On Sunday, December 5, 2021 at 11:48:36 AM UTC+11, Flyguy wrote:
> On Wednesday, December 1, 2021 at 8:00:45 PM UTC-8, bill....@ieee.org wrote: 
> > On Thursday, December 2, 2021 at 2:37:34 PM UTC+11, Flyguy wrote: 
> > > On Wednesday, December 1, 2021 at 5:59:37 PM UTC-8, bill....@ieee.org wrote: 
> > > > On Thursday, December 2, 2021 at 2:20:19 AM UTC+11, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote: 
> > > > > On Wed, 1 Dec 2021 00:31:29 -0800 (PST), whit3rd <whi...@gmail.com> 
> > > > > wrote: 
> > > > > >On Tuesday, November 30, 2021 at 8:40:54 PM UTC-8, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote: 

<snip>

> > > > > Has anyone driven the west side highway in Manhattan lately? In a boat? 
> > > 
> > > > Not since Hurricane Sandy (when it did get submerged). This does seem to be the sort of thing that Hansen has predicted (in broad terms) back in 1988 and some reporting clown had misunderstood to be a prediction of a persistent state. The climate change denial propaganda machine does seem to have latched onto this misrepresentation ( and others). 
> > > > 
> > > > John Larkin is much too vain to admit that he has been conned. 
> > > 
> > > Hey Sloman, Hansen wasn't talking about a brief flooding, he was talking PERMANENT. 
> > 
> > That's what the reporter may have thought, but Hansen is rather too good at his job to have said anything that silly, though jdiots like you and John Larkin may chose to believe otherwise. 
> > 
> > Hansen has - much more recently - suggested that the IPCC is being a little too optimistic about sea level rise there is something like ten metres of sea level rise tied up in the Greenland and west Antarctic ice sheets, and when they sllde off into the sea this may happen quite fast, but there's no sigh that it has started happening yet. 
> 
> 
> Hey Sloman, a broken water main can flood a highway - this is not a particularly insightful prediction. So, NO, Hansen was talking flooding by sea-level rise. 

Hurricane Sandy did raise the local sea level quire a bit - enough to submerge bits of the west side highway in Manhattan. That's a lot more water than a burst water main.
It;s called a "storm surge".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Sea_flood_of_1953

is and example. It killed 1836 people in the Netherlands, 307 in England, 28 in Belgium and 19 in Scotland. Sandy only killed 233.

> BTW, you are such an "idiot" that you can't even SPELL THE FUCKING WORD, imbecile!

And Flyguy is a such an idiot that he thinks it worth his while to sound off about typos. He may even be right. He can't post anything of substance, so he's reduced to quibbling about typos.  The fact that he is outing himself as a trivial troll has escaped him.

-- 
Bill Sloman, Sydney

On Wednesday, December 1, 2021 at 8:00:45 PM UTC-8, bill....@ieee.org wrote:
> On Thursday, December 2, 2021 at 2:37:34 PM UTC+11, Flyguy wrote: 
> > On Wednesday, December 1, 2021 at 5:59:37 PM UTC-8, bill....@ieee.org wrote: 
> > > On Thursday, December 2, 2021 at 2:20:19 AM UTC+11, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote: 
> > > > On Wed, 1 Dec 2021 00:31:29 -0800 (PST), whit3rd <whi...@gmail.com> 
> > > > wrote: 
> > > > >On Tuesday, November 30, 2021 at 8:40:54 PM UTC-8, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote: 
> > > > > 
> > > > >> Climate Science tells us that we were all dead 20 years ago. 
> > > > > 
> > > > >No, it doesn't. 
> > > > >Lots of folk, however, WERE dead 20 years ago; maybe you've just mistaken 
> > > > >which group 'we' are in? 
> > > > The great thing about climatology is that you can be all wrong but 
> > > > still have a lucrative career for 20 years or so, sometimes a lot 
> > > > more. 
> > > > 
> > > > Has anyone driven the west side highway in Manhattan lately? In a boat? 
> > 
> > > Not since Hurricane Sandy (when it did get submerged). This does seem to be the sort of thing that Hansen has predicted (in broad terms) back in 1988 and some reporting clown had misunderstood to be a prediction of a persistent state. The climate change denial propaganda machine does seem to have latched onto this misrepresentation ( and others). 
> > > 
> > > John Larkin is much too vain to admit that he has been conned. 
> >
> > Hey Sloman, Hansen wasn't talking about a brief flooding, he was talking PERMANENT. 
> 
> That's what the reporter may have thought, but Hansen is rather too good at his job to have said anything that silly, though jdiots like you and John Larkin may chose to believe otherwise. 
> 
> Hansen has - much more recently - suggested that the IPCC is being a little too optimistic about sea level rise there is something like ten metres of sea level rise tied up in the Greenland and west Antarctic ice sheets, and when they sllde off into the sea this may happen quite fast, but there's no sigh that it has started happening yet. 
> 
> -- 
> SNIPPERMAN, Sydney

Hey SNIPPERMAN, a broken water main can flood a highway - this is not a particularly insightful prediction. So, NO, Hansen was talking flooding by sea-level rise.

