On 21 Feb 2017 14:18:08 -0800, Winfield Hill
<hill@rowland.harvard.edu> wrote:

>mjbiggs@gmail.com wrote...
>>
>>On Tuesday, December 15, 2015 at 11:24:45 AM UTC-6, tecf...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> I have a full commercial perpetual Altium Designer license to sell.
>>> 
>>> I am moving out of the country and will not be using it.
>>> 
>>> Please contact me for details.
>>> 
>>> Roger
>>> 
>>> four one nine six eight one two one four two  leave message.
>>
>> How much did it sell?
>
> Probably worth %5k or more.

Check Altium's website.  They're offering a perpetual license version
to Eagle owners for about $5k with a year's support and maintenance.
Autodesk has effectively destroyed Eagle by going to a subscription
model and folks are piling on.  My layout needs are modest so I've
moved to KiCAD.

John
John DeArmond
http://www.neon-john.com
http://www.tnduction.com 
Tellico Plains, Occupied TN
See website for email address

On 21/02/2017 22:18, Winfield Hill wrote:
> mjbiggs@gmail.com wrote...
>>
>> On Tuesday, December 15, 2015 at 11:24:45 AM UTC-6, tecf...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> I have a full commercial perpetual Altium Designer license to sell.
>>>
>>> I am moving out of the country and will not be using it.
>>>
>>> Please contact me for details.
>>>
>>> Roger
>>>
>>> four one nine six eight one two one four two  leave message.
>>
>> How much did it sell?
>
>   Probably worth %5k or more.
>
>

Altium are offering a %40 discount at the moment (giving a sale price of 
$5495) for users moving from Eagle.

In reality if you haggle with them a %40 discount is usually achievable 
in any case.

mjbiggs@gmail.com wrote...
>
>On Tuesday, December 15, 2015 at 11:24:45 AM UTC-6, tecf...@gmail.com wrote:
>> I have a full commercial perpetual Altium Designer license to sell.
>> 
>> I am moving out of the country and will not be using it.
>> 
>> Please contact me for details.
>> 
>> Roger
>> 
>> four one nine six eight one two one four two  leave message.
>
> How much did it sell?

 Probably worth %5k or more.


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 Thanks,
    - Win

On Tuesday, December 15, 2015 at 11:24:45 AM UTC-6, tecf...@gmail.com wrote:
> I have a full commercial perpetual Altium Designer license to sell.
> 
> I am moving out of the country and will not be using it.
> 
> Please contact me for details.
> 
> Roger
> 
> four one nine six eight one two one four two  leave message.

How much did it sell?

I have a full commercial perpetual Altium Designer license to sell.

I am moving out of the country and will not be using it.

Please contact me for details.

Roger

four one nine six eight one two one four two  leave message.

On 09/28/2015 07:14 PM, N. Coesel wrote:
> Op 09/27/2015 om 09:41 PM schreef mixed nuts:
>> On 9/27/2015 3:13 PM, rickman wrote:
>>>
>>> I have had no end of trouble with licenses expiring at very inconvenient
>>> times.  That is the main reason why I try to avoid them at all costs.
>>
>> There's actually a warning starting a week or two before expiration.
>> It'll ask you if you want an upgrade or just a new key - painless. ;)
>
> I don't even buy/use that kind of software! Software must keep working
> always.
>

Yup.  Windows-as-a-service--the jokes write themselves!

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

(Who is currently in bed with a cold, installing the Nth version of 
Linux in a VirtualBox VM [hosted under Mint] to play with.  Looks like 
CentOS 7 LTS is a win.)

-- 
Dr Philip C D Hobbs
Principal Consultant
ElectroOptical Innovations LLC
Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics

160 North State Road #203
Briarcliff Manor NY 10510

hobbs at electrooptical dot net
http://electrooptical.net

Op 09/27/2015 om 09:41 PM schreef mixed nuts:
> On 9/27/2015 3:13 PM, rickman wrote:
>>
>> I have had no end of trouble with licenses expiring at very inconvenient
>> times.  That is the main reason why I try to avoid them at all costs.
>
> There's actually a warning starting a week or two before expiration.
> It'll ask you if you want an upgrade or just a new key - painless. ;)

I don't even buy/use that kind of software! Software must keep working 
always.

