Author: KitDate: 11:23 25-01-07
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Hi all,
I have finally decided to break down and buy a oscilloscope. But I
found I don't know what to get. As this will be by first oscilloscope I
don't need any thing fancy. I don't have a lot of money so a used one
would be fine, if it had a manual or I could get one. I would be
willing to spend maybe 60.00 usd for the oscilloscope. I did find
http://www.omega.com/pptst/HHSM310.html but I don't know what I should
be looking for.
So if you have any ideas that would be great.
Thanks
-Kit
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Author: John FieldsDate: 11:35 25-01-07
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On 25 Jan 2007 08:23:06 -0800, "Kit" <kitmor@gmail.com> wrote:
>Hi all,
>I have finally decided to break down and buy a oscilloscope. But I
>found I don't know what to get. As this will be by first oscilloscope I
>don't need any thing fancy. I don't have a lot of money so a used one
>would be fine, if it had a manual or I could get one. I would be
>willing to spend maybe 60.00 usd for the oscilloscope. I did find
>http://www.omega.com/pptst/HHSM310.html but I don't know what I should
>be looking for.
>So if you have any ideas that would be great.
---
Ebay.
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JF
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Author: Jon SlaughterDate: 12:17 25-01-07
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"Kit" <kitmor@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1169742186.394069.279960@s48g2000cws.googlegroups.com...
> Hi all,
> I have finally decided to break down and buy a oscilloscope. But I
> found I don't know what to get. As this will be by first oscilloscope I
> don't need any thing fancy. I don't have a lot of money so a used one
> would be fine, if it had a manual or I could get one. I would be
> willing to spend maybe 60.00 usd for the oscilloscope. I did find
> http://www.omega.com/pptst/HHSM310.html but I don't know what I should
> be looking for.
That is 60$? Do you know thats just for the case. The scope itself is
probably over 1k$(if they still made them).
You'll be lucky if you find a decent scope for under $100 that actually
works. If your serious about the scope and can afford it then your best bet
is to spend more money. You can get a pc based scope that is much cheaper
than the overpriced full scopes.
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Author: RadiosrfunDate: 13:24 25-01-07
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"Jon Slaughter" <Jon_Slaughter@Hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:0D5uh.1300$4H1.271@newssvr17.news.prodigy.net...
>
> "Kit" <kitmor@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1169742186.394069.279960@s48g2000cws.googlegroups.com...
>> Hi all,
>> I have finally decided to break down and buy a oscilloscope. But I
>> found I don't know what to get. As this will be by first oscilloscope I
>> don't need any thing fancy. I don't have a lot of money so a used one
>> would be fine, if it had a manual or I could get one. I would be
>> willing to spend maybe 60.00 usd for the oscilloscope. I did find
>> http://www.omega.com/pptst/HHSM310.html but I don't know what I should
>> be looking for.
>
> That is 60$? Do you know thats just for the case. The scope itself is
> probably over 1k$(if they still made them).
>
> You'll be lucky if you find a decent scope for under $100 that actually
> works. If your serious about the scope and can afford it then your best
> bet is to spend more money. You can get a pc based scope that is much
> cheaper than the overpriced full scopes.
>
I don't know about that. I've found the older 5 meg scopes for like $5. I've
found 20 Megs for $40. I've bought and still have - in great condition -
two - 60 Meg or higer - dual trace scopes for $100 (together). If you look
around, you can find something to fit your needs. If there are any hamfests
in the area, check them out.
RAF
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Author: Homer J SimpsonDate: 13:36 25-01-07
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"Kit" <kitmor@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1169742186.394069.279960@s48g2000cws.googlegroups.com...
> I have finally decided to break down and buy a oscilloscope. But I
> found I don't know what to get. As this will be by first oscilloscope I
> don't need any thing fancy. I don't have a lot of money so a used one
> would be fine, if it had a manual or I could get one. I would be
> willing to spend maybe 60.00 usd for the oscilloscope. I did find
> http://www.omega.com/pptst/HHSM310.html but I don't know what I should
> be looking for.
I've seen the Velleman on eBay (new?) for $100 but I got a crt model, dual
trace, 100 MHz with delayed sweep for much less than that there.
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Author: Brian EllisDate: 15:24 25-01-07
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http://www.fncwired.com/
"Kit" <kitmor@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1169742186.394069.279960@s48g2000cws.googlegroups.com...
