Reply by Cydrome Leader●November 28, 20212021-11-28
T <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> On 11/25/21 09:19, Rick C wrote:
>> On Thursday, November 25, 2021 at 10:36:38 AM UTC-4, Liz Tuddenham wrote:
>>> Martin Brown <'''newspam'''@nonad.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 25/11/2021 13:18, Liz Tuddenham wrote:
>>>>> Martin Brown <'''newspam'''@nonad.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 24/11/2021 11:40, Liz Tuddenham wrote:
>>>>>>> Martin Brown <'''newspam'''@nonad.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If you are really allergic to something in the air then the effect is
>>>>>>>> not unlike CS gas or methyl mercaptan (smell of gas). Eyes or lungs on
>>>>>>>> fire streaming with tears almost blinded and possibly vomiting as well.
>>>>>>>> If you are really out of luck throat swelling can cause breathing
>>>>>>>> difficulties and intervention with an epipen may be needed.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> A small number of very dangerous allergic sensitisers produce no effect
>>>>>>>> at all the very first time that you are exposed. The second time around
>>>>>>>> is something of a wake up call.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Think hayfever on steroids and you get the general idea.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> What she & T are describing is much more like a high functioning autism
>>>>>>>> response to complex smells which is entirely different to an allergy.
>>>>>>>> The irrational obsession with perceived "toxins" is also consistent.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thank you for your diagnosis, especially as you have never met either of
>>>>>>> us, but I would prefer the diagnosis of the medical experts I have
>>>>>>> actually consulted on this.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I expect you do but just think about it for a moment.
>>>>>> Are you really as allergic to all these things as you say you are?
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes, they are toxic to me, even if they aren't to anyone else. The
>>>>> reaction is out of proportion to the quantity of toxin - a true allergic
>>>>> reaction. It is also present when I am not aware of the presence of the
>>>>> allergenic substance through my normal senses, so it isn't
>>>>> psychologically based.
>>>>
>>>> So do you carry an epipen around all the time then?
>>> No, because the symptoms do not include swelling of the airways and so
>>> are are not life-threatening (unless I tried to drive or operate
>>> machinery). The neurological symptoms are very real but reversible when
>>> exposure to the toxin is stopped.
>>>>
>>>>> Susceptibility to poisoning is not a manifestation of autism.
>>>>
>>>> Believing that every chemical is toxic to you is. Being swamped by
>>>> complex smells could easily be a manifestation of high functioning
>>>> autism. They are one of the other main categories of super tasters.
>>> Some of these chemicals are odourless to me and I do not believe "every
>>> chemical is toxic". I work with many volatile chemical substances that
>>> cause me no trouble at all even though some of them upset other people.
>>> I also work with a variety of unpleasant smells and have no problem
>>> other than the normal reaction to something that smells revolting.
>>>
>>> I don't know what you are confusing this with, but it is something I do
>>> not suffer from.
>>
>> It is just a manifestation of his highly functioning autism.
>>
>
> Rick,
>
> Your assumption that is is autism is so unbelievable off
> that is takes my breath away. Did you do ANY research before
> your pulled that garbage our your ear?
It really sounds like anything will take your breath away.
How's the house of cinnamon and fish doing these days?
Reply by T●November 26, 20212021-11-26
On 11/26/21 07:47, Liz Tuddenham wrote:
> T <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
>> On 11/25/21 15:09, Liz Tuddenham wrote:
>>> T <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>> [...]
>>>> You never answered me on my question as to if you ever
>>>> figured out how to get fabric finishes out of new cloths
>>>> (or I missed it).
>>>
>>> Sorry, I didn't reply in any depth.
>>>
>>> I haven't found an absolutely reliable way, but hanging the clothes
>>> outside for several days when the weather is alternately sunny and
>>> showery helps in some cases. The evaporting water molecules seem to
>>> take some of the perfume molecules with them. (A bit like being able to
>>> smell the grass following a rain shower after a long dry period).