BTW, you are such an "idiot" that you can't even SPELL THE FUCKING WORD, imbecile!

On Friday, December 3, 2021 at 3:51:46 PM UTC-8, John Doe wrote:

> Sure. Lots of political careers based on spewing such garbage. Half of 
> California politicians depend on that.

Oh, yeah, that'll fly on a newsgroup that isn't followed by California politicians.
You could have filled in Newfoundland fishers, or Mississippi Baptists, or
Detroit beer-drinkers, with just as little thought.

The 'such garbage' is equally generic, vague, dismissive.

Scorn for others is a sentiment that has many expressions, but no positive
value.

The John Doe troll stated the following in message-id 
<sdhn7c$pkp$4@dont-email.me>:

> The troll doesn't even know how to format a USENET post...

And the John Doe troll stated the following in message-id 
<sg3kr7$qt5$1@dont-email.me>:

> The reason Bozo cannot figure out how to get Google to keep from 
> breaking its lines in inappropriate places is because Bozo is 
> CLUELESS...

And yet, the clueless John Doe troll has itself posted yet another
incorrectly formatted USENET posting on Fri, 3 Dec 2021 23:33:13 -0000
(UTC) in message-id <soe9fp$rv6$1@dont-email.me>.

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The John Doe troll stated the following in message-id 
<sdhn7c$pkp$4@dont-email.me>:

> The troll doesn't even know how to format a USENET post...

And the John Doe troll stated the following in message-id 
<sg3kr7$qt5$1@dont-email.me>:

> The reason Bozo cannot figure out how to get Google to keep from 
> breaking its lines in inappropriate places is because Bozo is 
> CLUELESS...

And yet, the clueless John Doe troll has itself posted yet another
incorrectly formatted USENET posting on Fri, 3 Dec 2021 23:53:13 -0000
(UTC) in message-id <soeal9$rv6$4@dont-email.me>.

This posting is a public service announcement for any google groups
readers who happen by to point out that the John Doe troll does not even
follow it's own rules that it uses to troll other posters.

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On Saturday, December 4, 2021 at 10:48:05 AM UTC+11, John Doe wrote:
> Tom Gardner <spam...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
> > whit3rd wrote: 
> >> Joe Gwinn wrote: 
> 
> >>> The original ad-hominem was directed at the bulk of the ~2500 
> >>> reviewers. This is directed at Koonin. But it's all ad hominem. 
> >>
> >> Some deep pockets are involved if 2500 reviewers write for the record.
> > Of course they won't convince someone whose beliefs are base on emotions 
> > and/or their pay packet.
>
> Or someone who makes money from "global warming" while flying around in a 
> MONSTROUSLY POLLUTING private jet... 

Strictly speaking, CO2 emissions aren't pollution - CO2 is a perfectly normal components of the atmosphere, though the current level is higher than we'd like
 
> Then there are your Globalist Propaganda Masters, like this one spewing 
> the climate change garbage and hiding behind staffers while exiting her 
> private jet, to fool you. Some people are so easily duped. Others are just 
> trolls...

Sadly for creeps like John Doe, climate change is real and progressing inconveniently rapidly. There are politicians who exploit it - like every other issue, but that doesn't alter the facts of the matter. Right wing lunatics do see m to be easily duped by climate change denial - their basic idea is that change is bad, which makes it difficult for them to deal with real change which is actually happening, and sympathetic to all those people who have made a lot of money out of digging up fossil carbon and selling it as fuel, and want to keep on doing for as long as possible despite the unfortunate consequences.

-- 
Bill Sloman, Sydney

The nym-shifting stalker Corvid/Edward/others is upset because it will 
never again troll USENET without its nyms being exposed.