> Hi all,
> I have finally decided to break down and buy a oscilloscope. But I
> found I don't know what to get. As this will be by first oscilloscope I
> don't need any thing fancy. I don't have a lot of money so a used one
> would be fine, if it had a manual or I could get one. I would be
> willing to spend maybe 60.00 usd for the oscilloscope. I did find
> http://www.omega.com/pptst/HHSM310.html but I don't know what I should
> be looking for.
> So if you have any ideas that would be great.
> Thanks
> -Kit
>
It sounds like you don't need anything more that a dual trace 20 MHz. scope
(of course a 100 MHz is better). I prefer analog as apposed to digital
(better for low level noise observations and random signals). As John Fields
said, Ebay is probably the best place to find one. As someone else
suggested, a hamfest is also a good place too. I found a dual trace, 100 MHz
with all the probes and books (and of course worked too), at a garage sale
(not a likely place to find one though).
Brian Ellis
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Author: Phil AllisonDate: 19:03 25-01-07
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Author: redbellyDate: 20:15 25-01-07
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On Jan 25, 7:03 pm, "Phil Allison" <philalli...@tpg.com.au> wrote:
> "Kit" <kit...@gmail.com> wrote in
messagenews:1169742186.394069.279960@s48g2000cws.googlegroups.com...
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> ** Impoverished Groper Alert :
>
> > I have finally decided to break down and buy a oscilloscope. But I
> > found I don't know what to get. As this will be by first oscilloscope I
> > don't need any thing fancy. I don't have a lot of money so a used one
> > would be fine, if it had a manual or I could get one. I would be
> > willing to spend maybe 60.00 usd for the oscilloscope. I did find
> >http://www.omega.com/pptst/HHSM310.htmlbut I don't know what I should
> > be looking for.** There is no price for the ( " No Longer Available
" ) scope in that ad.
>
> Just prices for probes, a carry case and a special printer.
>
> The scope would have cost at least $2000.
>
> Here is a new scope for the sort of price you like - with a probe.
>
> http://www.dse.com.au/cgi-bin/dse.storefront/45b9463b04e5dc222740c0a8...
WTF? It's a "single channel" model, yet has a second input to display
in x-y mode? How hard/costly would it be to make the already existing
y-channel into a 2nd time-based input?
Have to admit, for 100 Aus$ (80 $US) that's better than I'd expect.
But if it were me, I'd go ahead and pay $400 for their dual-trace 20
MHz model:
http://www.dse.com.au/cgi-bin/dse.storefront/45b9463b04e5dc222740c0a87f9c06f5/Product/Vi
ew/Q1802
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Author: Phil AllisonDate: 20:31 25-01-07
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Author: KitDate: 02:05 26-01-07
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On Jan 25, 5:31 pm, "Phil Allison" <philalli...@tpg.com.au> wrote:
> "redneck" <redbell...@yahoo.com> wrote in
messagenews:1169774121.551251.291560@q2g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
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> ** Groper Red Neck Alert !
>
> >> Here is a new scope for the sort of price you like - with a probe.
>
> >>http://www.dse.com.au/cgi-bin/dse.storefront/45b9463b04e5dc222740c0a8...
>
> > WTF? It's a "single channel" model, yet has a second input to
display
> > in x-y mode? How hard/costly would it be to make the already existing
> > y-channel into a 2nd time-based input?** Significantly more.
>
> Plus you have no clue of the very many scope users who have no need of dual
> trace capability.
>
> Low cost, small, sharp images and genuinely portable are real needs.
>
> ....... Phil
I apologies if I sound ignorant, because I am. I did not relies that
was just the case.
But I don't know what to be looking for. I was looking on ebay and
found this
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/HP-54600A-Oscilloscope_W0QQitemZ140077351937QQihZ004QQcat
egoryZ43989QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
but as I don't know what to look for in an oscilloscope I don't know if
it a good one.
Thanks for the help
-Kit
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Author: Homer J SimpsonDate: 02:41 26-01-07
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"Kit" <kitmor@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1169795156.217053.41890@s48g2000cws.googlegroups.com...
> I apologies if I sound ignorant, because I am. I did not relies that
> was just the case.
