Reply by April 24, 20142014-04-24
> We've done USB boxes with both the FTDI chips and using the USB > hardware inside an NXP uP. We use their VIDs. Seems to work fine.
But you can't certify the box without your own VID. Perhaps you can pay FTDI to do it for you, but you can't do it using their VID.
Reply by April 24, 20142014-04-24
> > I wonder if you go with the PID from microchip ( if they still offer > > it) that you can get a cert from usb.org with it. Same for FTDI.
I am pretty sure you cannot. You need unique UID for cert.
> I'm pretty sure Microchip will still give you a PID, upon request,
Yes, for development.
> but I don't know how that works with the USB.org folks.
No.
Reply by WangoTango April 24, 20142014-04-24
In article <dd83l99jqq9dj7ddujbi4mmndfeepenhr4@4ax.com>, 
martin_rid@verizon.net says...
> On Fri, 18 Apr 2014 10:35:26 -0400, WangoTango > <Asgard24@mindspring.com> wrote: > > >In article <grl0l9hln3cqsr88vdaaqensjcpk5mkn8u@4ax.com>, > >martin_rid@verizon.net says... > >> On Thu, 17 Apr 2014 13:56:01 -0700, John Larkin > >> <jlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> wrote: > >> > >> >On Thu, 17 Apr 2014 13:12:08 -0500, Tim Wescott > >> ><tim@seemywebsite.really> wrote: > >> > > >> >>On Thu, 17 Apr 2014 09:26:12 -0700, John Larkin wrote: > >> >> > >> >>> On Thu, 17 Apr 2014 00:03:04 -0500, Tim Wescott > >> >>> <tim@seemywebsite.really> wrote: > >> >>> > >> >>>>I have a customer who wants a USB-powered battery charger designed, with > >> >>>>certification -n- all. I figure the certification part will be harder > >> >>>>than the charger part, so I have to give it a pass. > >> >>>> > >> >>>>Anyone do that and have spare cycles, or know someone? He wants someone > >> >>>>with a track record, or I'd talk him into using me! > >> >>> > >> >>> What certs? UL/CSA/CE? FCC? > >> >>> > >> >>> A test lab will do those, for a moderate pile of money. > >> >>> > >> >>> Is there a USB certification standard? > >> >> > >> >>You have to pass their compatibility tests if you want to use their logos > >> >>& such. I'm not sure whether you can even use "USB", but I suspect by > >> >>now that you can if you use the right wording. > >> > > >> >You can use something like the FTDI chips and (maybe) inherit the > >> >certs. > >> > >> I think its $3K just for the PID and VID alone. > > > >They have upped it to $5K. > >We finally got into doing enough USB devices that I decided to pop out > >the $2K they were asking for a VID (you make up the PID yourself), and > >wouldn't you know it, they had increased the price to $5K just in time > >for me to give them some money. That's my lot. > >Naturally, they want you to sign on for the $4K a year subscription that > >gets you logo use and so on. > > I wonder if you go with the PID from microchip ( if they still offer > it) that you can get a cert from usb.org with it. Same for FTDI. > > Cheers >
I don't know. I'm pretty sure Microchip will still give you a PID, upon request, but I don't know how that works with the USB.org folks.
Reply by John Larkin April 18, 20142014-04-18
On Thu, 17 Apr 2014 18:37:09 -0400, Martin Riddle
<martin_rid@verizon.net> wrote:

>On Thu, 17 Apr 2014 13:56:01 -0700, John Larkin ><jlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> wrote: > >>On Thu, 17 Apr 2014 13:12:08 -0500, Tim Wescott >><tim@seemywebsite.really> wrote: >> >>>On Thu, 17 Apr 2014 09:26:12 -0700, John Larkin wrote: >>> >>>> On Thu, 17 Apr 2014 00:03:04 -0500, Tim Wescott >>>> <tim@seemywebsite.really> wrote: >>>> >>>>>I have a customer who wants a USB-powered battery charger designed, with >>>>>certification -n- all. I figure the certification part will be harder >>>>>than the charger part, so I have to give it a pass. >>>>> >>>>>Anyone do that and have spare cycles, or know someone? He wants someone >>>>>with a track record, or I'd talk him into using me! >>>> >>>> What certs? UL/CSA/CE? FCC? >>>> >>>> A test lab will do those, for a moderate pile of money. >>>> >>>> Is there a USB certification standard? >>> >>>You have to pass their compatibility tests if you want to use their logos >>>& such. I'm not sure whether you can even use "USB", but I suspect by >>>now that you can if you use the right wording. >> >>You can use something like the FTDI chips and (maybe) inherit the >>certs. > >I think its $3K just for the PID and VID alone. > >Cheers
We've done USB boxes with both the FTDI chips and using the USB hardware inside an NXP uP. We use their VIDs. Seems to work fine. -- John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc jlarkin att highlandtechnology dott com http://www.highlandtechnology.com
Reply by Martin Riddle April 18, 20142014-04-18
On Fri, 18 Apr 2014 10:35:26 -0400, WangoTango
<Asgard24@mindspring.com> wrote:

