Reply by jesu...@gmail.com●April 29, 20202020-04-29
El martes, 19 de febrero de 2013, 19:00:27 (UTC-7), John Larkin escribió:
> On Tue, 19 Feb 2013 01:17:20 -0500, "P E Schoen" <paul@peschoen.com> wrote:
>
> >I was trying to design a simple voltage relay in LTspice and I wanted to use
> >a DIAC, but I had a hard time finding a model that worked. Finally I found
> >the following in an obscure Japanese or Chinese website
> >http://bbs.dianyuan.com/topic/111118:
> >
> >* PSpice Model Editor - Version 9.2
> >
> >*$
> >**********
> >*SRC=DB3; 32V 2A
> >*DIAC
> >*改变DZ的BV可以改变Vbo
> >.SUBCKT DB3 1 2
> >* TERMINALS: MT2 MT1
> >QN1 5 4 2 NOUT; OFF
> >QN2 8 6 7 NOUT; OFF
> >QP1 6 8 10 POUT; OFF
> >QP2 4 5 9 POUT; OFF
> >D1 7 9 DZ
> >D2 2 10 DZ
> >DF 4 3 DZ; OFF
> >DR 6 3 DZ; OFF
> >RF 4 3 1.13E+7
> >RR 6 3 1.13E+7
> >RT2 1 7 0.755
> >RH 7 6 10k
> >RH2 4 2 10k
> >.MODEL DZ D (IS=321F RS=100 N=1.5 IBV=10N BV=30.3)
> >.MODEL POUT PNP (IS=321F BF=100 CJE=134p TF=25.5U)
> >.MODEL NOUT NPN (IS=321F BF=200 CJE=134p CJC=26.8p TF=1.7U)
> >.ENDS
> >*$
> >
> >Some other less useful sites are:
> >http://www.beigebag.com/case_shockley.htm
> >http://users.skynet.be/hugocoolens/spice/power/diac.htm
> >
> >The website www.st.com is supposed to have models but it redirects to an
> >under construction page :(
> >
> >What I want to do is replace a voltage relay in an octal enclosure that
> >determines if the voltage is nominally 120 VAC or 208/240 VAC, and allowing
> >the mains voltage to be applied to the power section of the unit only if it
> >is properly configured in series or parallel. The present design uses a
> >capacitor dropper circuit that has proven unreliable in the field, probably
> >from high current spikes due to high frequency components of the waveform.
> >
> >Paul
>
> Use the LT Spice "neon bulb" part!
>
>
> --
>
> John Larkin Highland Technology Inc
> www.highlandtechnology.com jlarkin at highlandtechnology dot com
>
> Precision electronic instrumentation
> Picosecond-resolution Digital Delay and Pulse generators
> Custom timing and laser controllers
> Photonics and fiberoptic TTL data links
> VME analog, thermocouple, LVDT, synchro, tachometer
> Multichannel arbitrary waveform generators
El martes, 19 de febrero de 2013, 19:00:27 (UTC-7), John Larkin escribió:
> On Tue, 19 Feb 2013 01:17:20 -0500, "P E Schoen" <paul@peschoen.com> wrote:
>
> >I was trying to design a simple voltage relay in LTspice and I wanted to use
> >a DIAC, but I had a hard time finding a model that worked. Finally I found
> >the following in an obscure Japanese or Chinese website
> >http://bbs.dianyuan.com/topic/111118:
> >
> >* PSpice Model Editor - Version 9.2
> >
> >*$
> >**********
> >*SRC=DB3; 32V 2A
> >*DIAC
> >*改变DZ的BV可以改变Vbo
> >.SUBCKT DB3 1 2
> >* TERMINALS: MT2 MT1
> >QN1 5 4 2 NOUT; OFF
> >QN2 8 6 7 NOUT; OFF
> >QP1 6 8 10 POUT; OFF
> >QP2 4 5 9 POUT; OFF
> >D1 7 9 DZ
> >D2 2 10 DZ
> >DF 4 3 DZ; OFF
> >DR 6 3 DZ; OFF
> >RF 4 3 1.13E+7
> >RR 6 3 1.13E+7
> >RT2 1 7 0.755
> >RH 7 6 10k
> >RH2 4 2 10k
> >.MODEL DZ D (IS=321F RS=100 N=1.5 IBV=10N BV=30.3)
> >.MODEL POUT PNP (IS=321F BF=100 CJE=134p TF=25.5U)
> >.MODEL NOUT NPN (IS=321F BF=200 CJE=134p CJC=26.8p TF=1.7U)
> >.ENDS
> >*$
> >
> >Some other less useful sites are:
> >http://www.beigebag.com/case_shockley.htm
> >http://users.skynet.be/hugocoolens/spice/power/diac.htm
> >
> >The website www.st.com is supposed to have models but it redirects to an
> >under construction page :(
> >
> >What I want to do is replace a voltage relay in an octal enclosure that
> >determines if the voltage is nominally 120 VAC or 208/240 VAC, and allowing
> >the mains voltage to be applied to the power section of the unit only if it
> >is properly configured in series or parallel. The present design uses a
> >capacitor dropper circuit that has proven unreliable in the field, probably
> >from high current spikes due to high frequency components of the waveform.
