On Thu, 9 Nov 2017 17:31:50 -0800 (PST), Lasse Langwadt Christensen
<langwadt@fonz.dk> wrote:
>Den fredag den 10. november 2017 kl. 02.23.25 UTC+1 skrev John Larkin:
>> On Thu, 09 Nov 2017 17:03:52 -0700, Jim Thompson
>> <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> wrote:
>>
>> >On Thu, 09 Nov 2017 13:18:05 -0800, John Larkin
>> ><jjlarkin@highland_snip_technology.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >>Hey, Jim,
>> >>
>> >>Have you worked with any high voltage analog IC processes? Like, say,
>> >>300 volts swing?
>> >>
>> >>I know that APEX used to have a horrible HV cmos process, maybe fabbed
>> >>by AT&T or IBM or somebody improbable, but they use discretes now
>> >>mostly.
>> >
>> >Couldn't easily discern from the fly sheets, so I sent an inquiry to a
>> >field engineer I know at X-Fab.
>> >
>> >He's quite responsive, even though he's in Germany most of the time.
>> >Should have an answer in a day or two.
>> >
>> >===> What kind of current handling at that voltage?
>> >
>> > ...Jim Thompson
>>
>> Low current, basically need to drive about 100 small capacitors from
>> maybe -100 to +200 volts. I might ping you privately about dropping
>> your name in a proposal. Long-shot.
>
>http://ww1.microchip.com/downloads/en/DeviceDoc/20005826A.pdf ?
>
>
That's cool. We need negative swing, but maybe we can bias up the
other sides of the caps. The price is unreasonable for production, but
it would be fine for the demos.
Thanks. I'll see if we can use it.
--
John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc
lunatic fringe electronics
Reply by Jim Thompson●November 9, 20172017-11-09
On Thu, 09 Nov 2017 17:23:14 -0800, John Larkin
<jjlarkin@highland_snip_technology.com> wrote:
>On Thu, 09 Nov 2017 17:03:52 -0700, Jim Thompson
><To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 09 Nov 2017 13:18:05 -0800, John Larkin
>><jjlarkin@highland_snip_technology.com> wrote:
>>
>>>Hey, Jim,
>>>
>>>Have you worked with any high voltage analog IC processes? Like, say,
>>>300 volts swing?
>>>
>>>I know that APEX used to have a horrible HV cmos process, maybe fabbed
>>>by AT&T or IBM or somebody improbable, but they use discretes now
>>>mostly.
>>
>>Couldn't easily discern from the fly sheets, so I sent an inquiry to a
>>field engineer I know at X-Fab.
>>
>>He's quite responsive, even though he's in Germany most of the time.
>>Should have an answer in a day or two.
>>
>>===> What kind of current handling at that voltage?
>>
>> ...Jim Thompson
>
>Low current, basically need to drive about 100 small capacitors from
>maybe -100 to +200 volts. I might ping you privately about dropping
>your name in a proposal. Long-shot.
OK. I deal with lots of "long-shots" ;-)
...Jim Thompson
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Reply by kevin93●November 9, 20172017-11-09
On Thursday, November 9, 2017 at 5:31:54 PM UTC-8, Lasse Langwadt Christensen wrote:
...
> > Low current, basically need to drive about 100 small capacitors from
> > maybe -100 to +200 volts. I might ping you privately about dropping
> > your name in a proposal. Long-shot.
>
> http://ww1.microchip.com/downloads/en/DeviceDoc/20005826A.pdf ?
That's a derivative of the HV252 I architected about 16 years ago with Supertex doing the design and fabrication. Part of the deal was that they had the rights to use the design themselves.
The original application was for driving the electrostatic MEMS mirror actuators in an optical switch (http://www.calient.net/products/s-series-photonic-switch/).
The 12 Meg Sichrome feedback resistors took up about 50% of the die area.
kevin
Reply by Lasse Langwadt Christensen●November 9, 20172017-11-09
Den fredag den 10. november 2017 kl. 02.23.25 UTC+1 skrev John Larkin:
> On Thu, 09 Nov 2017 17:03:52 -0700, Jim Thompson
> <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> wrote:
>
> >On Thu, 09 Nov 2017 13:18:05 -0800, John Larkin
> ><jjlarkin@highland_snip_technology.com> wrote:
> >
> >>Hey, Jim,
> >>
> >>Have you worked with any high voltage analog IC processes? Like, say,
> >>300 volts swing?
> >>
> >>I know that APEX used to have a horrible HV cmos process, maybe fabbed
> >>by AT&T or IBM or somebody improbable, but they use discretes now
> >>mostly.
> >
> >Couldn't easily discern from the fly sheets, so I sent an inquiry to a
> >field engineer I know at X-Fab.
> >
> >He's quite responsive, even though he's in Germany most of the time.
> >Should have an answer in a day or two.
> >
> >===> What kind of current handling at that voltage?
> >
> > ...Jim Thompson
>
> Low current, basically need to drive about 100 small capacitors from
> maybe -100 to +200 volts. I might ping you privately about dropping
> your name in a proposal. Long-shot.
On Thu, 9 Nov 2017 16:58:42 -0800 (PST), George Herold
<gherold@teachspin.com> wrote:
>On Thursday, November 9, 2017 at 4:18:17 PM UTC-5, John Larkin wrote:
>> Hey, Jim,
>>
>> Have you worked with any high voltage analog IC processes? Like, say,
>> 300 volts swing?
>>
>> I know that APEX used to have a horrible HV cmos process, maybe fabbed
>> by AT&T or IBM or somebody improbable, but they use discretes now
>> mostly.
