On Fri, 08 May 2015 21:30:32 +1000, "David Eather" <eather@tpg.com.au>
wrote:
>On Fri, 08 May 2015 06:49:57 +1000, Lasse Langwadt Christensen
><langwadt@fonz.dk> wrote:
>
>> Den torsdag den 7. maj 2015 kl. 22.43.38 UTC+2 skrev David Eather:
>>> On Thu, 07 May 2015 10:43:05 +1000, Lasse Langwadt Christensen
>>> <langwadt@fonz.dk> wrote:
>>>
>>> > Den torsdag den 7. maj 2015 kl. 01.58.54 UTC+2 skrev David Eather:
>>> >> On Wed, 06 May 2015 12:11:05 +1000, John Larkin
>>> >> <jlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> > On Wed, 06 May 2015 07:40:38 +1000, "David Eather"
>>> <eather@tpg.com.au>
>>> >> > wrote:
>>> >> >
>>> >> >> On Wed, 06 May 2015 02:17:38 +1000, John Larkin
>>> >> >> <jlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> wrote:
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >>> On Tue, 05 May 2015 08:05:52 -0700, RobertMacy
>>> >> >>> <robert.a.macy@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>>> On Tue, 05 May 2015 05:17:57 -0700, Phil Hobbs
>>> <pcdhobbs@gmail.com>
>>> >> >>>> wrote:
>>> >> >>>>
>>> >> >>>>> How about putting it on Dropbox or someplace like that?
>>> >> >>>>>
>>> >> >>>>> ABSE would work for many of us as well.
>>> >> >>>>>
>>> >> >>>>> Cheers
>>> >> >>>>>
>>> >> >>>>> Phil Hobbs
>>> >> >>>>
>>> >> >>>> Does nobody read?! I constantly complain about the 'toxicity' of
>>> >> those
>>> >> >>>> websites, Dropbox, etc. Dropbox and all those 'free' websites
>>> sell
>>> >> >>>> something to somebody ...else, Their customers are NOT the
>>> users.
>>> >> >>>> Those
>>> >> >>>> websites start 'poking' around inside our PC's, causing hangs,
>>> and
>>> >> >>>> worst
>>> >> >>>> of all, total crashes that require Power OFF reboots! And the
>>> >> times I
>>> >> >>>> sit
>>> >> >>>> and wait and wait and they didn't crash us, they didn't even
>>> give
>>> >> me
>>> >> >>>> access to what somebody dropped there. So, NO I now NEVER you
>>> those
>>> >> >>>> 'free'
>>> >> >>>> websites.
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>> I'm not aware of any problems with Dropbox, except that it seems
>>> to
>>> >> >>> slow down my computers a bit, which is reasonable since it's
>>> doing a
>>> >> >>> lot of file transfers and checks and stuff. I no longer need to
>>> >> carry
>>> >> >>> memory sticks around, and have access to my stuff on my 4 working
>>> >> >>> computers scattered around the state. I think their biz model is
>>> to
>>> >> >>> give away a couple of gigabtyes of storage, get people hooked,
>>> and
>>> >> get
>>> >> >>> a few percent of their users (like me) to pay for more.
>>> >> >>>
>>> >> >>> Dropbox is wonderful. The future is access to your stuff
>>> anywhere,
>>> >> >>> anytime, on any device.
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> Yes, persistent Internet threats (black hat hackers)love dropbox.
>>> It
>>> >> >> puts
>>> >> >> a big security hole in your system.
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> > The worst they might do is read some files. A serious black hat
>>> isn't
>>> >> > going to be interested in my schematics and manuals and Spice files
>>> >> > and pictures of ski lifts.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Dropbox doesn't seem to have had any security issues in the last
>>> >> > couple of years. Windows has had, what, hundreds?
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >>
>>> >> The worst they might do is take your designs and ideas and use them
>>> in
>>> >> China (PIT is a a euphemism for China state sponsored hackers). They
>>> may
>>> >> also backdoor your system so they always have access regardless of if
>>> >> you
>>> >> keep dropbox or not - and then you might find some defense
>>> contractors
>>> >> refusing to work with you because they have been waived off by the
>>> >> FBI/NSA. Last they might just destroy your harddisk data and
>>> structure
>>> >> as
>>> >> a standard response to a virus scanner.
