> On Fri, 7 Jan 2022 13:36:34 -0500, Phil Hobbs
> <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:
>
>> Spehro Pefhany wrote:
>>> On Thu, 6 Jan 2022 15:55:37 +1100, Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 04-Jan-22 11:02 pm, Dean Hoffman wrote:
>>>>> This might be a trip down memory lane for you professional types.
>>>>> <https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2022/01/03/rip-blackberry-phones-technology/>
>>>>> There's a mention about a 4 year old who tried to flush her mom's Blackberry down the toilet.
>>>>
>>>> A salutatory warning for all those who've bought "smart" technology that
>>>> relies on a central server. The central server will only exist as long
>>>> as it either provides value to the owner, or they think they cannot turn
>>>> it off without being sued.
>>>>
>>>> In particular, if the supplier goes bankrupt, the server won't be long
>>>> for this world.
>>>>
>>>> Sylvia.
>>>
>>> Yes and that likely includes software that just checks for a 'free' or
>>> 'perpetual' license now and then.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Nah, the BB still works fine as a wifi-connected pocket computer. It's
>> just the phone stuff and the app store that went away.
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> Phil Hobbs
>
> I'm not talking about BB specifically, rather about licensed
> commercial EDA software and CAD software that phones home. Or the
> license manager software which you have to install phones home.
Yup. Ugly. I've never uses SAAS apps.
>
> If you can live with all open source or have hardware dongles it's not
> an issue.
>
Cheers
Phil Hobbs
--
Dr Philip C D Hobbs
Principal Consultant
ElectroOptical Innovations LLC / Hobbs ElectroOptics
Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics
Briarcliff Manor NY 10510
http://electrooptical.nethttp://hobbs-eo.com
Reply by Spehro Pefhany●January 7, 20222022-01-07
On Fri, 7 Jan 2022 13:36:34 -0500, Phil Hobbs
<pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:
>Spehro Pefhany wrote:
>> On Thu, 6 Jan 2022 15:55:37 +1100, Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 04-Jan-22 11:02 pm, Dean Hoffman wrote:
>>>> This might be a trip down memory lane for you professional types.
>>>> <https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2022/01/03/rip-blackberry-phones-technology/>
>>>> There's a mention about a 4 year old who tried to flush her mom's Blackberry down the toilet.
>>>
>>> A salutatory warning for all those who've bought "smart" technology that
>>> relies on a central server. The central server will only exist as long
>>> as it either provides value to the owner, or they think they cannot turn
>>> it off without being sued.
>>>
>>> In particular, if the supplier goes bankrupt, the server won't be long
>>> for this world.
>>>
>>> Sylvia.
>>
>> Yes and that likely includes software that just checks for a 'free' or
>> 'perpetual' license now and then.
>>
>>
>
>Nah, the BB still works fine as a wifi-connected pocket computer. It's
>just the phone stuff and the app store that went away.
>
>Cheers
>
>Phil Hobbs
I'm not talking about BB specifically, rather about licensed
commercial EDA software and CAD software that phones home. Or the
license manager software which you have to install phones home.
If you can live with all open source or have hardware dongles it's not
an issue.
--
Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany
Reply by Phil Hobbs●January 7, 20222022-01-07
Spehro Pefhany wrote:
> On Thu, 6 Jan 2022 15:55:37 +1100, Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid>
> wrote:
>
>> On 04-Jan-22 11:02 pm, Dean Hoffman wrote:
>>> This might be a trip down memory lane for you professional types.
>>> <https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2022/01/03/rip-blackberry-phones-technology/>
>>> There's a mention about a 4 year old who tried to flush her mom's Blackberry down the toilet.
>>
>> A salutatory warning for all those who've bought "smart" technology that
>> relies on a central server. The central server will only exist as long
>> as it either provides value to the owner, or they think they cannot turn
>> it off without being sued.
>>
>> In particular, if the supplier goes bankrupt, the server won't be long
>> for this world.
>>
>> Sylvia.
>
> Yes and that likely includes software that just checks for a 'free' or
> 'perpetual' license now and then.
>
>
Nah, the BB still works fine as a wifi-connected pocket computer. It's
just the phone stuff and the app store that went away.
Cheers
Phil Hobbs
--
Dr Philip C D Hobbs
Principal Consultant
ElectroOptical Innovations LLC / Hobbs ElectroOptics
Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics
Briarcliff Manor NY 10510
http://electrooptical.nethttp://hobbs-eo.com
Reply by Spehro Pefhany●January 7, 20222022-01-07
On Thu, 6 Jan 2022 15:55:37 +1100, Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid>
wrote:
>On 04-Jan-22 11:02 pm, Dean Hoffman wrote:
>> This might be a trip down memory lane for you professional types.