> But I don't know what to be looking for. I was looking on ebay and
> found this
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=140077351937
> but as I don't know what to look for in an oscilloscope I don't know if
> it a good one.
Could be OK but I generally avoid HP, Tektronix and the like as IMO you need
to know what you are buying. If you can find someone who knows this model
you would be well advised to heed their comments.
Item numbers: 270081944322, 250076958448, 110083181317 amongst others look
worth studying.
BTW, the items sold by 'don230175' scream fraud to me. There's a reason the
bidders' User IDs are being kept private.
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Author: John FieldsDate: 07:44 26-01-07
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Author: Bob MastaDate: 08:34 26-01-07
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On Thu, 25 Jan 2007 11:17:58 -0600, "Jon Slaughter"
<Jon_Slaughter@Hotmail.com> wrote:
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>"Kit" <kitmor@gmail.com> wrote in message
>news:1169742186.394069.279960@s48g2000cws.googlegroups.com...
>> Hi all,
>> I have finally decided to break down and buy a oscilloscope. But I
>> found I don't know what to get. As this will be by first oscilloscope I
>> don't need any thing fancy. I don't have a lot of money so a used one
>> would be fine, if it had a manual or I could get one. I would be
>> willing to spend maybe 60.00 usd for the oscilloscope. I did find
>> http://www.omega.com/pptst/HHSM310.html but I don't know what I should
>> be looking for.
>
>That is 60$? Do you know thats just for the case. The scope itself is
>probably over 1k$(if they still made them).
>
>You'll be lucky if you find a decent scope for under $100 that actually
>works. If your serious about the scope and can afford it then your best bet
>is to spend more money. You can get a pc based scope that is much cheaper
>than the overpriced full scopes.
>
And if you want to go *really* cheap, you can use your PC sound
card and some software. Shameless plug: Daqarta for Windows
is only US$29. (The older DOS-based version is now free, but
only works with ISA-bus Sound Blasters.) Besides triggered
dual-trace scope operation, it also offers spectrum analysis, color
spectrograms, signal averaging, and stereo signal generation. *
The downside is that sound cards are only good for audio frequencies,
typically 5 Hz to 20 kHz or so. That's nowhere near enough to serve
as your sole "general purpose" scope, but it's fine for most audio
work. You might miss some high frequency instabilities or
oscillations, for example. But if you do a lot of audio work, it's
really handy to have it generate a low-distortion test signal and show
your circuit's distortion spectrum at a glance... such as for bias
adjustments. That's something you probably won't find in a used
scope in your price range.
Nevertheless, I have a 100 MHz "real" scope on my bench as
well as the monitor for Daqarta. If you are only going to have one
scope, it should be 20 MHz or more for general-purpose work.
* PS: The Daqarta for Windows signal generator continues to
work even after the free trial period expires. It's yours to keep,
free of charge. Not available in any store! ;-)
Best regards,
Bob Masta
dqatechATdaqartaDOTcom
D A Q A R T A
Data AcQuisition And Real-Time Analysis
www.daqarta.com
Scope, Spectrum, Spectrogram, Signal Generator
Science with your sound card!
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Author: Homer J SimpsonDate: 13:47 26-01-07
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"John Fields" <jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote in message
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>>Could be OK but I generally avoid HP, Tektronix and the like as IMO you
>>need
>>to know what you are buying.
> Damn, Homer, you just can't seem to keep from having your posts
> scream out: "I'M A FUCKING IDIOT!!!", can you?
I don't know. I can barely hear myself think for the constant racket of you
screaming out: "I'M A FUCKING IDIOT!!! REALLY I AM" over and over again.
Perhaps you should get the doctors to up your medication?
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Author: John FieldsDate: 13:55 26-01-07
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On Fri, 26 Jan 2007 18:47:30 GMT, "Homer J Simpson"
<nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
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>"John Fields" <jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote in message
>news:4dtjr2h0k0rc1fbdcah30922qbt9de4438@4ax.com...
>
>>>Could be OK but I generally avoid HP, Tektronix and the like as IMO you
>>>need
>>>to know what you are buying.
>
>> Damn, Homer, you just can't seem to keep from having your posts
>> scream out: "I'M A FUCKING IDIOT!!!", can you?
>
>I don't know. I can barely hear myself think for the constant racket of you
>screaming out: "I'M A FUCKING IDIOT!!! REALLY I AM" over and over again.