Corvid perpetually proves why it must nym-shift.
Its mission, as always... annoy everybody.

see also...
=?UTF-8?Q?C=c3=b6rvid?= <bl@ckbirds.org>
=?UTF-8?B?8J+QriBDb3dzIGFyZSBOaWNlIPCfkK4=?= <nice@cows.moo>
Banders <snap@mailchute.com>
Covid-19 <always.look@message.header>
Corvid <bl@ckbirds.net>
Corvid <bl@ckbirds.org>
Cows Are Nice <cows@nice.moo>
Cows are nice <moo@cows.org>
Cows are Nice <nice@cows.moo>
dogs <dogs@home.com>
Edward H. <dtgamer99@gmail.com>
Edward Hernandez <dtgamer99@gmail.com>
Great Pumpkin <pumpkin@patch.net>
Jose Curvo <jcurvo@mymail.com>
Local Favorite <how2recycle@palomar.info>
Peter Weiner <dtgamer99@gmail.com>
Sea <freshness@coast.org>
Standard Poodle <standard@poodle.com>
triangles <build@home.com>
and others...

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> The John Doe troll stated the following in message-id 
> <sdhn7c$pkp$4@dont-email.me>:
> 
>> The troll doesn't even know how to format a USENET post...
> 
> And the John Doe troll stated the following in message-id 
> <sg3kr7$qt5$1@dont-email.me>:
> 
>> The reason Bozo cannot figure out how to get Google to keep from 
>> breaking its lines in inappropriate places is because Bozo is 
>> CLUELESS...
> 
> And yet, the clueless John Doe troll has itself posted yet another
> incorrectly formatted USENET posting on Thu, 2 Dec 2021 05:20:49 -0000
> (UTC) in message-id <so9l3g$ve9$4@dont-email.me>.
> 
> gHxlyeyWQOEW
> 
> 
> 

whit3rd <whit3rd@gmail.com> wrote:

> jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
> 
>> The great thing about climatology is that you can be all wrong but 
>> still have a lucrative career for 20 years or so, sometimes a lot 
>> more. 
> 
> Lucrative?   In Earth sciences, other than prospecting, nothing
> of the sort is seen on this planet.   Where are you from?

Sure. Lots of political careers based on spewing such garbage. Half of 
California politicians depend on that.

Tom Gardner <spamjunk@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote: 

> whit3rd wrote: 
>> Joe Gwinn wrote: 

>>> The original ad-hominem was directed at the bulk of the ~2500 
>>> reviewers. This is directed at Koonin. But it's all ad hominem. 
>> 
>> Some deep pockets are involved if 2500 reviewers write for the record. 

> Of course they won't convince someone whose beliefs are base on emotions 
> and/or their pay packet. 

Or someone who makes money from "global warming" while flying around in a 
MONSTROUSLY POLLUTING private jet... 

Then there are your Globalist Propaganda Masters, like this one spewing
the climate change garbage and hiding behind staffers while exiting her
private jet, to fool you. Some people are so easily duped. Others are just
trolls... 

Idiot...

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> On Thursday, December 2, 2021 at 4:37:57 PM UTC-8, Joe Gwinn wrote:
>> On Wed, 1 Dec 2021 18:21:16 -0800 (PST), Anthony William Sloman
>> <bill....@ieee.org> wrote: 
> 
>> >I'm not saying anything about Koonin. I'm talking about the well known and well documented activities of the climate change denial industry, 
>> > 
>> >https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Merchants_of_Doubt
>> The original ad-hominem was directed at the bulk of the ~2500 
>> reviewers. This is directed at Koonin. But it's all ad hominem.
> 
> Oh, no, that's an unacceptable slur; the  '2500 reviewers' claim is clearly snake-oil,
> on a par with the famous 'Hundred Authors Against Einstein'; if the
> book's claims were really sound, it'd convince experts rather than volunteer reviewers.
> Some deep pockets are involved if 2500 reviewers write for the record.
> 
>> >> The book is short and well written, which might help with star ratings. 
>> > 
>> >And it provides a comforting message for anybody who fancies climate change denial, which is where confirmation bias comes in.
>> Even if true, irrelevant. The question is how to assess Koonin's 
>> claims.
> 
> Not at all.   Koonin didn't do any of the research, he just collected it.
> 
>> >> What I like about Koonin is that he provides detailed cites to the 
>> >> same peer-reviewed articles that the IPCC itself cited 
> 
> while not coming to the conclusions that IPCC reached?   Then either a large international
> conclave, or a lonely individual,  has missed something.   I'd distrust the individual first.
> 
>> >Climate change denial - as a reaction to the more detailed and worrying data - didn't get under way until the 1990's.
> 
>> Yeah. In the 1970s, the worry was about Global Cooling, which later 
>> gave way to Global Warming, which gave way to Climate Change. 
> 
> False claim, there.   In the 1970's, cooling was an hypothesis, not trusted nor a prediction, just
> a reasonable place to put some prove-or-disprove resources.   By the early 90s, climate change
> basically stopped having any scientific holes, was a solid prediction.   Warming versus Change are
> just distinction in labels, not differences.
> 
>