>In article <grl0l9hln3cqsr88vdaaqensjcpk5mkn8u@4ax.com>, >martin_rid@verizon.net says... >> On Thu, 17 Apr 2014 13:56:01 -0700, John Larkin >> <jlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> wrote: >> >> >On Thu, 17 Apr 2014 13:12:08 -0500, Tim Wescott >> ><tim@seemywebsite.really> wrote: >> > >> >>On Thu, 17 Apr 2014 09:26:12 -0700, John Larkin wrote: >> >> >> >>> On Thu, 17 Apr 2014 00:03:04 -0500, Tim Wescott >> >>> <tim@seemywebsite.really> wrote: >> >>> >> >>>>I have a customer who wants a USB-powered battery charger designed, with >> >>>>certification -n- all. I figure the certification part will be harder >> >>>>than the charger part, so I have to give it a pass. >> >>>> >> >>>>Anyone do that and have spare cycles, or know someone? He wants someone >> >>>>with a track record, or I'd talk him into using me! >> >>> >> >>> What certs? UL/CSA/CE? FCC? >> >>> >> >>> A test lab will do those, for a moderate pile of money. >> >>> >> >>> Is there a USB certification standard? >> >> >> >>You have to pass their compatibility tests if you want to use their logos >> >>& such. I'm not sure whether you can even use "USB", but I suspect by >> >>now that you can if you use the right wording. >> > >> >You can use something like the FTDI chips and (maybe) inherit the >> >certs. >> >> I think its $3K just for the PID and VID alone. > >They have upped it to $5K. >We finally got into doing enough USB devices that I decided to pop out >the $2K they were asking for a VID (you make up the PID yourself), and >wouldn't you know it, they had increased the price to $5K just in time >for me to give them some money. That's my lot. >Naturally, they want you to sign on for the $4K a year subscription that >gets you logo use and so on.
I wonder if you go with the PID from microchip ( if they still offer it) that you can get a cert from usb.org with it. Same for FTDI. Cheers
Reply by jeroen Belleman April 18, 20142014-04-18
On 18/04/14 16:35, WangoTango wrote:
> In article <grl0l9hln3cqsr88vdaaqensjcpk5mkn8u@4ax.com>, > martin_rid@verizon.net says... >> On Thu, 17 Apr 2014 13:56:01 -0700, John Larkin >> <jlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> wrote: >> >>> On Thu, 17 Apr 2014 13:12:08 -0500, Tim Wescott >>> <tim@seemywebsite.really> wrote: >>> >>>> On Thu, 17 Apr 2014 09:26:12 -0700, John Larkin wrote: >>>> >>>>> On Thu, 17 Apr 2014 00:03:04 -0500, Tim Wescott >>>>> <tim@seemywebsite.really> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I have a customer who wants a USB-powered battery charger designed, with >>>>>> certification -n- all. I figure the certification part will be harder >>>>>> than the charger part, so I have to give it a pass. >>>>>> >>>>>> Anyone do that and have spare cycles, or know someone? He wants someone >>>>>> with a track record, or I'd talk him into using me! >>>>> >>>>> What certs? UL/CSA/CE? FCC? >>>>> >>>>> A test lab will do those, for a moderate pile of money. >>>>> >>>>> Is there a USB certification standard? >>>> >>>> You have to pass their compatibility tests if you want to use their logos >>>> & such. I'm not sure whether you can even use "USB", but I suspect by >>>> now that you can if you use the right wording. >>> >>> You can use something like the FTDI chips and (maybe) inherit the >>> certs. >> >> I think its $3K just for the PID and VID alone. > > They have upped it to $5K. > We finally got into doing enough USB devices that I decided to pop out > the $2K they were asking for a VID (you make up the PID yourself), and > wouldn't you know it, they had increased the price to $5K just in time > for me to give them some money. That's my lot. > Naturally, they want you to sign on for the $4K a year subscription that > gets you logo use and so on. >
And that nicely sums up the real motivation for removing the ever useful parallel and serial ports on our computers. Jeroen Belleman
Reply by WangoTango April 18, 20142014-04-18
In article <grl0l9hln3cqsr88vdaaqensjcpk5mkn8u@4ax.com>, 
martin_rid@verizon.net says...
> On Thu, 17 Apr 2014 13:56:01 -0700, John Larkin > <jlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> wrote: > > >On Thu, 17 Apr 2014 13:12:08 -0500, Tim Wescott > ><tim@seemywebsite.really> wrote: > > > >>On Thu, 17 Apr 2014 09:26:12 -0700, John Larkin wrote: > >> > >>> On Thu, 17 Apr 2014 00:03:04 -0500, Tim Wescott > >>> <tim@seemywebsite.really> wrote: > >>> > >>>>I have a customer who wants a USB-powered battery charger designed, with > >>>>certification -n- all. I figure the certification part will be harder > >>>>than the charger part, so I have to give it a pass. > >>>> > >>>>Anyone do that and have spare cycles, or know someone? He wants someone > >>>>with a track record, or I'd talk him into using me! > >>> > >>> What certs? UL/CSA/CE? FCC? > >>> > >>> A test lab will do those, for a moderate pile of money. > >>> > >>> Is there a USB certification standard? > >> > >>You have to pass their compatibility tests if you want to use their logos > >>& such. I'm not sure whether you can even use "USB", but I suspect by > >>now that you can if you use the right wording. > > > >You can use something like the FTDI chips and (maybe) inherit the > >certs. > > I think its $3K just for the PID and VID alone.
They have upped it to $5K. We finally got into doing enough USB devices that I decided to pop out the $2K they were asking for a VID (you make up the PID yourself), and wouldn't you know it, they had increased the price to $5K just in time for me to give them some money. That's my lot. Naturally, they want you to sign on for the $4K a year subscription that gets you logo use and so on.
Reply by April 17, 20142014-04-17
On Thu, 17 Apr 2014 18:37:09 -0400, Martin Riddle
<martin_rid@verizon.net> wrote:

