Reply by John S January 30, 20192019-01-30
On 1/30/2019 7:54 AM, amdx wrote:
> On 1/30/2019 7:17 AM, John S wrote: >> On 1/29/2019 3:37 PM, amdx wrote: >>> On 1/29/2019 2:24 PM, Phil Hobbs wrote: >>>> On 1/29/19 3:21 PM, Tim Williams wrote: >>>>> "Phil Hobbs" <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote in >>>>> message news:o92dnbihka_mB83BnZ2dnUU7-WGdnZ2d@supernews.com... >>>>>>> These days, the bobbin could possibly be 3D-printed? >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> If you don't mind it melting. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Not so -- I might not be inclined to trust an extruder product, at >>>>> least not without a much fancier material than ABS or PLA (and in >>>>> which case, you may need a special extruder head to handle the much >>>>> higher temp, and possibly the abrasiveness if it's glass fiber >>>>> reinforced). >>>>> >>>>> There are some pretty fantastic materials available in UV-cure >>>>> resin, though!&#4294967295; Just a matter of how much you're willing to pay for >>>>> it, and how much you'll be able to use within its shelf life... >>>>> >>>>> Tim >>>>> >>>> >>>> Yeah, but you need a UV laser system to cure it.&#4294967295; It would probably >>>> be cheaper to machine it from solid yourself than to get it printed. >>>> >>>> Cheers >>>> >>>> Phil Hobbs >>>> >>> >>> &#4294967295;&#4294967295; Go to a motor rewind shop and ask for the paper they use to >>> insulate the wire when they put it in the slot. It' not paper >>> actually and will withstand high temperatures. Then use their high >>> temp tape to put together a bobbin. >>> &#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295; Mikek >> >> Probably Nomex. > > &#4294967295;Yep, I probably still have some in my junk box from the early 80's. > &#4294967295;I used it to insulate between windings on pot core transformers > in the late 90s. > &#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295; Mikek
We used it in high power inductors and transformers in the 80s to 90s. Never had a problem.
Reply by amdx January 30, 20192019-01-30
On 1/30/2019 7:17 AM, John S wrote:
> On 1/29/2019 3:37 PM, amdx wrote: >> On 1/29/2019 2:24 PM, Phil Hobbs wrote: >>> On 1/29/19 3:21 PM, Tim Williams wrote: >>>> "Phil Hobbs" <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote in >>>> message news:o92dnbihka_mB83BnZ2dnUU7-WGdnZ2d@supernews.com... >>>>>> These days, the bobbin could possibly be 3D-printed? >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> If you don't mind it melting. >>>>> >>>> >>>> Not so -- I might not be inclined to trust an extruder product, at >>>> least not without a much fancier material than ABS or PLA (and in >>>> which case, you may need a special extruder head to handle the much >>>> higher temp, and possibly the abrasiveness if it's glass fiber >>>> reinforced). >>>> >>>> There are some pretty fantastic materials available in UV-cure >>>> resin, though!&#4294967295; Just a matter of how much you're willing to pay for >>>> it, and how much you'll be able to use within its shelf life... >>>> >>>> Tim >>>> >>> >>> Yeah, but you need a UV laser system to cure it.&#4294967295; It would probably >>> be cheaper to machine it from solid yourself than to get it printed. >>> >>> Cheers >>> >>> Phil Hobbs >>> >> >> &#4294967295;&#4294967295; Go to a motor rewind shop and ask for the paper they use to >> insulate the wire when they put it in the slot. It' not paper actually >> and will withstand high temperatures. Then use their high temp tape to >> put together a bobbin. >> &#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295; Mikek > > Probably Nomex.
Yep, I probably still have some in my junk box from the early 80's. I used it to insulate between windings on pot core transformers in the late 90s. Mikek
Reply by John S January 30, 20192019-01-30
On 1/29/2019 3:37 PM, amdx wrote:
> On 1/29/2019 2:24 PM, Phil Hobbs wrote: >> On 1/29/19 3:21 PM, Tim Williams wrote: >>> "Phil Hobbs" <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote in >>> message news:o92dnbihka_mB83BnZ2dnUU7-WGdnZ2d@supernews.com... >>>>> These days, the bobbin could possibly be 3D-printed? >>>>> >>>> >>>> If you don't mind it melting. >>>> >>> >>> Not so -- I might not be inclined to trust an extruder product, at >>> least not without a much fancier material than ABS or PLA (and in >>> which case, you may need a special extruder head to handle the much >>> higher temp, and possibly the abrasiveness if it's glass fiber >>> reinforced). >>> >>> There are some pretty fantastic materials available in UV-cure resin, >>> though!&#4294967295; Just a matter of how much you're willing to pay for it, and >>> how much you'll be able to use within its shelf life... >>> >>> Tim >>> >> >> Yeah, but you need a UV laser system to cure it.&#4294967295; It would probably be >> cheaper to machine it from solid yourself than to get it printed. >> >> Cheers >> >> Phil Hobbs >> > > &#4294967295; Go to a motor rewind shop and ask for the paper they use to insulate > the wire when they put it in the slot. It' not paper actually and will > withstand high temperatures. Then use their high temp tape to put > together a bobbin. > &#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295;&#4294967295; Mikek
Probably Nomex.
