On Wednesday, May 3, 2023 at 1:09:45 PM UTC-7, Ed Lee wrote:
> On Wednesday, May 3, 2023 at 12:15:32 PM UTC-7, Ed Lee wrote: 
> > On Wednesday, May 3, 2023 at 6:57:39 AM UTC-7, Ed Lee wrote: 
> > > CSU (Cal State U) is now anti-EV. During the pandemic, I got kicked out of their chargers. Now, all chargers go dark. I have to go 8 miles north to the charger in Cere. The charger looks and feels like ChargePoint, but i got an email that my EvGo account will be charged. The only link between EVGO and CHPT is my email address. 
> > > 
> > > Did EVGO hijacked CHPT? 
> > Did it twice just to be sure. I use CHPT RFID card on the CHPT charger, but the session showed up on my EVGO account. There is no way for CHPT to have my EVGO account and debit card info. The debit card is not in use anywhere else. Unless the station is scanning all my RFID cards in the key ring and pick only the EVGO card for billing but CHPT card for control on/off.
> Under Volt kills: 
> The CSU incidence drained my battery down to 9% and killed my expansion battery. That's fine, better than killing my main battery. Segment 3 is down to 80V. That means some cells are dead. I got 2 hot swap and 6 cold swap (need soldering) replacement modules in the car. Hopefully, I can do a hot battery swap at Walmart parking lot, before they kick me out.

Swapped out a 12V module at 4V.  Two banks are probably dead.  Nobody notice me at Walmart.  Back to business.  To borrow Musk's philosophy, failure is just an experiment.

On Wednesday, May 3, 2023 at 12:15:32 PM UTC-7, Ed Lee wrote:
> On Wednesday, May 3, 2023 at 6:57:39 AM UTC-7, Ed Lee wrote: 
> > CSU (Cal State U) is now anti-EV. During the pandemic, I got kicked out of their chargers. Now, all chargers go dark. I have to go 8 miles north to the charger in Cere. The charger looks and feels like ChargePoint, but i got an email that my EvGo account will be charged. The only link between EVGO and CHPT is my email address. 
> > 
> > Did EVGO hijacked CHPT?
> Did it twice just to be sure. I use CHPT RFID card on the CHPT charger, but the session showed up on my EVGO account. There is no way for CHPT to have my EVGO account and debit card info. The debit card is not in use anywhere else. Unless the station is scanning all my RFID cards in the key ring and pick only the EVGO card for billing but CHPT card for control on/off.

Under Volt kills:
The CSU incidence drained my battery down to 9% and killed my expansion battery.  That's fine, better than killing my main battery.  Segment 3 is down to 80V.  That means some cells are dead.  I got 2 hot swap and 6 cold swap (need soldering) replacement modules in the car.  Hopefully, I can do a hot battery swap at Walmart parking lot, before they kick me out.

On Wednesday, May 3, 2023 at 6:57:39 AM UTC-7, Ed Lee wrote:
> CSU (Cal State U) is now anti-EV. During the pandemic, I got kicked out of their chargers. Now, all chargers go dark. I have to go 8 miles north to the charger in Cere. The charger looks and feels like ChargePoint, but i got an email that my EvGo account will be charged. The only link between EVGO and CHPT is my email address. 
> 
> Did EVGO hijacked CHPT?

Did it twice just to be sure.  I use CHPT RFID card on the CHPT charger, but the session showed up on my EVGO account.  There is no way for CHPT to have my EVGO account and debit card info.  The debit card is not in use anywhere else.  Unless the station is scanning all my RFID cards in the key ring and pick only the EVGO card for billing but CHPT card for control on/off.

On Wednesday, May 3, 2023 at 10:17:55 AM UTC-7, John Larkin wrote:
> On Wed, 3 May 2023 07:21:33 -0700 (PDT), Ed Lee 
> <edward....@gmail.com> wrote:
> >On Wednesday, May 3, 2023 at 7:09:05?AM UTC-7, John Larkin wrote: 
> >> On Wed, 3 May 2023 06:57:34 -0700 (PDT), Ed Lee 
> >> <edward....@gmail.com> wrote: 
> >> 
> >> >CSU (Cal State U) is now anti-EV. During the pandemic, I got kicked out of their chargers. 
> >> Were they FREE? 
> > 
> >Yes, but I would pay if I have to. There is no other option along this route. 
> > 
> >> >Now, all chargers go dark. I have to go 8 miles north to the charger in Cere. The charger looks and feels like ChargePoint, but i got an email that my EvGo account will be charged. The only link between EVGO and CHPT is my email address. 
> >> > 
> >> >Did EVGO hijacked CHPT? 
> >> I don't think I want an electric car. 
> > 
> >Only if they are cheap. Leaf is cheaper than similar ICE cars, but you just have to pay what you get, not get what you pay.
> CHEAP. FREE. Is that your whole life?