>>> >>
>>> >> Dropbox unnecessarily increases the 'attack surface' and relies
>>> mostly
>>> >> on
>>> >> other people (who have more interesting things to do / check / hack)
>>> for
>>> >> its security. Simply to work dropbox must allow someone else remote
>>> >> access
>>> >> to your harddrive.
>>> >
>>> > no more than any webbrowser, computer asks dropbox for files
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > -Lasse
>>>
>>>
>>> Ah, not up on the term 'attack surface'. Drop box adds an additional
>>> unnecessary source of security vulnerabilities for a hacker to exploit -
>>> hence a computer running drop box is a bigger target because the number
>>> of
>>> vulnerabilities has increased - hence 'attack surface'. Yes, perhaps it
>>> is
>>> in some ways similar to a web browser, but web browsers attract more
>>> attention from security experts and you normally don't have them
>>> auto-loading and running 24/7.
>>
>> not 24/7 only 99.9% of the time most PC are on ..
>>
>> and dropbox has the advantage that they don't have to protect against
>> attacks
>> from code run to display webpages from anyone of billions of webservers
>>
>> -Lasse
>
>I hope you're just yanking my chain.
>
>You have to run a browser to use the Internet.
Huh? Aren't email and the Usenet part of the Internet? I certainly
don't use a browser (at least no one calls it that) to access either.
>You don't have to use drop box to share files.
Reply by David Eather●May 8, 20152015-05-08
On Fri, 08 May 2015 06:49:57 +1000, Lasse Langwadt Christensen
<langwadt@fonz.dk> wrote:
> Den torsdag den 7. maj 2015 kl. 22.43.38 UTC+2 skrev David Eather:
>> On Thu, 07 May 2015 10:43:05 +1000, Lasse Langwadt Christensen
>> <langwadt@fonz.dk> wrote:
>>
>> > Den torsdag den 7. maj 2015 kl. 01.58.54 UTC+2 skrev David Eather:
>> >> On Wed, 06 May 2015 12:11:05 +1000, John Larkin
>> >> <jlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > On Wed, 06 May 2015 07:40:38 +1000, "David Eather"
>> <eather@tpg.com.au>
>> >> > wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> On Wed, 06 May 2015 02:17:38 +1000, John Larkin
>> >> >> <jlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >>> On Tue, 05 May 2015 08:05:52 -0700, RobertMacy
>> >> >>> <robert.a.macy@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>> On Tue, 05 May 2015 05:17:57 -0700, Phil Hobbs
>> <pcdhobbs@gmail.com>
>> >> >>>> wrote:
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>> How about putting it on Dropbox or someplace like that?
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>> ABSE would work for many of us as well.
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>> Cheers
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>> Phil Hobbs
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> Does nobody read?! I constantly complain about the 'toxicity' of
>> >> those
>> >> >>>> websites, Dropbox, etc. Dropbox and all those 'free' websites
>> sell
>> >> >>>> something to somebody ...else, Their customers are NOT the
>> users.
>> >> >>>> Those
>> >> >>>> websites start 'poking' around inside our PC's, causing hangs,
>> and
>> >> >>>> worst
>> >> >>>> of all, total crashes that require Power OFF reboots! And the
>> >> times I
>> >> >>>> sit
>> >> >>>> and wait and wait and they didn't crash us, they didn't even
>> give
>> >> me
>> >> >>>> access to what somebody dropped there. So, NO I now NEVER you
>> those
>> >> >>>> 'free'
>> >> >>>> websites.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> I'm not aware of any problems with Dropbox, except that it seems
>> to
>> >> >>> slow down my computers a bit, which is reasonable since it's
>> doing a
>> >> >>> lot of file transfers and checks and stuff. I no longer need to
>> >> carry
>> >> >>> memory sticks around, and have access to my stuff on my 4 working
>> >> >>> computers scattered around the state. I think their biz model is
>> to
>> >> >>> give away a couple of gigabtyes of storage, get people hooked,
>> and
>> >> get
>> >> >>> a few percent of their users (like me) to pay for more.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Dropbox is wonderful. The future is access to your stuff
>> anywhere,
>> >> >>> anytime, on any device.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Yes, persistent Internet threats (black hat hackers)love dropbox.
>> It
>> >> >> puts
>> >> >> a big security hole in your system.
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > The worst they might do is read some files. A serious black hat
>> isn't
>> >> > going to be interested in my schematics and manuals and Spice files
>> >> > and pictures of ski lifts.
