Reply by DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno August 20, 20152015-08-20
On Thu, 20 Aug 2015 22:11:17 +0000 (UTC), Cydrome Leader
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>DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@decadentlinuxuser.org> wrote: >> On Wed, 19 Aug 2015 05:20:02 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> >> Gave us: >> >>>On Tue, 18 Aug 2015 15:43:01 -0400, DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno >>><DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> wrote: >>> >>>>On Tue, 18 Aug 2015 18:49:30 +0000 (UTC), Cydrome Leader >>>><presence@MUNGEpanix.com> Gave us: >>>>>Did you try goo gone? It's amazing stuff, even better than pure >>>>>d-Limonene. >>> >>>> I thought you guys said you were in electronics industry. >>>> Tidy pen, boys. >>>>http://www.qsource.com/p-23752-microcare-mcc-pen1-tidypen-10-ml.aspx >>> >>>That's d-Limonene according to the MSDS sheet: >>><http://www.qsource.com/Images/downloads/microcare/USA%20-%20BULK_P01%20-%20SDS10033.pdf> >> >> Yes, but the spring loaded tip is just like those in a flux pen and >> allows one to "scrub" the 'spot' at issue. >> And you do not need a cloth to pour it onto like with goo off. >> >> The pen only releases what you allow it to with its spring loaded >> applicator tip. >> >> So, in that respect alone, it is worth the premium price. > >I don't question the stuff in a pen would be great for cleaning small >things on a board, but the guy with tape adhesive problems was working on >a car tail light. >
It works on a variety of surfaces. Another good one is a brominated "solvent". They are safe on many plastics. "Ensolv" is a good brand. Not cheap.
Reply by Cydrome Leader August 20, 20152015-08-20
DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno <DLU1@decadentlinuxuser.org> wrote:
> On Wed, 19 Aug 2015 05:20:02 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> > Gave us: > >>On Tue, 18 Aug 2015 15:43:01 -0400, DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno >><DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> wrote: >> >>>On Tue, 18 Aug 2015 18:49:30 +0000 (UTC), Cydrome Leader >>><presence@MUNGEpanix.com> Gave us: >>>>Did you try goo gone? It's amazing stuff, even better than pure >>>>d-Limonene. >> >>> I thought you guys said you were in electronics industry. >>> Tidy pen, boys. >>>http://www.qsource.com/p-23752-microcare-mcc-pen1-tidypen-10-ml.aspx >> >>That's d-Limonene according to the MSDS sheet: >><http://www.qsource.com/Images/downloads/microcare/USA%20-%20BULK_P01%20-%20SDS10033.pdf> > > Yes, but the spring loaded tip is just like those in a flux pen and > allows one to "scrub" the 'spot' at issue. > And you do not need a cloth to pour it onto like with goo off. > > The pen only releases what you allow it to with its spring loaded > applicator tip. > > So, in that respect alone, it is worth the premium price.
I don't question the stuff in a pen would be great for cleaning small things on a board, but the guy with tape adhesive problems was working on a car tail light.
Reply by DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno August 19, 20152015-08-19
On Wed, 19 Aug 2015 07:54:28 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>
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> I can only imagine the stench of wearing a >can of d-Limonene.
The cap fits tightly and the only exposure is the tip within the cap, so next to no odour to speak of. Your self stench would certainly be more prevalent.
Reply by DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno August 19, 20152015-08-19
On Wed, 19 Aug 2015 07:54:28 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>
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> I retired it to the workbench.
That is where this belongs. Right next to the flux pen and solder roll(s)(depends on if you do RoHS)(otherwise, just 'roll').
Reply by Jeff Liebermann August 19, 20152015-08-19
On Wed, 19 Aug 2015 09:59:45 -0400, DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno
<DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> wrote:

>On Wed, 19 Aug 2015 05:20:02 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> >Gave us: > >>On Tue, 18 Aug 2015 15:43:01 -0400, DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno >><DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> wrote: >> >>>On Tue, 18 Aug 2015 18:49:30 +0000 (UTC), Cydrome Leader >>><presence@MUNGEpanix.com> Gave us: >>>>Did you try goo gone? It's amazing stuff, even better than pure >>>>d-Limonene. >> >>> I thought you guys said you were in electronics industry. >>> Tidy pen, boys. >>>http://www.qsource.com/p-23752-microcare-mcc-pen1-tidypen-10-ml.aspx >> >>That's d-Limonene according to the MSDS sheet: >><http://www.qsource.com/Images/downloads/microcare/USA%20-%20BULK_P01%20-%20SDS10033.pdf>
> Yes, but the spring loaded tip is just like those in a flux pen and >allows one to "scrub" the 'spot' at issue. > And you do not need a cloth to pour it onto like with goo off. > > The pen only releases what you allow it to with its spring loaded >applicator tip. > > So, in that respect alone, it is worth the premium price.
No thanks. I can see the benefit, but my pocket protector is already fully occupied with the necessities of geekdom. <http://802.11junk.com/jeffl/pics/drivel/slides/pocket_protector.html> For a very short time, I carried a similar pocket oil dispenser, which tended to leak with altitude change and bouncing around. After a few lubricated shirts, I retired it to the workbench. The smell of the oil was also a problem. I can only imagine the stench of wearing a can of d-Limonene. Wearing garlic, in the traditional manner, around my neck would be equally effective. -- Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com 150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558
Reply by DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno August 19, 20152015-08-19
On Wed, 19 Aug 2015 05:20:02 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>
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>On Tue, 18 Aug 2015 15:43:01 -0400, DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno ><DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> wrote: > >>On Tue, 18 Aug 2015 18:49:30 +0000 (UTC), Cydrome Leader >><presence@MUNGEpanix.com> Gave us: >>>Did you try goo gone? It's amazing stuff, even better than pure >>>d-Limonene. > >> I thought you guys said you were in electronics industry. >> Tidy pen, boys. >>http://www.qsource.com/p-23752-microcare-mcc-pen1-tidypen-10-ml.aspx > >That's d-Limonene according to the MSDS sheet: ><http://www.qsource.com/Images/downloads/microcare/USA%20-%20BULK_P01%20-%20SDS10033.pdf>
Yes, but the spring loaded tip is just like those in a flux pen and allows one to "scrub" the 'spot' at issue. And you do not need a cloth to pour it onto like with goo off. The pen only releases what you allow it to with its spring loaded applicator tip. So, in that respect alone, it is worth the premium price.
Reply by Jeff Liebermann August 19, 20152015-08-19
On Tue, 18 Aug 2015 15:43:01 -0400, DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno
<DLU1@DecadentLinuxUser.org> wrote:

>On Tue, 18 Aug 2015 18:49:30 +0000 (UTC), Cydrome Leader ><presence@MUNGEpanix.com> Gave us: >>Did you try goo gone? It's amazing stuff, even better than pure >>d-Limonene.
> I thought you guys said you were in electronics industry. > Tidy pen, boys. >http://www.qsource.com/p-23752-microcare-mcc-pen1-tidypen-10-ml.aspx
That's d-Limonene according to the MSDS sheet: <http://www.qsource.com/Images/downloads/microcare/USA%20-%20BULK_P01%20-%20SDS10033.pdf> -- Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com 150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558
Reply by Jeff Liebermann August 19, 20152015-08-19
On Tue, 18 Aug 2015 18:49:30 +0000 (UTC), Cydrome Leader
<presence@MUNGEpanix.com> wrote:

>Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> wrote: >> On Sun, 16 Aug 2015 16:39:49 -0700, Don Y <this@is.not.me.com> wrote: >> >>>I think the mantra re: masking tape is that it should only be used >>>as a TEMPORARY measure. Let it dry out (or get BAKED on) and you'll >>>never get the last bits off without mechanical intervention! >> >> The blue masking tape doesn't harden, but costs 3 times as much. >> >> I managed to find a new way to destroy something with tape. Someone >> bashed in the red tail light on my car in the parking lot. I didn't >> have time to deal with it, so I taped up the crack and hole with clear >> cellophane packing tape. (It was raining). I then forgot about it >> for about 6 months. The tape came off easily enough, but the glue >> remained attached to the red tail light lens. I attacked the glue >> with every solvent that I could find that didn't also attack the >> acrylic plastic. I eventually determined that the solvent in the >> packing tape glue had softened the plastic which then displaced the >> glue. I'll eventually patch it back together and buff it smooth, but >> the solvent action of the adhesive was rather a surprise. I can only >> imagine what packing tape will do to a plastic film coated LCD screen.
>Did you try goo gone? It's amazing stuff, even better than pure >d-Limonene.
Yes. I have a collection of various "removes everything" solvents. I think I tried 2 or 3 types. Nothing would touch it because it wasn't the glue that was the problem. The glue had softened the acrylic plastic which then displaced the glue. I was trying to remove acrylic plastic that looked like it was hardened glue. I've never seen that before and hope to never see it again. If I get inspired, I'll take a photo as I'm still driving around with the broken tail light, now covered with translucent red auto light repair tape (that hopefully won't do the same thing). -- Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com 150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558
Reply by DecadentLinuxUserNumeroUno August 18, 20152015-08-18
On Tue, 18 Aug 2015 18:49:30 +0000 (UTC), Cydrome Leader
<presence@MUNGEpanix.com> Gave us:

>Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> wrote: >> On Sun, 16 Aug 2015 16:39:49 -0700, Don Y <this@is.not.me.com> wrote: >> >>>I think the mantra re: masking tape is that it should only be used >>>as a TEMPORARY measure. Let it dry out (or get BAKED on) and you'll >>>never get the last bits off without mechanical intervention! >> >> The blue masking tape doesn't harden, but costs 3 times as much. >> >> I managed to find a new way to destroy something with tape. Someone >> bashed in the red tail light on my car in the parking lot. I didn't >> have time to deal with it, so I taped up the crack and hole with clear >> cellophane packing tape. (It was raining). I then forgot about it >> for about 6 months. The tape came off easily enough, but the glue >> remained attached to the red tail light lens. I attacked the glue >> with every solvent that I could find that didn't also attack the >> acrylic plastic. I eventually determined that the solvent in the >> packing tape glue had softened the plastic which then displaced the >> glue. I'll eventually patch it back together and buff it smooth, but >> the solvent action of the adhesive was rather a surprise. I can only >> imagine what packing tape will do to a plastic film coated LCD screen. > >Did you try goo gone? It's amazing stuff, even better than pure >d-Limonene.
I thought you guys said you were in electronics industry. Tidy pen, boys. http://www.qsource.com/p-23752-microcare-mcc-pen1-tidypen-10-ml.aspx
Reply by John S August 18, 20152015-08-18
On 8/18/2015 1:45 PM, Cydrome Leader wrote:
> Don Y <this@is.not.me.com> wrote: >> Hi, >> >> I've always advocated "100 proof"[1] alcohol and a microfiber rag to >> clean LCD monitors. Is there a commercial product (that doesn't >> have silly additives, dyes, etc.) that I can recommend to a friend >> for the same purpose (albeit much more expensive)? >> >> Thx, >> --don >> >> [1] Of course, you *make* this from distilled water and isopropyl >> alcohol -- save the "good stuff" for drinking! :> > > Not sure what's wrong with windex sprayed on an old tshirt. works for me.
That's exactly what I use if I encounter stubborn spots. Never spray directly on the monitor, just wet your soft cloth with it as you say.