>> <https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2022/01/03/rip-blackberry-phones-technology/>
>> There's a mention about a 4 year old who tried to flush her mom's Blackberry down the toilet.
>
>A salutatory warning for all those who've bought "smart" technology that
>relies on a central server. The central server will only exist as long
>as it either provides value to the owner, or they think they cannot turn
>it off without being sued.
>
>In particular, if the supplier goes bankrupt, the server won't be long
>for this world.
>
>Sylvia.
Yes and that likely includes software that just checks for a 'free' or
'perpetual' license now and then.
--
Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany
A salutatory warning for all those who've bought "smart" technology that
relies on a central server. The central server will only exist as long
as it either provides value to the owner, or they think they cannot turn
it off without being sued.
In particular, if the supplier goes bankrupt, the server won't be long
for this world.
Sylvia.
Reply by Phil Hobbs●January 6, 20222022-01-06
bitrex wrote:
> On 1/4/22 2:09 PM, DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org wrote:
>> Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote in
>> news:sr24a7$1d4q$1@gioia.aioe.org:
>>
>>> DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org wrote:
>>>> Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote in
>>>> news:f3b100c6-b8e0-8755-c99b-f94fc789b1a2@electrooptical.net:
>>>>
>>>>> Dean Hoffman wrote:
>>>>>> This might be a trip down memory lane for you professional
>> types.
>>>>>> <https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2022/01/03/rip-
>> blackberry
>>>>>> -phones-technology/>
>>>>>> There's a mention about a 4 year old who tried to flush her
>>>>>> mom's Blackberry down the toilet.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Yup, I'm switching to a Linux phone this very day. :(
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers
>>>>>
>>>>> Phil Hobbs
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Were Blackberry phones ever "smart"? I don't think so. They were
>>>> smart wannabes. Hell an HP PID beat them.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Which ones did you have?
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>>
>>> Phil Hobbs
>>>
>>
>> To me, all I had was the phones with the keyboard still on them.
>> One I had and used in VA about 6 years ago, and the other is newer
>> and I found it in the dumpster after a vacated apartment cleanup.
>> I works fine and still has an active account, which makes me feel bad
>> that the tenant got evicted or whatever that they were not able to
>> get their possessions. There were pills and all kinds of stuff in
>> there. 4 phones total.
>>
>
> The predictive swipe-text input is so much faster than any other method
> on a smartphone once you get the hang of it, for most day-to-day use
> outside of trying to write about electronics on a mobile device. The
> kids these days don't sit there doing the two-thumb tap tango like granpa!
Now that you're in your forties, I notice you whistling much louder when
walking past the graveyard. ;)
Cheers
Phil Hobbs
--
Dr Philip C D Hobbs
Principal Consultant
ElectroOptical Innovations LLC / Hobbs ElectroOptics
Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics
Briarcliff Manor NY 10510
http://electrooptical.nethttp://hobbs-eo.com
Reply by ●January 6, 20222022-01-06
bitrex <user@example.net> wrote in
news:gO4BJ.187529$Wkjc.72993@fx35.iad:
> On 1/4/22 2:09 PM, DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org wrote:
>> Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote in
>> news:sr24a7$1d4q$1@gioia.aioe.org:
>>
>>> DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org wrote:
>>>> Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote in
>>>> news:f3b100c6-b8e0-8755-c99b-f94fc789b1a2@electrooptical.net:
>>>>
>>>>> Dean Hoffman wrote:
>>>>>> This might be a trip down memory lane for you professional
>> types.
>>>>>> <https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2022/01/03/rip-
>> blackberry
>>>>>> -phones-technology/>
>>>>>> There's a mention about a 4 year old who tried to flush
>>>>>> her mom's Blackberry down the toilet.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Yup, I'm switching to a Linux phone this very day. :(
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers
>>>>>
>>>>> Phil Hobbs
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Were Blackberry phones ever "smart"? I don't think so. They
>>>> were smart wannabes. Hell an HP PID beat them.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Which ones did you have?
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>>
>>> Phil Hobbs
>>>
>>
>> To me, all I had was the phones with the keyboard still on
>> them.
>> One I had and used in VA about 6 years ago, and the other is
>> newer and I found it in the dumpster after a vacated apartment
>> cleanup. I works fine and still has an active account, which
>> makes me feel bad that the tenant got evicted or whatever that
>> they were not able to get their possessions. There were pills
>> and all kinds of stuff in there. 4 phones total.