>>>
>>> If the perfume has got onto the clothes from a wearer and doesn't
>>> disperse quickly, it is probably oil based. As a drastic last resort, I
>>> have washed clothes like that in paraffin (kerosene) and then removed it
>>> with washing-up detergent. The smell of the paraffin only lasts about a
>>> week if they are well aired, then the clothes can be put in with the
>>> normal wash and should emerge smell-free.
>>>
>>> Diesel could be used but it smells worse and takes a lot longer for the
>>> smell to go. Cooking oil or Liquid Paraffin might be less smelly
>>> alternatives, but I haven't tried them and their higher viscosity (and
>>> cost) might cause problems..
>>>
>>> I have hanging rails in my attic, which is ventilated separately from
>>> the house. Clothes can be left there for several months to see if the
>>> smell dimishes, but it sometimes revives when they are worn, because of
>>> body heat and moisture. The only cure for that is to get rid of them.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> We have been soaking them in buckets for weeks. It
>> is really hard to get out.
>
> Try alternately soaking and drying, that seems to be more effective than
> just soaking. Don't dry it inside the house, use an attic, a shed or a
> covered outdoor space.
>
>
I have been thinking of a drying rack to place outdoors.
It is always a chore to avoid the neighbors dryer and
house perfume though, which redeposits
Reply by T●November 26, 20212021-11-26
On 11/25/21 22:02, Rick C wrote:
> Maybe you need to learn about quoting. I didn't write that. The idiot Brown did.
>
> Now get off my back. Don't complain to me about something I didn't write. Learn how to use newsgroups.
Hi Rick,
I do have to apologize.
I had to go backwards in the threads to figure out
that Thunderbird was showing you at the top, making
me think I was responding to you. The tip off was
your civil correspondence with Liz. You name even
got mixed up on the "From:".
Again my apologies,
-T
Reply by Liz Tuddenham●November 26, 20212021-11-26
T <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> On 11/25/21 15:09, Liz Tuddenham wrote:
> > T <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> >
> > [...]
> >> You never answered me on my question as to if you ever
> >> figured out how to get fabric finishes out of new cloths
> >> (or I missed it).
> >
> > Sorry, I didn't reply in any depth.
> >
> > I haven't found an absolutely reliable way, but hanging the clothes
> > outside for several days when the weather is alternately sunny and
> > showery helps in some cases. The evaporting water molecules seem to
> > take some of the perfume molecules with them. (A bit like being able to
> > smell the grass following a rain shower after a long dry period).
> >
> > If the perfume has got onto the clothes from a wearer and doesn't
> > disperse quickly, it is probably oil based. As a drastic last resort, I
> > have washed clothes like that in paraffin (kerosene) and then removed it
> > with washing-up detergent. The smell of the paraffin only lasts about a
> > week if they are well aired, then the clothes can be put in with the
> > normal wash and should emerge smell-free.
> >
> > Diesel could be used but it smells worse and takes a lot longer for the
> > smell to go. Cooking oil or Liquid Paraffin might be less smelly
> > alternatives, but I haven't tried them and their higher viscosity (and
> > cost) might cause problems..
> >
> > I have hanging rails in my attic, which is ventilated separately from
> > the house. Clothes can be left there for several months to see if the
> > smell dimishes, but it sometimes revives when they are worn, because of
> > body heat and moisture. The only cure for that is to get rid of them.
> >
> >
>
> We have been soaking them in buckets for weeks. It
> is really hard to get out.
Try alternately soaking and drying, that seems to be more effective than
just soaking. Don't dry it inside the house, use an attic, a shed or a
covered outdoor space.
--
~ Liz Tuddenham ~
(Remove the ".invalid"s and add ".co.uk" to reply)
www.poppyrecords.co.uk
Reply by Rick C●November 26, 20212021-11-26
On Friday, November 26, 2021 at 12:01:24 AM UTC-4, T wrote:
> On 11/25/21 17:41, Rick C wrote:
> > Believing that every chemical is toxic to you is. Being swamped by
> > complex smells could easily be a manifestation of high functioning
> > autism. They are one of the other main categories of super tasters.
> What did I misunderstand? "Believing"? "Every"?
> "Autism"? Do you realize how insulting that is?
