy FLIR PRO thermal imager to get usb image transfer support
> We have an E45 with the close-up germanium lens. It will image the hot 
> spot on an 0603 resistor. It cost $12K. 
> 
> https://www.dropbox.com/s/uda77g9w66x3u9f/Flir_E45_WA_Lens.JPG?raw=1 
> 
> https://www.dropbox.com/s/mlaf2yce2z3xiv7/IR_0025.jpg?raw=1 
> 
> https://www.dropbox.com/s/rxk5dd8i6gr74nq/PCB_Short.jpg?raw=1 
> 
> https://www.dropbox.com/s/mkz9haus0gmxh3p/1206_IR.jpg?raw=1
I have built thermal imager based on Night Vision system,  converting grey scale image into thermal map.
Project is highly intelligent, based on AI learning algorithms for flashing objects with IR light gradient to get thermal response.

Spent $200 for Night Vision and one-month for scripting job to get thermal maps.

There is no other way to get high-resolution thermal maps and it doesn't matter if you pay $1000 or $1M

At the same time I can get fullHD Night Vision at $300 + real time image processing to get thermal maps for free

On Thu, 30 Jun 2022 04:29:06 -0700 (PDT), a a <manta103g@gmail.com>
wrote:

>On Thursday, 30 June 2022 at 04:15:49 UTC+2, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
>> On Wed, 29 Jun 2022 18:07:25 +0100, Clive Arthur
>> <cl...@nowaytoday.co.uk> wrote: 
>> 
>> >On 29/06/2022 15:06, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote: 
>> >> On Wed, 29 Jun 2022 10:44:11 +0100, Clive Arthur 
>> >> <cl...@nowaytoday.co.uk> wrote: 
>> >> 
>> >>> Anyone used one of these?... 
>> >>> 
>> >>> https://www.crowdsupply.com/andy-haas/haasoscope 
>> >>> 
>> >>> It's plenty fast enough for my current project and I need four channels. 
>> >>> 
>> >>> It would allow me to share live screens with my client on Skype - my 
>> >>> main scope can't do that, and I'm too mean to spend a lot. 
>> >> 
>> >> Aim a camera at your screen? 
>> >> 
>> > 
>> >If I used a webcam for the 'scope people might expect me to turn it 
>> >round and use it for me, but I'm happier with audio and sharing screens. 
>> > 
>> >My office is in my house, and I'm rarely presentable.
>> We have a FLIR thermal imager with a horrible non-standard USB cable 
>> and interface. The way to export images is to photograph them with a 
>> cell phone camera.
>exactly
>you have demo version not fit for doing any business
>buy FLIR PRO thermal imager to get usb image transfer support

We have an E45 with the close-up germanium lens. It will image the hot
spot on an 0603 resistor. It cost $12K.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/uda77g9w66x3u9f/Flir_E45_WA_Lens.JPG?raw=1

https://www.dropbox.com/s/mlaf2yce2z3xiv7/IR_0025.jpg?raw=1

https://www.dropbox.com/s/rxk5dd8i6gr74nq/PCB_Short.jpg?raw=1

https://www.dropbox.com/s/mkz9haus0gmxh3p/1206_IR.jpg?raw=1

On Thursday, 30 June 2022 at 04:15:49 UTC+2, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
> On Wed, 29 Jun 2022 18:07:25 +0100, Clive Arthur
> <cl...@nowaytoday.co.uk> wrote: 
> 
> >On 29/06/2022 15:06, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote: 
> >> On Wed, 29 Jun 2022 10:44:11 +0100, Clive Arthur 
> >> <cl...@nowaytoday.co.uk> wrote: 
> >> 
> >>> Anyone used one of these?... 
> >>> 
> >>> https://www.crowdsupply.com/andy-haas/haasoscope 
> >>> 
> >>> It's plenty fast enough for my current project and I need four channels. 
> >>> 
> >>> It would allow me to share live screens with my client on Skype - my 
> >>> main scope can't do that, and I'm too mean to spend a lot. 
> >> 
> >> Aim a camera at your screen? 
> >> 
> > 
> >If I used a webcam for the 'scope people might expect me to turn it 
> >round and use it for me, but I'm happier with audio and sharing screens. 
> > 
> >My office is in my house, and I'm rarely presentable.
> We have a FLIR thermal imager with a horrible non-standard USB cable 
> and interface. The way to export images is to photograph them with a 
> cell phone camera.
exactly
you have demo version not fit for doing any business
buy FLIR PRO thermal imager to get usb image transfer support