>> >> >
>> >> > Dropbox doesn't seem to have had any security issues in the last
>> >> > couple of years. Windows has had, what, hundreds?
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >> The worst they might do is take your designs and ideas and use them
>> in
>> >> China (PIT is a a euphemism for China state sponsored hackers). They
>> may
>> >> also backdoor your system so they always have access regardless of if
>> >> you
>> >> keep dropbox or not - and then you might find some defense
>> contractors
>> >> refusing to work with you because they have been waived off by the
>> >> FBI/NSA. Last they might just destroy your harddisk data and
>> structure
>> >> as
>> >> a standard response to a virus scanner.
>> >>
>> >> Dropbox unnecessarily increases the 'attack surface' and relies
>> mostly
>> >> on
>> >> other people (who have more interesting things to do / check / hack)
>> for
>> >> its security. Simply to work dropbox must allow someone else remote
>> >> access
>> >> to your harddrive.
>> >
>> > no more than any webbrowser, computer asks dropbox for files
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > -Lasse
>>
>>
>> Ah, not up on the term 'attack surface'. Drop box adds an additional
>> unnecessary source of security vulnerabilities for a hacker to exploit -
>> hence a computer running drop box is a bigger target because the number
>> of
>> vulnerabilities has increased - hence 'attack surface'. Yes, perhaps it
>> is
>> in some ways similar to a web browser, but web browsers attract more
>> attention from security experts and you normally don't have them
>> auto-loading and running 24/7.
>
> not 24/7 only 99.9% of the time most PC are on ..
>
> and dropbox has the advantage that they don't have to protect against
> attacks
> from code run to display webpages from anyone of billions of webservers
>
> -Lasse
I hope you're just yanking my chain.
You have to run a browser to use the Internet. You don't have to use drop
box to share files.
Reply by Lasse Langwadt Christensen●May 7, 20152015-05-07
Den torsdag den 7. maj 2015 kl. 22.43.38 UTC+2 skrev David Eather:
> On Thu, 07 May 2015 10:43:05 +1000, Lasse Langwadt Christensen
> <langwadt@fonz.dk> wrote:
>
> > Den torsdag den 7. maj 2015 kl. 01.58.54 UTC+2 skrev David Eather:
> >> On Wed, 06 May 2015 12:11:05 +1000, John Larkin
> >> <jlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> > On Wed, 06 May 2015 07:40:38 +1000, "David Eather" <eather@tpg.com.au>
> >> > wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> On Wed, 06 May 2015 02:17:38 +1000, John Larkin
> >> >> <jlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>> On Tue, 05 May 2015 08:05:52 -0700, RobertMacy
> >> >>> <robert.a.macy@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>>> On Tue, 05 May 2015 05:17:57 -0700, Phil Hobbs <pcdhobbs@gmail.com>
> >> >>>> wrote:
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>> How about putting it on Dropbox or someplace like that?
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> ABSE would work for many of us as well.
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> Cheers
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> Phil Hobbs
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Does nobody read?! I constantly complain about the 'toxicity' of
> >> those
> >> >>>> websites, Dropbox, etc. Dropbox and all those 'free' websites sell
> >> >>>> something to somebody ...else, Their customers are NOT the users.
> >> >>>> Those
> >> >>>> websites start 'poking' around inside our PC's, causing hangs, and
> >> >>>> worst
> >> >>>> of all, total crashes that require Power OFF reboots! And the
> >> times I
> >> >>>> sit
> >> >>>> and wait and wait and they didn't crash us, they didn't even give
> >> me
> >> >>>> access to what somebody dropped there. So, NO I now NEVER you those
> >> >>>> 'free'
> >> >>>> websites.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> I'm not aware of any problems with Dropbox, except that it seems to
> >> >>> slow down my computers a bit, which is reasonable since it's doing a
> >> >>> lot of file transfers and checks and stuff. I no longer need to
> >> carry
> >> >>> memory sticks around, and have access to my stuff on my 4 working
> >> >>> computers scattered around the state. I think their biz model is to
> >> >>> give away a couple of gigabtyes of storage, get people hooked, and
> >> get
> >> >>> a few percent of their users (like me) to pay for more.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Dropbox is wonderful. The future is access to your stuff anywhere,
> >> >>> anytime, on any device.