On 9/28/2015 5:52 AM, John Devereux wrote:
> rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> writes:
>
>> On 9/28/2015 2:54 AM, John Devereux wrote:
>>> rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> writes:
>>>
>>>> On 9/27/2015 3:41 PM, mixed nuts wrote:
>>>>> On 9/27/2015 3:13 PM, rickman wrote:
>>>>>> On 9/27/2015 2:32 PM, mixed nuts wrote:
>>>>>>> On 9/25/2015 3:06 PM, Neon John wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Tue, 22 Sep 2015 11:55:53 +0100, John Devereux
>>>>>>>> <john@devereux.me.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Yeah, I just bought it for my company and I am still deeply ambivalent
>>>>>>>>> about it. Kicad is *so* close now, and it looks like it is on a really
>>>>>>>>> good path for the future.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Fully agree.  My company has used Eagle for about 6 years but we're
>>>>>>>> transitioning to KiCAD.  It's not quite there yet but it's soooo
>>>>>>>> close.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> While on the topic of CAD, someone asked awhile back about mechanical
>>>>>>>> CAD.  We're using Qcad.  It's quite good and very Auto-CAD-like but I
>>>>>>>> recommend it only provisionally because it's basically gimp-ware.  The
>>>>>>>> FOSS part is basically useless for anything more than drawing lines
>>>>>>>> and circles.  One has to buy the proprietary add-ons to get actual
>>>>>>>> functionality like being able to do sophisticated things with
>>>>>>>> polylines and blocks.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I've been using SolidEdge 2D - free, fully functional, parametric
>>>>>>> modeling (change a dimension, relationships change according to
>>>>>>> constraints you define).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://www.plm.automation.siemens.com/en_us/products/solid-edge/free2d/index.shtml
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Once a year (around this time - September) a new version is released and
>>>>>>> your license key (a small text file) expires. The fix is to download the
>>>>>>> new version or update the key. All you have to do is provide your info
>>>>>>> so a salesman can contact you to see if you'd like to upgrade to the
>>>>>>> pay-for 3D system.
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have had no end of trouble with licenses expiring at very inconvenient
>>>>>> times.  That is the main reason why I try to avoid them at all costs.
>>>>>
>>>>> There's actually a warning starting a week or two before expiration.
>>>>> It'll ask you if you want an upgrade or just a new key - painless. ;)
>>>>
>>>> That's great if you used the product in that week.  I often don't use
>>>> CAD tools for weeks or even months at a time.  I guess I should just
>>>> get used to tools requiring activation every time I want to use them,
>>>> but I don't.
>>>>
>>>> I guess the process for this program is less painless than others.  I
>>>> have started a new project on a Friday only to find I had to wait
>>>> until the next business day to get a new license which means I can't
>>>> work over the weekend, which I often do when working.  FPGA tools are
>>>> not very license friendly.
>>>
>>> It sounds like they can cut-off usage of the free product any time they
>>> want to. In fact it *will* get cut-off when they get tired of running
>>> the license server, change their product strategy, the product gets
>>> bought out, etc.
>>>
>>> Sounds a bit precarious, a CAD system is a big investment not just in
>>> financial terms but in the time invested in learning it, the drawings,
>>> developing libraries and templates etc.
>>
>> I don't know what type of tools you use, I do VHDL design on FPGAs.
>> The only device specific investment is the pin out which is not
>> compatible between product lines much less brands.  So either I use
>> the tools for that part or I redesign the PCB.
>>
>> FPGA vendors won't drop their free tools.  They would lose a lot of
>> customers and the free tools don't cost them much really.
>
> Sorry, I was unclear. I was referring to the SolidEdge licensing not
> your FPGA tools.