Maybe you need to learn about quoting. I didn't write that. The idiot Brown did.
Now get off my back. Don't complain to me about something I didn't write. Learn how to use newsgroups.
--
Rick C.
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Reply by T●November 26, 20212021-11-26
On 11/25/21 17:41, Rick C wrote:
> Believing that every chemical is toxic to you is. Being swamped by
> complex smells could easily be a manifestation of high functioning
> autism. They are one of the other main categories of super tasters.
What did I misunderstand? "Believing"? "Every"?
"Autism"? Do you realize how insulting that is?
Reply by Rick C●November 25, 20212021-11-25
On Thursday, November 25, 2021 at 8:14:08 PM UTC-4, T wrote:
> On 11/25/21 09:19, Rick C wrote:
> > On Thursday, November 25, 2021 at 10:36:38 AM UTC-4, Liz Tuddenham wrote:
> >> Martin Brown <'''newspam'''@nonad.co.uk> wrote:
> >>
> >>> On 25/11/2021 13:18, Liz Tuddenham wrote:
> >>>> Martin Brown <'''newspam'''@nonad.co.uk> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> On 24/11/2021 11:40, Liz Tuddenham wrote:
> >>>>>> Martin Brown <'''newspam'''@nonad.co.uk> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> If you are really allergic to something in the air then the effect is
> >>>>>>> not unlike CS gas or methyl mercaptan (smell of gas). Eyes or lungs on
> >>>>>>> fire streaming with tears almost blinded and possibly vomiting as well.
> >>>>>>> If you are really out of luck throat swelling can cause breathing
> >>>>>>> difficulties and intervention with an epipen may be needed.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> A small number of very dangerous allergic sensitisers produce no effect
> >>>>>>> at all the very first time that you are exposed. The second time around
> >>>>>>> is something of a wake up call.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Think hayfever on steroids and you get the general idea.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> What she & T are describing is much more like a high functioning autism
> >>>>>>> response to complex smells which is entirely different to an allergy.
> >>>>>>> The irrational obsession with perceived "toxins" is also consistent.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Thank you for your diagnosis, especially as you have never met either of
> >>>>>> us, but I would prefer the diagnosis of the medical experts I have
> >>>>>> actually consulted on this.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I expect you do but just think about it for a moment.
> >>>>> Are you really as allergic to all these things as you say you are?
> >>>>
> >>>> Yes, they are toxic to me, even if they aren't to anyone else. The
> >>>> reaction is out of proportion to the quantity of toxin - a true allergic
> >>>> reaction. It is also present when I am not aware of the presence of the
> >>>> allergenic substance through my normal senses, so it isn't
> >>>> psychologically based.
> >>>
> >>> So do you carry an epipen around all the time then?
> >> No, because the symptoms do not include swelling of the airways and so
> >> are are not life-threatening (unless I tried to drive or operate
> >> machinery). The neurological symptoms are very real but reversible when
> >> exposure to the toxin is stopped.
> >>>
> >>>> Susceptibility to poisoning is not a manifestation of autism.
> >>>
> >>> Believing that every chemical is toxic to you is. Being swamped by
> >>> complex smells could easily be a manifestation of high functioning
> >>> autism. They are one of the other main categories of super tasters.
> >> Some of these chemicals are odourless to me and I do not believe "every
> >> chemical is toxic". I work with many volatile chemical substances that
> >> cause me no trouble at all even though some of them upset other people.
> >> I also work with a variety of unpleasant smells and have no problem
> >> other than the normal reaction to something that smells revolting.
> >>
> >> I don't know what you are confusing this with, but it is something I do
> >> not suffer from.
> >
> > It is just a manifestation of his highly functioning autism.
> >
> Rick,
>
> Your assumption that is is autism is so unbelievable off
> that is takes my breath away. Did you do ANY research before
> your pulled that garbage our your ear?
>
> And by the way, that that think you pulled out your ear tell you that
> not all of these chemicals come with an odor? The tip off that you are
> allergic to them is your throat swelling shut, gasping in terror trying
> to breath, getting dizzy,
> brain fog, etc., etc., etc..