> >> >>
> >> >> Yes, persistent Internet threats (black hat hackers)love dropbox. It
> >> >> puts
> >> >> a big security hole in your system.
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > The worst they might do is read some files. A serious black hat isn't
> >> > going to be interested in my schematics and manuals and Spice files
> >> > and pictures of ski lifts.
> >> >
> >> > Dropbox doesn't seem to have had any security issues in the last
> >> > couple of years. Windows has had, what, hundreds?
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >> The worst they might do is take your designs and ideas and use them in
> >> China (PIT is a a euphemism for China state sponsored hackers). They may
> >> also backdoor your system so they always have access regardless of if
> >> you
> >> keep dropbox or not - and then you might find some defense contractors
> >> refusing to work with you because they have been waived off by the
> >> FBI/NSA. Last they might just destroy your harddisk data and structure
> >> as
> >> a standard response to a virus scanner.
> >>
> >> Dropbox unnecessarily increases the 'attack surface' and relies mostly
> >> on
> >> other people (who have more interesting things to do / check / hack) for
> >> its security. Simply to work dropbox must allow someone else remote
> >> access
> >> to your harddrive.
> >
> > no more than any webbrowser, computer asks dropbox for files
> >
> >
> >
> > -Lasse
>
>
> Ah, not up on the term 'attack surface'. Drop box adds an additional
> unnecessary source of security vulnerabilities for a hacker to exploit -
> hence a computer running drop box is a bigger target because the number of
> vulnerabilities has increased - hence 'attack surface'. Yes, perhaps it is
> in some ways similar to a web browser, but web browsers attract more
> attention from security experts and you normally don't have them
> auto-loading and running 24/7.
not 24/7 only 99.9% of the time most PC are on ..
and dropbox has the advantage that they don't have to protect against attacks
from code run to display webpages from anyone of billions of webservers
-Lasse
Reply by David Eather●May 7, 20152015-05-07
On Thu, 07 May 2015 10:43:05 +1000, Lasse Langwadt Christensen
<langwadt@fonz.dk> wrote:
> Den torsdag den 7. maj 2015 kl. 01.58.54 UTC+2 skrev David Eather:
>> On Wed, 06 May 2015 12:11:05 +1000, John Larkin
>> <jlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> wrote:
>>
>> > On Wed, 06 May 2015 07:40:38 +1000, "David Eather" <eather@tpg.com.au>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >> On Wed, 06 May 2015 02:17:38 +1000, John Larkin
>> >> <jlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> On Tue, 05 May 2015 08:05:52 -0700, RobertMacy
>> >>> <robert.a.macy@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>> On Tue, 05 May 2015 05:17:57 -0700, Phil Hobbs <pcdhobbs@gmail.com>
>> >>>> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> How about putting it on Dropbox or someplace like that?
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> ABSE would work for many of us as well.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Cheers
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Phil Hobbs
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Does nobody read?! I constantly complain about the 'toxicity' of
>> those
>> >>>> websites, Dropbox, etc. Dropbox and all those 'free' websites sell
>> >>>> something to somebody ...else, Their customers are NOT the users.
>> >>>> Those
>> >>>> websites start 'poking' around inside our PC's, causing hangs, and
>> >>>> worst
>> >>>> of all, total crashes that require Power OFF reboots! And the
>> times I
>> >>>> sit
>> >>>> and wait and wait and they didn't crash us, they didn't even give
>> me
>> >>>> access to what somebody dropped there. So, NO I now NEVER you those
>> >>>> 'free'
>> >>>> websites.
>> >>>
>> >>> I'm not aware of any problems with Dropbox, except that it seems to
>> >>> slow down my computers a bit, which is reasonable since it's doing a
>> >>> lot of file transfers and checks and stuff. I no longer need to
>> carry
>> >>> memory sticks around, and have access to my stuff on my 4 working
>> >>> computers scattered around the state. I think their biz model is to
>> >>> give away a couple of gigabtyes of storage, get people hooked, and
>> get
>> >>> a few percent of their users (like me) to pay for more.
>> >>>
>> >>> Dropbox is wonderful. The future is access to your stuff anywhere,
>> >>> anytime, on any device.
>> >>
>> >> Yes, persistent Internet threats (black hat hackers)love dropbox. It
>> >> puts
>> >> a big security hole in your system.