Yes, I won't use proprietary CAD tools anymore.  But even those are not 
likely to cut off the free tools.  Have any of the vendors done this?

-- 

Rick

On 9/28/2015 2:54 AM, John Devereux wrote:
> rickman <gnuarm@gmail.com> writes:
>
>> On 9/27/2015 3:41 PM, mixed nuts wrote:
>>> On 9/27/2015 3:13 PM, rickman wrote:
>>>> On 9/27/2015 2:32 PM, mixed nuts wrote:
>>>>> On 9/25/2015 3:06 PM, Neon John wrote:
>>>>>> On Tue, 22 Sep 2015 11:55:53 +0100, John Devereux
>>>>>> <john@devereux.me.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yeah, I just bought it for my company and I am still deeply ambivalent
>>>>>>> about it. Kicad is *so* close now, and it looks like it is on a really
>>>>>>> good path for the future.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Fully agree.  My company has used Eagle for about 6 years but we're
>>>>>> transitioning to KiCAD.  It's not quite there yet but it's soooo
>>>>>> close.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> While on the topic of CAD, someone asked awhile back about mechanical
>>>>>> CAD.  We're using Qcad.  It's quite good and very Auto-CAD-like but I
>>>>>> recommend it only provisionally because it's basically gimp-ware.  The
>>>>>> FOSS part is basically useless for anything more than drawing lines
>>>>>> and circles.  One has to buy the proprietary add-ons to get actual
>>>>>> functionality like being able to do sophisticated things with
>>>>>> polylines and blocks.
>>>>>
>>>>> I've been using SolidEdge 2D - free, fully functional, parametric
>>>>> modeling (change a dimension, relationships change according to
>>>>> constraints you define).
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.plm.automation.siemens.com/en_us/products/solid-edge/free2d/index.shtml
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Once a year (around this time - September) a new version is released and
>>>>> your license key (a small text file) expires. The fix is to download the
>>>>> new version or update the key. All you have to do is provide your info
>>>>> so a salesman can contact you to see if you'd like to upgrade to the
>>>>> pay-for 3D system.
>
>
>>>>
>>>> I have had no end of trouble with licenses expiring at very inconvenient
>>>> times.  That is the main reason why I try to avoid them at all costs.
>>>
>>> There's actually a warning starting a week or two before expiration.
>>> It'll ask you if you want an upgrade or just a new key - painless. ;)
>>
>> That's great if you used the product in that week.  I often don't use
>> CAD tools for weeks or even months at a time.  I guess I should just
>> get used to tools requiring activation every time I want to use them,
>> but I don't.
>>
>> I guess the process for this program is less painless than others.  I
>> have started a new project on a Friday only to find I had to wait
>> until the next business day to get a new license which means I can't
>> work over the weekend, which I often do when working.  FPGA tools are
>> not very license friendly.
>
> It sounds like they can cut-off usage of the free product any time they
> want to. In fact it *will* get cut-off when they get tired of running
> the license server, change their product strategy, the product gets
> bought out, etc.
>
> Sounds a bit precarious, a CAD system is a big investment not just in
> financial terms but in the time invested in learning it, the drawings,
> developing libraries and templates etc.
>

I've been told that it's actually a very successful sales tool.  Once a 
year, the customer (or potential customer) reconnects with the company. 
  If said customer checks the "contact is OK" box, somebody will call. 
Not much different from keeping a sales "tickler" file.  Siemens 
management seems to understand and support this.  Maybe they came up 
with the idea.

The license key is a local text file - no license server to connect to. 
  One person can put this file on a thumb drive or email it around. 
Poof - everybody's good for another year.

Libraries and templates are always an issue. The pain is only weakly 
related to the CAD package in use.  I believe the pain is proportional 
to the square of the number of engineers with write access to the 
template directory.

-- 
Grizzly H.