You seem to have not understood a word I wrote. You did the same thing on another post of mine. If you can't read what I wrote, please don't respond.
--
Rick C.
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Reply by T●November 25, 20212021-11-25
On 11/25/21 15:09, Liz Tuddenham wrote:
>> Do you*really* believe that fabreeze kills dogs and makes cats go mad?
> There is a growing body of evidence that a number of unexplained deaths
> of apparently healthy dogs have coincided with their owners' use of
> Fabrese. I myself have witnessed the effect on a cat - which recovered
> when the use of Fabreze was discontinued.
>
> It is not a matter of 'belief', it is a matter for more serious research
> in the face of evidence that this might be more than coincidence.
>
>
> On Thursday, November 25, 2021 at 10:36:38 AM UTC-4, Liz Tuddenham wrote:
>> Martin Brown <'''newspam'''@nonad.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> On 25/11/2021 13:18, Liz Tuddenham wrote:
>>>> Martin Brown <'''newspam'''@nonad.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 24/11/2021 11:40, Liz Tuddenham wrote:
>>>>>> Martin Brown <'''newspam'''@nonad.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If you are really allergic to something in the air then the effect is
>>>>>>> not unlike CS gas or methyl mercaptan (smell of gas). Eyes or lungs on
>>>>>>> fire streaming with tears almost blinded and possibly vomiting as well.
>>>>>>> If you are really out of luck throat swelling can cause breathing
>>>>>>> difficulties and intervention with an epipen may be needed.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> A small number of very dangerous allergic sensitisers produce no effect
>>>>>>> at all the very first time that you are exposed. The second time around
>>>>>>> is something of a wake up call.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Think hayfever on steroids and you get the general idea.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What she & T are describing is much more like a high functioning autism
>>>>>>> response to complex smells which is entirely different to an allergy.
>>>>>>> The irrational obsession with perceived "toxins" is also consistent.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thank you for your diagnosis, especially as you have never met either of
>>>>>> us, but I would prefer the diagnosis of the medical experts I have
>>>>>> actually consulted on this.
>>>>>
>>>>> I expect you do but just think about it for a moment.
>>>>> Are you really as allergic to all these things as you say you are?
>>>>
>>>> Yes, they are toxic to me, even if they aren't to anyone else. The
>>>> reaction is out of proportion to the quantity of toxin - a true allergic
>>>> reaction. It is also present when I am not aware of the presence of the
>>>> allergenic substance through my normal senses, so it isn't
>>>> psychologically based.
>>>
>>> So do you carry an epipen around all the time then?
>> No, because the symptoms do not include swelling of the airways and so
>> are are not life-threatening (unless I tried to drive or operate
>> machinery). The neurological symptoms are very real but reversible when
>> exposure to the toxin is stopped.
>>>
>>>> Susceptibility to poisoning is not a manifestation of autism.
>>>
>>> Believing that every chemical is toxic to you is. Being swamped by
>>> complex smells could easily be a manifestation of high functioning
>>> autism. They are one of the other main categories of super tasters.
>> Some of these chemicals are odourless to me and I do not believe "every
>> chemical is toxic". I work with many volatile chemical substances that
>> cause me no trouble at all even though some of them upset other people.
>> I also work with a variety of unpleasant smells and have no problem
>> other than the normal reaction to something that smells revolting.
>>
>> I don't know what you are confusing this with, but it is something I do
>> not suffer from.
>
> It is just a manifestation of his highly functioning autism.
>
Rick,
Your assumption that is is autism is so unbelievable off
that is takes my breath away. Did you do ANY research before
your pulled that garbage our your ear?
And by the way, that that think you pulled out your ear tell you that
not all of these chemicals come with an odor? The tip off that you are
allergic to them is your throat swelling shut, gasping in terror trying
to breath, getting dizzy,
brain fog, etc., etc., etc..