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> > The worst they might do is read some files. A serious black hat isn't
>> > going to be interested in my schematics and manuals and Spice files
>> > and pictures of ski lifts.
>> >
>> > Dropbox doesn't seem to have had any security issues in the last
>> > couple of years. Windows has had, what, hundreds?
>> >
>> >
>>
>> The worst they might do is take your designs and ideas and use them in
>> China (PIT is a a euphemism for China state sponsored hackers). They may
>> also backdoor your system so they always have access regardless of if
>> you
>> keep dropbox or not - and then you might find some defense contractors
>> refusing to work with you because they have been waived off by the
>> FBI/NSA. Last they might just destroy your harddisk data and structure
>> as
>> a standard response to a virus scanner.
>>
>> Dropbox unnecessarily increases the 'attack surface' and relies mostly
>> on
>> other people (who have more interesting things to do / check / hack) for
>> its security. Simply to work dropbox must allow someone else remote
>> access
>> to your harddrive.
>
> no more than any webbrowser, computer asks dropbox for files
>
>
>
> -Lasse
Ah, not up on the term 'attack surface'. Drop box adds an additional
unnecessary source of security vulnerabilities for a hacker to exploit -
hence a computer running drop box is a bigger target because the number of
vulnerabilities has increased - hence 'attack surface'. Yes, perhaps it is
in some ways similar to a web browser, but web browsers attract more
attention from security experts and you normally don't have them
auto-loading and running 24/7.
Reply by Lasse Langwadt Christensen●May 6, 20152015-05-06
Den torsdag den 7. maj 2015 kl. 01.58.54 UTC+2 skrev David Eather:
> On Wed, 06 May 2015 12:11:05 +1000, John Larkin
> <jlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> wrote:
>
> > On Wed, 06 May 2015 07:40:38 +1000, "David Eather" <eather@tpg.com.au>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> On Wed, 06 May 2015 02:17:38 +1000, John Larkin
> >> <jlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> On Tue, 05 May 2015 08:05:52 -0700, RobertMacy
> >>> <robert.a.macy@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> On Tue, 05 May 2015 05:17:57 -0700, Phil Hobbs <pcdhobbs@gmail.com>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> How about putting it on Dropbox or someplace like that?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> ABSE would work for many of us as well.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Cheers
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Phil Hobbs
> >>>>
> >>>> Does nobody read?! I constantly complain about the 'toxicity' of those
> >>>> websites, Dropbox, etc. Dropbox and all those 'free' websites sell
> >>>> something to somebody ...else, Their customers are NOT the users.
> >>>> Those
> >>>> websites start 'poking' around inside our PC's, causing hangs, and
> >>>> worst
> >>>> of all, total crashes that require Power OFF reboots! And the times I
> >>>> sit
> >>>> and wait and wait and they didn't crash us, they didn't even give me
> >>>> access to what somebody dropped there. So, NO I now NEVER you those
> >>>> 'free'
> >>>> websites.
> >>>
> >>> I'm not aware of any problems with Dropbox, except that it seems to
> >>> slow down my computers a bit, which is reasonable since it's doing a
> >>> lot of file transfers and checks and stuff. I no longer need to carry
> >>> memory sticks around, and have access to my stuff on my 4 working
> >>> computers scattered around the state. I think their biz model is to
> >>> give away a couple of gigabtyes of storage, get people hooked, and get
> >>> a few percent of their users (like me) to pay for more.
> >>>
> >>> Dropbox is wonderful. The future is access to your stuff anywhere,
> >>> anytime, on any device.
> >>
> >> Yes, persistent Internet threats (black hat hackers)love dropbox. It
> >> puts
> >> a big security hole in your system.
> >>
> >
> >
> > The worst they might do is read some files. A serious black hat isn't
> > going to be interested in my schematics and manuals and Spice files
> > and pictures of ski lifts.
> >
> > Dropbox doesn't seem to have had any security issues in the last
> > couple of years. Windows has had, what, hundreds?
> >
> >
>
> The worst they might do is take your designs and ideas and use them in
> China (PIT is a a euphemism for China state sponsored hackers). They may
> also backdoor your system so they always have access regardless of if you
> keep dropbox or not - and then you might find some defense contractors
> refusing to work with you because they have been waived off by the
> FBI/NSA. Last they might just destroy your harddisk data and structure as
> a standard response to a virus scanner.