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc
>> picosecond timing precision measurement
>>
>> jlarkin att highlandtechnology dott com
>> http://www.highlandtechnology.com
>
>LT makes this ~140V opamp LTC6090? could you put three of them in
>series?
>(We've got a tray or two of apex HV opamps if you want them.
>(too noisy for us.) )
>
>George H
On Thu, 09 Nov 2017 17:03:52 -0700, Jim Thompson
<To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon@On-My-Web-Site.com> wrote:
>On Thu, 09 Nov 2017 13:18:05 -0800, John Larkin
><jjlarkin@highland_snip_technology.com> wrote:
>
>>Hey, Jim,
>>
>>Have you worked with any high voltage analog IC processes? Like, say,
>>300 volts swing?
>>
>>I know that APEX used to have a horrible HV cmos process, maybe fabbed
>>by AT&T or IBM or somebody improbable, but they use discretes now
>>mostly.
>
>Couldn't easily discern from the fly sheets, so I sent an inquiry to a
>field engineer I know at X-Fab.
>
>He's quite responsive, even though he's in Germany most of the time.
>Should have an answer in a day or two.
>
>===> What kind of current handling at that voltage?
>
> ...Jim Thompson
Low current, basically need to drive about 100 small capacitors from
maybe -100 to +200 volts. I might ping you privately about dropping
your name in a proposal. Long-shot.
--
John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc
picosecond timing precision measurement
jlarkin att highlandtechnology dott com
http://www.highlandtechnology.com
Reply by George Herold●November 9, 20172017-11-09
On Thursday, November 9, 2017 at 4:18:17 PM UTC-5, John Larkin wrote:
> Hey, Jim,
>
> Have you worked with any high voltage analog IC processes? Like, say,
> 300 volts swing?
>
> I know that APEX used to have a horrible HV cmos process, maybe fabbed
> by AT&T or IBM or somebody improbable, but they use discretes now
> mostly.
>
>
> --
>
> John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc
> picosecond timing precision measurement
>
> jlarkin att highlandtechnology dott com
> http://www.highlandtechnology.com
LT makes this ~140V opamp LTC6090? could you put three of them in
series?
(We've got a tray or two of apex HV opamps if you want them.
(too noisy for us.) )
George H
Reply by Jim Thompson●November 9, 20172017-11-09
On Thu, 09 Nov 2017 13:18:05 -0800, John Larkin
<jjlarkin@highland_snip_technology.com> wrote:
>Hey, Jim,
>
>Have you worked with any high voltage analog IC processes? Like, say,
>300 volts swing?
>
>I know that APEX used to have a horrible HV cmos process, maybe fabbed
>by AT&T or IBM or somebody improbable, but they use discretes now
>mostly.
I guess my buddy was in Texas... instant response:
"We have three processes that currently can meet that voltage:
XDM10 (1 �m 350 V, SOI), XDH10 (1 �m 650 V, SOI) and XU035 (0.35 �m,
700 V, bulk). Additionally we have a fourth process with an extension
in development that will be able to reach that voltage, XT018 (0.18
�m, 375 V, SOI)."
John, what are your current-handling requirements?
...Jim Thompson
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Reply by Jim Thompson●November 9, 20172017-11-09
On Thu, 09 Nov 2017 13:18:05 -0800, John Larkin
<jjlarkin@highland_snip_technology.com> wrote:
>Hey, Jim,
>
>Have you worked with any high voltage analog IC processes? Like, say,
>300 volts swing?
>
>I know that APEX used to have a horrible HV cmos process, maybe fabbed
>by AT&T or IBM or somebody improbable, but they use discretes now
>mostly.
Couldn't easily discern from the fly sheets, so I sent an inquiry to a
field engineer I know at X-Fab.
He's quite responsive, even though he's in Germany most of the time.
Should have an answer in a day or two.
===> What kind of current handling at that voltage?
...Jim Thompson
--
| James E.Thompson | mens |
| Analog Innovations | et |
| Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus |
| STV, Queen Creek, AZ 85142 Skype: skypeanalog | |
| Voice:(480)460-2350 Fax: Available upon request | Brass Rat |
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Reply by Jim Thompson●November 9, 20172017-11-09
On Thu, 09 Nov 2017 15:26:52 -0800, Joerg <news@analogconsultants.com>
wrote:
>On 2017-11-09 15:20, Jim Thompson wrote:
>> On Thu, 09 Nov 2017 13:18:05 -0800, John Larkin
>> <jjlarkin@highland_snip_technology.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hey, Jim,
>>>
>>> Have you worked with any high voltage analog IC processes? Like, say,
>>> 300 volts swing?
>>>
>>> I know that APEX used to have a horrible HV cmos process, maybe fabbed
>>> by AT&T or IBM or somebody improbable, but they use discretes now
>>> mostly.
>>
>> I've worked with some X-Fab processes that have high voltage devices.
>> 100V is the highest I've worked with.
>>
>> I'll thumb thru the process catalog and get back to you.
>>
>> (As for APEX... I've recently done a lot of Spice modeling for them...
>> you're right, everything is now discrete chips... except for some
>> CFB-mode OpAmp I/C's)
>>
>
>Does Supertex still offer their process to external? They used to, I had
>a long discussion with them about a nice several hundred volt process.
>However, that was almost a decade ago and meantime they were acquired by
>Microchip.
>
>Clare lists up to 1000V for their processes:
>
>http://www.clare.com/Products/FabServices.htm
I don't know about Supertex... it's been quite awhile since I last
talked to them. IIRC too many $$$$.
I did a chip design for Clare _many_ years ago... I'll check out their
offerings.
HV certainly will certainly force you into a fancier package.
...Jim Thompson
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| Voice:(480)460-2350 Fax: Available upon request | Brass Rat |
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It's what you learn, after you know it all, that counts.