Reply by speff January 30, 20192019-01-30
On Sunday, 13 January 2019 21:03:23 UTC-5, tub...@myshop.com  wrote:
> I watched a youtube video of a guy winding his own power transformer. He > used a pre-made plastic bobbin, wound the enameled wire as needed, and > put in the steel laminations. > > Apparently he bought that bobbin, and the laminations to fit it. Is > there a place that sells that sells the parts (bobbin and laminations)?
Improvise? https://www.mx6.com/forums/lounge/196292-third-world-arc-welding.html --Spehro Pefhany
Reply by amdx January 29, 20192019-01-29
On 1/29/2019 2:24 PM, Phil Hobbs wrote:
> On 1/29/19 3:21 PM, Tim Williams wrote: >> "Phil Hobbs" <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote in message >> news:o92dnbihka_mB83BnZ2dnUU7-WGdnZ2d@supernews.com... >>>> These days, the bobbin could possibly be 3D-printed? >>>> >>> >>> If you don't mind it melting. >>> >> >> Not so -- I might not be inclined to trust an extruder product, at >> least not without a much fancier material than ABS or PLA (and in >> which case, you may need a special extruder head to handle the much >> higher temp, and possibly the abrasiveness if it's glass fiber >> reinforced). >> >> There are some pretty fantastic materials available in UV-cure resin, >> though!&#4294967295; Just a matter of how much you're willing to pay for it, and >> how much you'll be able to use within its shelf life... >> >> Tim >> > > Yeah, but you need a UV laser system to cure it.&#4294967295; It would probably be > cheaper to machine it from solid yourself than to get it printed. > > Cheers > > Phil Hobbs >
Go to a motor rewind shop and ask for the paper they use to insulate the wire when they put it in the slot. It' not paper actually and will withstand high temperatures. Then use their high temp tape to put together a bobbin. Mikek
Reply by Phil Hobbs January 29, 20192019-01-29
On 1/29/19 3:21 PM, Tim Williams wrote:
> "Phil Hobbs" <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote in message > news:o92dnbihka_mB83BnZ2dnUU7-WGdnZ2d@supernews.com... >>> These days, the bobbin could possibly be 3D-printed? >>> >> >> If you don't mind it melting. >> > > Not so -- I might not be inclined to trust an extruder product, at least > not without a much fancier material than ABS or PLA (and in which case, > you may need a special extruder head to handle the much higher temp, and > possibly the abrasiveness if it's glass fiber reinforced). > > There are some pretty fantastic materials available in UV-cure resin, > though!&#4294967295; Just a matter of how much you're willing to pay for it, and how > much you'll be able to use within its shelf life... > > Tim >
Yeah, but you need a UV laser system to cure it. It would probably be cheaper to machine it from solid yourself than to get it printed. Cheers Phil Hobbs -- Dr Philip C D Hobbs Principal Consultant ElectroOptical Innovations LLC / Hobbs ElectroOptics Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics Briarcliff Manor NY 10510 http://electrooptical.net http://hobbs-eo.com
Reply by Tim Williams January 29, 20192019-01-29
"Phil Hobbs" <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote in message 
news:o92dnbihka_mB83BnZ2dnUU7-WGdnZ2d@supernews.com...
>> These days, the bobbin could possibly be 3D-printed? >> > > If you don't mind it melting. >
Not so -- I might not be inclined to trust an extruder product, at least not without a much fancier material than ABS or PLA (and in which case, you may need a special extruder head to handle the much higher temp, and possibly the abrasiveness if it's glass fiber reinforced). There are some pretty fantastic materials available in UV-cure resin, though! Just a matter of how much you're willing to pay for it, and how much you'll be able to use within its shelf life... Tim -- Seven Transistor Labs, LLC Electrical Engineering Consultation and Design Website: https://www.seventransistorlabs.com/
Reply by Phil Hobbs January 29, 20192019-01-29
On 1/28/19 4:47 PM, Robert Roland wrote:
> On Sun, 13 Jan 2019 20:03:16 -0600, tubeguy@myshop.com wrote: > >> Apparently he bought that bobbin, and the laminations to fit it. Is >> there a place that sells that sells the parts (bobbin and laminations)? > > These days, the bobbin could possibly be 3D-printed? >
If you don't mind it melting. Cheers Phil Hobbs -- Dr Philip C D Hobbs Principal Consultant ElectroOptical Innovations LLC / Hobbs ElectroOptics Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics Briarcliff Manor NY 10510 http://electrooptical.net https://hobbs-eo.com
Reply by Robert Roland January 28, 20192019-01-28
On Sun, 13 Jan 2019 20:03:16 -0600, tubeguy@myshop.com wrote:

>Apparently he bought that bobbin, and the laminations to fit it. Is >there a place that sells that sells the parts (bobbin and laminations)?
These days, the bobbin could possibly be 3D-printed? -- RoRo
Reply by January 21, 20192019-01-21
On Monday, 21 January 2019 07:28:15 UTC, whit3rd  wrote:
> On Friday, January 18, 2019 at 12:32:30 PM UTC-8, George Herold wrote:
> > Magnetostriction in the iron? Hum should be at 100/120 Hz and not 50/60. > > With a resistive load, yes; with a rectifying load, could be either or both.
could also be much higher with nonlinearity. NT