On Wed, 29 Jun 2022 18:07:25 +0100, Clive Arthur
<clive@nowaytoday.co.uk> wrote:

>On 29/06/2022 15:06, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
>> On Wed, 29 Jun 2022 10:44:11 +0100, Clive Arthur
>> <clive@nowaytoday.co.uk> wrote:
>> 
>>> Anyone used one of these?...
>>>
>>> https://www.crowdsupply.com/andy-haas/haasoscope
>>>
>>> It's plenty fast enough for my current project and I need four channels.
>>>
>>> It would allow me to share live screens with my client on Skype - my
>>> main scope can't do that, and I'm too mean to spend a lot.
>> 
>> Aim a camera at your screen?
>> 
>
>If I used a webcam for the 'scope people might expect me to turn it 
>round and use it for me, but I'm happier with audio and sharing screens.
>
>My office is in my house, and I'm rarely presentable.

We have a FLIR thermal imager with a horrible non-standard USB cable
and interface. The way to export images is to photograph them with a
cell phone camera.

On Wednesday, June 29, 2022 at 1:12:57 PM UTC-7, a a wrote:
> On Wednesday, 29 June 2022 at 21:11:37 UTC+2, Ricky wrote: 
> > On Wednesday, June 29, 2022 at 5:44:19 AM UTC-4, Clive Arthur wrote: 
> > > Anyone used one of these?... 
> > > 
> > > https://www.crowdsupply.com/andy-haas/haasoscope 
> > > 
> > > It's plenty fast enough for my current project and I need four channels. 
> > > 
> > > It would allow me to share live screens with my client on Skype - my 
> > > main scope can't do that, and I'm too mean to spend a lot. 

> > I don't understand what it does. It has no screen, just a sort of blinking light 

It's an expandable multi-channel analog front end.   Connect
to virtually any digital channel (even serial ports are supported) .

> small LCD screen not fit for any purpose 

... that's the display from a cellphone, which is a convenient but low-end option.   

> 
> Video output to large LCD monitor, laptop, tablet, smartphone (remote screen) is the must 
> 
> Don't buy fake products

Lots of uses for data logging, that don't require a display interface.

It has digital  outputs, not video (no video rate dependence), and isn't a fake product.
Only real issue with it, is the input gain/attenuation aren't as flexible as (for instance) a full digital o'scope.
Four inputs, though, are 100 MHz and twelve more go over 1 MHz for sample rate.

On Wednesday, June 29, 2022 at 6:47:46 PM UTC-4, Clive Arthur wrote:
> On 29/06/2022 20:11, Ricky wrote: 
> > On Wednesday, June 29, 2022 at 5:44:19 AM UTC-4, Clive Arthur wrote: 
> >> Anyone used one of these?... 
> >> 
> >> https://www.crowdsupply.com/andy-haas/haasoscope 
> >> 
> >> It's plenty fast enough for my current project and I need four channels. 
> >> 
> >> It would allow me to share live screens with my client on Skype - my 
> >> main scope can't do that, and I'm too mean to spend a lot. 
> > 
> > I don't understand what it does. It has no screen, just a sort of blinking light at the top of the board. I don't see anything about a useful display. They talk about "user software", even in the context of changing the trigger by customizing the "firmware". Really? I have to recompile HDL to change the trigger? 
> > 
> > WTF is this thing?
> I thought it had a USB interface and some PC software, but they don't 
> make it clear which is why I wondered if anyone had any experience of this. 

Yeah, I get it now.  I tend to shy away from the gadgets where you have to find details through the grapevine, but you might try asking at eevblog.com.  This is right up their alley.  I bet you can start a year long thread. 

-- 

Rick C.

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On 29/06/2022 20:11, Ricky wrote:
> On Wednesday, June 29, 2022 at 5:44:19 AM UTC-4, Clive Arthur wrote:
>> Anyone used one of these?...
>>
>> https://www.crowdsupply.com/andy-haas/haasoscope
>>
>> It's plenty fast enough for my current project and I need four channels.
>>
>> It would allow me to share live screens with my client on Skype - my
>> main scope can't do that, and I'm too mean to spend a lot.
> 
> I don't understand what it does.  It has no screen, just a sort of blinking light at the top of the board.  I don't see anything about a useful display.  They talk about "user software", even in the context of changing the trigger by customizing the "firmware".  Really?  I have to recompile HDL to change the trigger?
> 
> WTF is this thing?

I thought it had a USB interface and some PC software, but they don't 
make it clear which is why I wondered if anyone had any experience of this.

-- 
Cheers
Clive