I just don't feel like spending $30K to $40K for cars, when a 5K to 10K EV would do.

On Wed, 3 May 2023 07:21:33 -0700 (PDT), Ed Lee
<edward.ming.lee@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Wednesday, May 3, 2023 at 7:09:05?AM UTC-7, John Larkin wrote:
>> On Wed, 3 May 2023 06:57:34 -0700 (PDT), Ed Lee 
>> <edward....@gmail.com> wrote: 
>> 
>> >CSU (Cal State U) is now anti-EV. During the pandemic, I got kicked out of their chargers.
>> Were they FREE?
>
>Yes, but I would pay if I have to.  There is no other option along this route.
>
>> >Now, all chargers go dark. I have to go 8 miles north to the charger in Cere. The charger looks and feels like ChargePoint, but i got an email that my EvGo account will be charged. The only link between EVGO and CHPT is my email address. 
>> > 
>> >Did EVGO hijacked CHPT?
>> I don't think I want an electric car.
>
>Only if they are cheap.  Leaf is cheaper than similar ICE cars, but you just have to pay what you get, not get what you pay.

CHEAP. FREE. Is that your whole life? 

On 5/3/2023 8:30 AM, Ed Lee wrote:
> On Wednesday, May 3, 2023 at 8:17:02 AM UTC-7, Don Y wrote:
>> On 5/3/2023 8:11 AM, Ed Lee wrote:
>> 
>>>> Forget the proselytizing. Why would you want to CONTINUE with
>>>> something that is proving to be such a hassle? I could see if it was
>>>> something that you used infrequently -- like a weedwacker that is a
>>>> pain to rethread the cutting line... you can opt to put up with it
>>>> because it makes trimming weeds so much easier. But, I'm going to hop
>>>> in the car and buy some groceries. Then, two hours later, I'll head
>>>> out for another trip (store opens later). I'd surely not want to have
>>>> to wonder/worry about whether or not I can make both trips, regardless
>>>> of traffic, temperature sitting in stopped traffic under the sun, etc.
>>>> There's just more important things for me to worry about than "fuel".
>>>> 
>>>> [I have literally no idea where the cheapest fuel is, in town. But, I 
>>>> *do* know where the most *convenient* -- to my typical other
>>>> activities -- fuel is available. As its a commodity, I don't expect to
>>>> see significantly different prices from one place to another. Just
>>>> like I expect Planters Peanuts to cost *roughly* the same in a given
>>>> tier of shops]
>>> 
>>> But i only do long distance few times per year and I got plan B (AAA+)
>>> and C (GG). Local charging/driving within the bay area is fine.
>>> 
>>> AAA+: 4x100miles towing GG: Gasoline Generator
>> I only travel to other states a few times per year. I let a commercial 
>> airline get me there, most times. Because driving is not worth the time
>> nor *risk* (accidents, breakdowns, weather events, etc.)
>> 
>> [Vegas or SoCal are worth the drive as I have other activities that I can
>> take in when I've got "wheels". But, see below...]
>> 
>> Rent a car if you need to go any significant distance. Fuel will be 
>> available at damn near every corner. AND, if it breaks down, you call the
>> rental company: "YOUR car is broken. Come get/fix it!"
> 
> Well, AAA+ is like public transport for EV, and very reasonable (read the
> stalled EV thread).  You can't beat $25 for moving the car 100 miles.  I

I can *drive* 100 miles for less than that.  At $6/gallon.  And, I don't have
to coordinate with a tow company (who may be busy at that moment).

AND... I drive a 4000 pound ICE.  So, I guess an ICE is more economical?

> only need it going into Vegas and getting out of LA.  I can always do

Then find an alternative means of travel for those trips.  I only "need"
a plane to get to Chitown or Beantown.

> infinte one way loop of SF-LA-LV without problem.