>On Thu, 17 Apr 2014 13:56:01 -0700, John Larkin ><jlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> wrote: > >>On Thu, 17 Apr 2014 13:12:08 -0500, Tim Wescott >><tim@seemywebsite.really> wrote: >> >>>On Thu, 17 Apr 2014 09:26:12 -0700, John Larkin wrote: >>> >>>> On Thu, 17 Apr 2014 00:03:04 -0500, Tim Wescott >>>> <tim@seemywebsite.really> wrote: >>>> >>>>>I have a customer who wants a USB-powered battery charger designed, with >>>>>certification -n- all. I figure the certification part will be harder >>>>>than the charger part, so I have to give it a pass. >>>>> >>>>>Anyone do that and have spare cycles, or know someone? He wants someone >>>>>with a track record, or I'd talk him into using me! >>>> >>>> What certs? UL/CSA/CE? FCC? >>>> >>>> A test lab will do those, for a moderate pile of money. >>>> >>>> Is there a USB certification standard? >>> >>>You have to pass their compatibility tests if you want to use their logos >>>& such. I'm not sure whether you can even use "USB", but I suspect by >>>now that you can if you use the right wording. >> >>You can use something like the FTDI chips and (maybe) inherit the >>certs. > >I think its $3K just for the PID and VID alone. > >Cheers
I think the minimum is to get the drivers signed if for windoze. Otherwise it' can be al PITA to install the drivers, especially in windows 8 Actually, it's mainly the .inf file that tells the system what to install and any additional driver.sys (etc) files that may go along in addition to the drivers that already come with windows. This supposedly costs a few hundred dollars and is good for a year or two (or 3 ?). We are looking into this aspect now. boB
Reply by Martin Riddle April 17, 20142014-04-17
On Thu, 17 Apr 2014 13:56:01 -0700, John Larkin
<jlarkin@highlandtechnology.com> wrote:

>On Thu, 17 Apr 2014 13:12:08 -0500, Tim Wescott ><tim@seemywebsite.really> wrote: > >>On Thu, 17 Apr 2014 09:26:12 -0700, John Larkin wrote: >> >>> On Thu, 17 Apr 2014 00:03:04 -0500, Tim Wescott >>> <tim@seemywebsite.really> wrote: >>> >>>>I have a customer who wants a USB-powered battery charger designed, with >>>>certification -n- all. I figure the certification part will be harder >>>>than the charger part, so I have to give it a pass. >>>> >>>>Anyone do that and have spare cycles, or know someone? He wants someone >>>>with a track record, or I'd talk him into using me! >>> >>> What certs? UL/CSA/CE? FCC? >>> >>> A test lab will do those, for a moderate pile of money. >>> >>> Is there a USB certification standard? >> >>You have to pass their compatibility tests if you want to use their logos >>& such. I'm not sure whether you can even use "USB", but I suspect by >>now that you can if you use the right wording. > >You can use something like the FTDI chips and (maybe) inherit the >certs.
I think its $3K just for the PID and VID alone. Cheers
Reply by John Larkin April 17, 20142014-04-17
On Thu, 17 Apr 2014 13:12:08 -0500, Tim Wescott
<tim@seemywebsite.really> wrote:

>On Thu, 17 Apr 2014 09:26:12 -0700, John Larkin wrote: > >> On Thu, 17 Apr 2014 00:03:04 -0500, Tim Wescott >> <tim@seemywebsite.really> wrote: >> >>>I have a customer who wants a USB-powered battery charger designed, with >>>certification -n- all. I figure the certification part will be harder >>>than the charger part, so I have to give it a pass. >>> >>>Anyone do that and have spare cycles, or know someone? He wants someone >>>with a track record, or I'd talk him into using me! >> >> What certs? UL/CSA/CE? FCC? >> >> A test lab will do those, for a moderate pile of money. >> >> Is there a USB certification standard? > >You have to pass their compatibility tests if you want to use their logos >& such. I'm not sure whether you can even use "USB", but I suspect by >now that you can if you use the right wording.
You can use something like the FTDI chips and (maybe) inherit the certs. -- John Larkin Highland Technology, Inc jlarkin att highlandtechnology dott com http://www.highlandtechnology.com