> >
> >Paul
>
> Use the LT Spice "neon bulb" part!
>
>
> --
>
> John Larkin Highland Technology Inc
> www.highlandtechnology.com jlarkin at highlandtechnology dot com
>
> Precision electronic instrumentation
> Picosecond-resolution Digital Delay and Pulse generators
> Custom timing and laser controllers
> Photonics and fiberoptic TTL data links
> VME analog, thermocouple, LVDT, synchro, tachometer
> Multichannel arbitrary waveform generators
Reply by John Larkin●February 19, 20132013-02-19
On Tue, 19 Feb 2013 01:17:20 -0500, "P E Schoen" <paul@peschoen.com> wrote:
>I was trying to design a simple voltage relay in LTspice and I wanted to use
>a DIAC, but I had a hard time finding a model that worked. Finally I found
>the following in an obscure Japanese or Chinese website
>http://bbs.dianyuan.com/topic/111118:
>
>* PSpice Model Editor - Version 9.2
>
>*$
>**********
>*SRC=DB3; 32V 2A
>*DIAC
>*�ı�DZ��BV���Ըı�Vbo
>.SUBCKT DB3 1 2
>* TERMINALS: MT2 MT1
>QN1 5 4 2 NOUT; OFF
>QN2 8 6 7 NOUT; OFF
>QP1 6 8 10 POUT; OFF
>QP2 4 5 9 POUT; OFF
>D1 7 9 DZ
>D2 2 10 DZ
>DF 4 3 DZ; OFF
>DR 6 3 DZ; OFF
>RF 4 3 1.13E+7
>RR 6 3 1.13E+7
>RT2 1 7 0.755
>RH 7 6 10k
>RH2 4 2 10k
>.MODEL DZ D (IS=321F RS=100 N=1.5 IBV=10N BV=30.3)
>.MODEL POUT PNP (IS=321F BF=100 CJE=134p TF=25.5U)
>.MODEL NOUT NPN (IS=321F BF=200 CJE=134p CJC=26.8p TF=1.7U)
>.ENDS
>*$
>
>Some other less useful sites are:
>http://www.beigebag.com/case_shockley.htm
>http://users.skynet.be/hugocoolens/spice/power/diac.htm
>
>The website www.st.com is supposed to have models but it redirects to an
>under construction page :(
>
>What I want to do is replace a voltage relay in an octal enclosure that
>determines if the voltage is nominally 120 VAC or 208/240 VAC, and allowing
>the mains voltage to be applied to the power section of the unit only if it
>is properly configured in series or parallel. The present design uses a
>capacitor dropper circuit that has proven unreliable in the field, probably
>from high current spikes due to high frequency components of the waveform.
>
>Paul
Use the LT Spice "neon bulb" part!
--
John Larkin Highland Technology Inc
www.highlandtechnology.com jlarkin at highlandtechnology dot com
Precision electronic instrumentation
Picosecond-resolution Digital Delay and Pulse generators
Custom timing and laser controllers
Photonics and fiberoptic TTL data links
VME analog, thermocouple, LVDT, synchro, tachometer
Multichannel arbitrary waveform generators
Reply by Christian Koch●February 19, 20132013-02-19
P E Schoen wrote:
> The website www.st.com is supposed to have models but it redirects to an
> under construction page :(
On Tue, 19 Feb 2013 01:17:20 -0500, "P E Schoen" <paul@peschoen.com>
wrote:
>I was trying to design a simple voltage relay in LTspice and I wanted to use
>a DIAC, but I had a hard time finding a model that worked. Finally I found
>the following in an obscure Japanese or Chinese website
>http://bbs.dianyuan.com/topic/111118:
I have seen this site before and it is very pretty looking,
but I can't read it and never have seen any of the content
that was supposedly being linked.