>Perhaps you should get the doctors to up your medication?
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I think you should try to get Peter Hucker to adopt you.
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Author: Homer J SimpsonDate: 14:25 26-01-07
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Author: John FieldsDate: 14:48 26-01-07
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On Fri, 26 Jan 2007 19:25:27 GMT, "Homer J Simpson"
<nobody@nowhere.com> wrote:
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>"John Fields" <jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote in message
>news:fjjkr2pn2tk80oo451a28ie6h4395bq7mp@4ax.com...
>
>>>Perhaps you should get the doctors to up your medication?
>
>> I think you should try to get Peter Hucker to adopt you.
>
>Is that your dream? To be adopted by a soccer playing man?
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No dumbass, you're a parrot. Read the thread about parrots and
microwaves.
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JF
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Author: Homer J SimpsonDate: 14:52 26-01-07
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"John Fields" <jfields@austininstruments.com> wrote in message
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>>Is that your dream? To be adopted by a soccer playing man?
> No dumbass, you're a parrot. Read the thread about parrots and
> microwaves.
Haven't seen it. Doesn't sound interesting except to someone with a limited
imagination.
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Author: David L. JonesDate: 19:11 26-01-07
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On Jan 26, 6:05 pm, "Kit" <kit...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jan 25, 5:31 pm, "Phil Allison" <philalli...@tpg.com.au> wrote:
>
>
>
> > "redneck" <redbell...@yahoo.com> wrote in
messagenews:1169774121.551251.291560@q2g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>
> > ** Groper Red Neck Alert !
>
> > >> Here is a new scope for the sort of price you like - with a probe.
>
> >
>>http://www.dse.com.au/cgi-bin/dse.storefront/45b9463b04e5dc222740c0a8...
>
> > > WTF? It's a "single channel" model, yet has a second input to
display
> > > in x-y mode? How hard/costly would it be to make the already existing
> > > y-channel into a 2nd time-based input?** Significantly more.
>
> > Plus you have no clue of the very many scope users who have no need of dual
> > trace capability.
>
> > Low cost, small, sharp images and genuinely portable are real needs.
>
> > ....... PhilI apologies if I sound ignorant, because I am. I did not relies
that
> was just the case.
> But I don't know what to be looking for. I was looking on ebay and
> found thishttp://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/HP-54600A-Oscilloscope_W0QQitemZ140077...
> but as I don't know what to look for in an oscilloscope I don't know if
> it a good one.
> Thanks for the help
> -Kit
Kit, the two scopes you have looked at so far are "Digital Storage"
oscilloscopes.
For starting out you want an "Analog" oscilloscope.
An analog oscilloscope is the real "traditional" oscilloscope and will
be easy to learn and use.
A digital oscilloscope is only needed once you have (and know you have)
a requirement for it, it will have a steeper learning curve and a much
higher price.
Ideally what you need is a 20MHz or higher (50MHz is great, 100MHz
excellent) dual trace analog oscilloscope, and the most affordable
place is on eBay. People have *given away* such scopes for FREE via
these groups and other places, so you might get lucky. You should be
easily able to get a 20MHz dual trace model for around $100 second
hand. If you want to buy a NEW analog scope, then the only one in your
price range is the single channel one Phil suggested. The only
advantage of a new scope is that it is guaranteed working, other than
that they are poor value.
There are plenty of surplus test gear places in the US that will sell
you a second hand scope that is guaranteed working, but you will
usually pay more than one from a private seller on eBay.
Dave :)
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Author: David L. JonesDate: 19:14 26-01-07
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On Jan 26, 6:41 pm, "Homer J Simpson" <nob...@nowhere.com> wrote:
> "Kit" <kit...@gmail.com> wrote in
messagenews:1169795156.217053.41890@s48g2000cws.googlegroups.com...
>
> > I apologies if I sound ignorant, because I am. I did not relies that
> > was just the case.
> > But I don't know what to be looking for. I was looking on ebay and
> > found this
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1400773...
>
> > but as I don't know what to look for in an oscilloscope I don't know if
> > it a good one.Could be OK but I generally avoid HP, Tektronix and the like as
IMO you need
> to know what you are buying.
You are kidding right?
Avoid HP and Tektronix????
They are only two of the biggest and reputable scope makers in history.
Dave :)
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