>
> Dropbox unnecessarily increases the 'attack surface' and relies mostly on
> other people (who have more interesting things to do / check / hack) for
> its security. Simply to work dropbox must allow someone else remote access
> to your harddrive.
no more than any webbrowser, computer asks dropbox for files
-Lasse
Reply by David Eather●May 6, 20152015-05-06
On Wed, 06 May 2015 12:11:05 +1000, John Larkin
<jlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 06 May 2015 07:40:38 +1000, "David Eather" <eather@tpg.com.au>
> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 06 May 2015 02:17:38 +1000, John Larkin
>> <jlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Tue, 05 May 2015 08:05:52 -0700, RobertMacy
>>> <robert.a.macy@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Tue, 05 May 2015 05:17:57 -0700, Phil Hobbs <pcdhobbs@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> How about putting it on Dropbox or someplace like that?
>>>>>
>>>>> ABSE would work for many of us as well.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers
>>>>>
>>>>> Phil Hobbs
>>>>
>>>> Does nobody read?! I constantly complain about the 'toxicity' of those
>>>> websites, Dropbox, etc. Dropbox and all those 'free' websites sell
>>>> something to somebody ...else, Their customers are NOT the users.
>>>> Those
>>>> websites start 'poking' around inside our PC's, causing hangs, and
>>>> worst
>>>> of all, total crashes that require Power OFF reboots! And the times I
>>>> sit
>>>> and wait and wait and they didn't crash us, they didn't even give me
>>>> access to what somebody dropped there. So, NO I now NEVER you those
>>>> 'free'
>>>> websites.
>>>
>>> I'm not aware of any problems with Dropbox, except that it seems to
>>> slow down my computers a bit, which is reasonable since it's doing a
>>> lot of file transfers and checks and stuff. I no longer need to carry
>>> memory sticks around, and have access to my stuff on my 4 working
>>> computers scattered around the state. I think their biz model is to
>>> give away a couple of gigabtyes of storage, get people hooked, and get
>>> a few percent of their users (like me) to pay for more.
>>>
>>> Dropbox is wonderful. The future is access to your stuff anywhere,
>>> anytime, on any device.
>>
>> Yes, persistent Internet threats (black hat hackers)love dropbox. It
>> puts
>> a big security hole in your system.
>>
>
>
> The worst they might do is read some files. A serious black hat isn't
> going to be interested in my schematics and manuals and Spice files
> and pictures of ski lifts.
>
> Dropbox doesn't seem to have had any security issues in the last
> couple of years. Windows has had, what, hundreds?
>
>
The worst they might do is take your designs and ideas and use them in
China (PIT is a a euphemism for China state sponsored hackers). They may
also backdoor your system so they always have access regardless of if you
keep dropbox or not - and then you might find some defense contractors
refusing to work with you because they have been waived off by the
FBI/NSA. Last they might just destroy your harddisk data and structure as
a standard response to a virus scanner.
Dropbox unnecessarily increases the 'attack surface' and relies mostly on
other people (who have more interesting things to do / check / hack) for
its security. Simply to work dropbox must allow someone else remote access
to your harddrive.
Windows is also a problem, but it is patched monthly (now even more
regularly) and a lot of people are looking at its security. Windows can
run (should run - you should change the settings to make sure) without
giving remote access to you files and it plays properly with anti virus
and anti exploit software.
Reply by Clifford Heath●May 6, 20152015-05-06
On 06/05/15 15:45, Phil Hobbs wrote:
> So I now have complete git histories dating back way before git was even
> written. ;)
I have some of those too, imported from SVN using git-svn.
Reply by RobertMacy●May 6, 20152015-05-06
On Tue, 05 May 2015 22:29:38 -0700, Clifford Heath <no.spam@please.net>
wrote:
>> ...snip...
> Robert: If you want to use Dropbox but don't want their drivers and
> software running on your computer, you can still use the web-only
> service.
>
> Clifford Heath.
Thanks for the suggestion, Clifford, but the 'last' time I tried to use
Dropbox, ir took over an hour. I never did get registered, so was never
offered any 'choice' of type of posting. However during that time, Dropbox
kept me from doing nything else, with a hanging PC, small few seconds to
try to use the PC for something else, hang the PC, a few small seconds to
try to use the PC for something else, hang the PC, etc and most of the
time show something, then blank screen until next screen. Uet, could hear
the PC doing a LOT of activity ...so killed the connection. When I purged
that system to clean it out, purging images, took a VERY long time and
found that my cookies had doubled with a myriad of those 'tracking'
cookies, etc. Absolutely unrelated to Dropbox. So I learned to stay away
from Dropbox.