For instance, I don't see any spice models on this pages linked
to.
It looks like they sell electronics parts though. No English
tab that I can see.
boB
>
>* PSpice Model Editor - Version 9.2
>
>*$
>**********
>*SRC=DB3; 32V 2A
>*DIAC
>*�ı�DZ��BV���Ըı�Vbo
>.SUBCKT DB3 1 2
>* TERMINALS: MT2 MT1
>QN1 5 4 2 NOUT; OFF
>QN2 8 6 7 NOUT; OFF
>QP1 6 8 10 POUT; OFF
>QP2 4 5 9 POUT; OFF
>D1 7 9 DZ
>D2 2 10 DZ
>DF 4 3 DZ; OFF
>DR 6 3 DZ; OFF
>RF 4 3 1.13E+7
>RR 6 3 1.13E+7
>RT2 1 7 0.755
>RH 7 6 10k
>RH2 4 2 10k
>.MODEL DZ D (IS=321F RS=100 N=1.5 IBV=10N BV=30.3)
>.MODEL POUT PNP (IS=321F BF=100 CJE=134p TF=25.5U)
>.MODEL NOUT NPN (IS=321F BF=200 CJE=134p CJC=26.8p TF=1.7U)
>.ENDS
>*$
>
>Some other less useful sites are:
>http://www.beigebag.com/case_shockley.htm
>http://users.skynet.be/hugocoolens/spice/power/diac.htm
>
>The website www.st.com is supposed to have models but it redirects to an
>under construction page :(
>
>What I want to do is replace a voltage relay in an octal enclosure that
>determines if the voltage is nominally 120 VAC or 208/240 VAC, and allowing
>the mains voltage to be applied to the power section of the unit only if it
>is properly configured in series or parallel. The present design uses a
>capacitor dropper circuit that has proven unreliable in the field, probably
>from high current spikes due to high frequency components of the waveform.
>
>Paul
Reply by P E Schoen●February 19, 20132013-02-19
I was trying to design a simple voltage relay in LTspice and I wanted to =
use=20
a DIAC, but I had a hard time finding a model that worked. Finally I =
found=20
the following in an obscure Japanese or Chinese website=20
http://bbs.dianyuan.com/topic/111118:
* PSpice Model Editor - Version 9.2
*$
**********
*SRC=3DDB3; 32V 2A
*DIAC
*=B8=C4=B1=E4DZ=B5=C4BV=BF=C9=D2=D4=B8=C4=B1=E4Vbo
.SUBCKT DB3 1 2
* TERMINALS: MT2 MT1
QN1 5 4 2 NOUT; OFF
QN2 8 6 7 NOUT; OFF
QP1 6 8 10 POUT; OFF
QP2 4 5 9 POUT; OFF
D1 7 9 DZ
D2 2 10 DZ
DF 4 3 DZ; OFF
DR 6 3 DZ; OFF
RF 4 3 1.13E+7
RR 6 3 1.13E+7
RT2 1 7 0.755
RH 7 6 10k
RH2 4 2 10k
.MODEL DZ D (IS=3D321F RS=3D100 N=3D1.5 IBV=3D10N BV=3D30.3)
.MODEL POUT PNP (IS=3D321F BF=3D100 CJE=3D134p TF=3D25.5U)
.MODEL NOUT NPN (IS=3D321F BF=3D200 CJE=3D134p CJC=3D26.8p TF=3D1.7U)
.ENDS
*$
Some other less useful sites are:
http://www.beigebag.com/case_shockley.htmhttp://users.skynet.be/hugocoolens/spice/power/diac.htm
The website www.st.com is supposed to have models but it redirects to an =
under construction page :(
What I want to do is replace a voltage relay in an octal enclosure that=20
determines if the voltage is nominally 120 VAC or 208/240 VAC, and =
allowing=20
the mains voltage to be applied to the power section of the unit only if =
it=20
is properly configured in series or parallel. The present design uses a=20
capacitor dropper circuit that has proven unreliable in the field, =
probably=20
from high current spikes due to high frequency components of the =
waveform.
Paul=20