>>
>
> The predictive swipe-text input is so much faster than any other
> method on a smartphone once you get the hang of it, for most
> day-to-day use outside of trying to write about electronics on a
> mobile device. The kids these days don't sit there doing the
> two-thumb tap tango like granpa!
>
Them spending so much time texting on a phone to the point that they
get good at that crap are wasting way too much of their time. I am
busy getting shit done. I got no time for texting and when I do it
is concise full words not concatenated fool words. I prefer just
talking hands free as I continue to get whatever I was doing done.
It has wasted hundreds of thousand of hours in the workplace. One
place I worked did not allow them in many labs and some labs you
could not even have a pencil or so much as a toothpick and there were
white noise generators above the doors to keep folks from hearing lab
conversations. Hell, there were labs I was not even allowed in at
that time.
Reply by Mike Coon●January 5, 20222022-01-05
In article <Fb1BJ.72147$xe2.27000@fx16.iad>, user@example.net says...
>
> An unusual lady, though unfortunately our short relationship was not
to
> last. In hindsight I felt like she may have kept a business-oriented
> device for the "business" of conferring with her many suitors.
A suite of suitors, I guess...
Reply by bitrex●January 4, 20222022-01-04
On 1/4/22 2:09 PM, DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org wrote:
> Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote in
> news:sr24a7$1d4q$1@gioia.aioe.org:
>
>> DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno@decadence.org wrote:
>>> Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote in
>>> news:f3b100c6-b8e0-8755-c99b-f94fc789b1a2@electrooptical.net:
>>>
>>>> Dean Hoffman wrote:
>>>>> This might be a trip down memory lane for you professional
> types.
>>>>> <https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2022/01/03/rip-
> blackberry
>>>>> -phones-technology/>
>>>>> There's a mention about a 4 year old who tried to flush her
>>>>> mom's Blackberry down the toilet.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Yup, I'm switching to a Linux phone this very day. :(
>>>>
>>>> Cheers
>>>>
>>>> Phil Hobbs
>>>>
>>>
>>> Were Blackberry phones ever "smart"? I don't think so. They were
>>> smart wannabes. Hell an HP PID beat them.
>>>
>>
>> Which ones did you have?
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> Phil Hobbs
>>
>
> To me, all I had was the phones with the keyboard still on them.
> One I had and used in VA about 6 years ago, and the other is newer
> and I found it in the dumpster after a vacated apartment cleanup.
> I works fine and still has an active account, which makes me feel bad
> that the tenant got evicted or whatever that they were not able to
> get their possessions. There were pills and all kinds of stuff in
> there. 4 phones total.
>
The predictive swipe-text input is so much faster than any other method
on a smartphone once you get the hang of it, for most day-to-day use
outside of trying to write about electronics on a mobile device. The
kids these days don't sit there doing the two-thumb tap tango like granpa!
Reply by bitrex●January 4, 20222022-01-04
On 1/4/22 5:09 PM, Dean Hoffman wrote:
> On Tuesday, January 4, 2022 at 1:26:36 PM UTC-6, bitrex wrote:
>> On 1/4/22 7:02 AM, Dean Hoffman wrote:
>>> This might be a trip down memory lane for you professional types.
>>> <https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2022/01/03/rip-blackberry-phones-technology/>
>>> There's a mention about a 4 year old who tried to flush her mom's Blackberry down the toilet.
>>>
>> Back when I was single I went on a few dates with a significantly
>> younger woman who carried a BlackBerry device long after it was
>> unfashionable among even among people my age. "I like the analog buttons
>> the best, I hate poking at a screen." She drove a Chrysler IIRC.
>>
>> An unusual lady, though unfortunately our short relationship was not to
>> last. In hindsight I felt like she may have kept a business-oriented
>> device for the "business" of conferring with her many suitors.
>>
>> A related sea shanty:
>>
>> <https://youtu.be/b2JO-i2aPs8>
>
> I had to look closely to see the glasses in front of the guys on the right
> hand side. There's no connection but the song
> Brandy (You're a Fine Girl) by Looking Glass popped into my head.
> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mTqTE7aNjZQ>
>
Sweet Rickenbacker bass, some nice Wurlitzer piano work on that tune.
Comment: "The songs we grew up with in the 70’s told stories. They
sucked you in. I can envision Brandy getting the sailors drinks. I can
picture the busy harbor. Stories. Today, it is rare to find any thought
provoking songs. Same old boring crap these days, money money money."
Well it's a good song but the story is an old one. Here's a more recent
popular song with 10 times as many views called "Bitch I'm a cow" (the
boomers love this one):
<https://youtu.be/mXnJqYwebF8>
"It is what it is"