Reply by Phil Hobbs●May 6, 20152015-05-06
On 5/5/2015 10:11 PM, John Larkin wrote:
> On Wed, 06 May 2015 07:40:38 +1000, "David Eather" <eather@tpg.com.au>
> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 06 May 2015 02:17:38 +1000, John Larkin
>> <jlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Tue, 05 May 2015 08:05:52 -0700, RobertMacy
>>> <robert.a.macy@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Tue, 05 May 2015 05:17:57 -0700, Phil Hobbs <pcdhobbs@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> How about putting it on Dropbox or someplace like that?
>>>>>
>>>>> ABSE would work for many of us as well.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers
>>>>>
>>>>> Phil Hobbs
>>>>
>>>> Does nobody read?! I constantly complain about the 'toxicity' of those
>>>> websites, Dropbox, etc. Dropbox and all those 'free' websites sell
>>>> something to somebody ...else, Their customers are NOT the users. Those
>>>> websites start 'poking' around inside our PC's, causing hangs, and worst
>>>> of all, total crashes that require Power OFF reboots! And the times I
>>>> sit
>>>> and wait and wait and they didn't crash us, they didn't even give me
>>>> access to what somebody dropped there. So, NO I now NEVER you those
>>>> 'free'
>>>> websites.
>>>
>>> I'm not aware of any problems with Dropbox, except that it seems to
>>> slow down my computers a bit, which is reasonable since it's doing a
>>> lot of file transfers and checks and stuff. I no longer need to carry
>>> memory sticks around, and have access to my stuff on my 4 working
>>> computers scattered around the state. I think their biz model is to
>>> give away a couple of gigabtyes of storage, get people hooked, and get
>>> a few percent of their users (like me) to pay for more.
>>>
>>> Dropbox is wonderful. The future is access to your stuff anywhere,
>>> anytime, on any device.
>>
>> Yes, persistent Internet threats (black hat hackers)love dropbox. It puts
>> a big security hole in your system.
>>
>
>
> The worst they might do is read some files. A serious black hat isn't
> going to be interested in my schematics and manuals and Spice files
> and pictures of ski lifts.
>
>
I wouldn't be too sure about that. Seems that it runs code on your
machine without you knowing about it, under the control of a remote
server. And, of course, as the saying goes, "if it's free, you're not
the customer, you're the product."
Cheers
Phil Hobbs
--
Dr Philip C D Hobbs
Principal Consultant
ElectroOptical Innovations LLC
Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics
160 North State Road #203
Briarcliff Manor NY 10510
hobbs at electrooptical dot net
http://electrooptical.net
Reply by Phil Hobbs●May 6, 20152015-05-06
On 5/6/2015 1:29 AM, Clifford Heath wrote:
> On 06/05/15 06:20, John Larkin wrote:
>> All my app has to do is write a file, and it's automagically
>> replicated on all my PCs.
>>
>> One cool thing is that if Dropbox dropped off the face of the planet,
>> all my files would still be there, on all my PCs.
>
> And if any one of those computers appears to its local Dropbox install
> to have deleted one of those files, poooff, it's gone from all of them.
>
> I use a Git repository, and push and pull updates manually. Each
> repository contains the entire history.
+1. I do the same thing. Git also protects you against file
corruption--if corruption happens to a file before committing, you can
go back to the last uncorrupted version using the cherry-pick function.
If it happens to the repository, it'll flunk the integrity check, and
won't overwrite the good copies. It runs nicely over ssh with a
forwarded port, so my servers don't expose any well-known ports to the
public net.
My old method was to periodically make zipfile images of each project.
When I migrated to git, I wrote a script that, starting with the oldest
image, unzipped them into a clean directory and committed all the files.
So I now have complete git histories dating back way before git was even
written. ;)
Cheers
Phil Hobbs
--
Dr Philip C D Hobbs
Principal Consultant
ElectroOptical Innovations LLC
Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics
160 North State Road #203
Briarcliff Manor NY 10510
hobbs at electrooptical dot net
http://electrooptical.net