This is what science say about multiple chemical sensitivity:
Assessment of cerebral blood flow in patients with multiple chemical
sensitivity using near-infrared spectroscopy--recovery after olfactory
stimulation: a case-control study:
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/25682122/
Results: After olfactory stimulation, significant
activations were observed in the PFC of patients with
MCS on both the right and left sides compared with
controls. The activations were specifically strong
in the orbitofrontal cortex (OFC). Compared with
controls, autonomic perception and feelings
identification were poorer in patients with MCS. OFC
is associated with stimuli response and the
representation of preferences.
Conclusions: These results suggest that a past strong
exposure to hazardous chemicals activates the PFC during
olfactory stimuli in patients with MCS, and a strong
activation in the OFC remains after the stimuli.
And here is your mental health bull shit:
Experiences of persons with multiple chemical sensitivity with mental
health providers:
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/27103817/
Abstract
In this paper, we summarize the results of an online
survey of persons in the United States with chemical
intolerance/multiple chemical sensitivity who sought
help from mental health providers, including
counselors, psychologists, psychiatrists, and others.
Respondents reported on their most recent contact with
a provider, describing reasons for the contact,
accommodations requested and received, and suggestions
for how the experience could be more helpful. Overall,
though clients were accommodated in small ways, some
received no accommodation, and many felt that the
providers needed to be more knowledgeable regarding
chemical intolerance. Results are discussed in terms of
the importance of providers becoming more aware of
multiple chemical sensitivity and more willing to make
their services accessible to these clients.
More mental health bull shit:
Chemical sensitivity: pathophysiology or pathopsychology?
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/23642291/
Results: The sensitization state of CS seems to be
initiated by a significant toxic exposure, occurring as
a 1-time event, or on surpassing a threshold of
toxicity after toxicant accrual from repeated lower-
level exposures. Once sensitized through a toxicant-
induced loss of tolerance, individuals exposed to
inciting triggers such as minute amounts of diverse
everyday chemicals may experience various clinical and
immune sequelae, sometimes involving lymphocyte,
antibody, or cytokine responses. Precautionary avoidance
of inciting triggers will prevent symptoms, and
desensitization immunotherapy or immune suppression may
improve symptoms in some cases. Sustained resolution of
the CS state occurs after successful elimination of the
accrued body burden of toxicants through natural
mechanisms of toxicant bioelimination and/or
interventions of clinical detoxification. Despite
extensive clinical evidence to support the veracity of
this clinical state, many members of the medical
community are reluctant to accept this condition as a
pathophysiologic disorder.
I HAVE 17 MORE IF YOU WANT THEM. Or you could ignore
science and go with want comes out your ear and
continue to be callous to the suffering you are causing
your neighbors because you are having FUN playing with chemicals. Karma
is real dude.
-T
Reply by T●November 25, 20212021-11-25
On 11/25/21 15:09, Liz Tuddenham wrote:
> T <T@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
> [...]
>> You never answered me on my question as to if you ever
>> figured out how to get fabric finishes out of new cloths
>> (or I missed it).
>
> Sorry, I didn't reply in any depth.
>
> I haven't found an absolutely reliable way, but hanging the clothes
> outside for several days when the weather is alternately sunny and
> showery helps in some cases. The evaporting water molecules seem to
> take some of the perfume molecules with them. (A bit like being able to
> smell the grass following a rain shower after a long dry period).
>
> If the perfume has got onto the clothes from a wearer and doesn't
> disperse quickly, it is probably oil based. As a drastic last resort, I
> have washed clothes like that in paraffin (kerosene) and then removed it
> with washing-up detergent. The smell of the paraffin only lasts about a
> week if they are well aired, then the clothes can be put in with the
> normal wash and should emerge smell-free.
>
> Diesel could be used but it smells worse and takes a lot longer for the
> smell to go. Cooking oil or Liquid Paraffin might be less smelly
> alternatives, but I haven't tried them and their higher viscosity (and
> cost) might cause problems..
>
> I have hanging rails in my attic, which is ventilated separately from
> the house. Clothes can be left there for several months to see if the
> smell dimishes, but it sometimes revives when they are worn, because of
> body heat and moisture. The only cure for that is to get rid of them.
>
>
We have been soaking them in buckets for weeks. It
is really hard to get out.