On Wednesday, May 3, 2023 at 8:17:02 AM UTC-7, Don Y wrote:
> On 5/3/2023 8:11 AM, Ed Lee wrote: 
> 
> >> Forget the proselytizing. Why would you want to CONTINUE with something 
> >> that is proving to be such a hassle? I could see if it was something that 
> >> you used infrequently -- like a weedwacker that is a pain to rethread the 
> >> cutting line... you can opt to put up with it because it makes trimming 
> >> weeds so much easier. But, I'm going to hop in the car and buy some 
> >> groceries. Then, two hours later, I'll head out for another trip (store 
> >> opens later). I'd surely not want to have to wonder/worry about whether or 
> >> not I can make both trips, regardless of traffic, temperature sitting in 
> >> stopped traffic under the sun, etc. There's just more important things for 
> >> me to worry about than "fuel". 
> >> 
> >> [I have literally no idea where the cheapest fuel is, in town. But, I 
> >> *do* know where the most *convenient* -- to my typical other activities -- 
> >> fuel is available. As its a commodity, I don't expect to see 
> >> significantly different prices from one place to another. Just like I 
> >> expect Planters Peanuts to cost *roughly* the same in a given tier of 
> >> shops] 
> > 
> > But i only do long distance few times per year and I got plan B (AAA+) and C 
> > (GG). Local charging/driving within the bay area is fine. 
> > 
> > AAA+: 4x100miles towing GG: Gasoline Generator
> I only travel to other states a few times per year. I let a commercial 
> airline get me there, most times. Because driving is not worth the 
> time nor *risk* (accidents, breakdowns, weather events, etc.) 
> 
> [Vegas or SoCal are worth the drive as I have other activities that 
> I can take in when I've got "wheels". But, see below...] 
> 
> Rent a car if you need to go any significant distance. Fuel will be 
> available at damn near every corner. AND, if it breaks down, you 
> call the rental company: "YOUR car is broken. Come get/fix it!"

Well, AAA+ is like public transport for EV, and very reasonable (read the stalled EV thread).  You can't beat $25 for moving the car 100 miles.  I only need it going into Vegas and getting out of LA.  I can always do infinte one way loop of SF-LA-LV without problem.

On 5/3/2023 8:16 AM, Don Y wrote:
> Rent a car if you need to go any significant distance.  Fuel will be
> available at damn near every corner.  AND, if it breaks down, you
> call the rental company:  "YOUR car is broken.  Come get/fix it!"

Similarly, I don't keep a "truck" for the few times each year that
I might need one.  Borrow from a friend, have THEM drive you, or
rent and I can solve my infrequent hauling problems without having
to commit to the hassle of owning/maintaining another vehicle.

On 5/3/2023 8:11 AM, Ed Lee wrote:

>> Forget the proselytizing. Why would you want to CONTINUE with something 
>> that is proving to be such a hassle? I could see if it was something that 
>> you used infrequently -- like a weedwacker that is a pain to rethread the 
>> cutting line... you can opt to put up with it because it makes trimming 
>> weeds so much easier. But, I'm going to hop in the car and buy some 
>> groceries. Then, two hours later, I'll head out for another trip (store
>> opens later). I'd surely not want to have to wonder/worry about whether or
>> not I can make both trips, regardless of traffic, temperature sitting in
>> stopped traffic under the sun, etc. There's just more important things for
>> me to worry about than "fuel".
>> 
>> [I have literally no idea where the cheapest fuel is, in town. But, I
>> *do* know where the most *convenient* -- to my typical other activities --
>> fuel is available. As its a commodity, I don't expect to see
>> significantly different prices from one place to another. Just like I
>> expect Planters Peanuts to cost *roughly* the same in a given tier of
>> shops]
> 
> But i only do long distance few times per year and I got plan B (AAA+) and C
> (GG).  Local charging/driving within the bay area is fine.
> 
> AAA+: 4x100miles towing GG: Gasoline Generator

I only travel to other states a few times per year.  I let a commercial
airline get me there, most times.  Because driving is not worth the
time nor *risk* (accidents, breakdowns, weather events, etc.)

[Vegas or SoCal are worth the drive as I have other activities that
I can take in when I've got "wheels".  But, see below...]

Rent a car if you need to go any significant distance.  Fuel will be
available at damn near every corner.  AND, if it breaks down, you
call the rental company:  "YOUR car is broken.  Come get/fix it!"

On Wednesday, May 3, 2023 at 8:04:29 AM UTC-7, Don Y wrote:
> On 5/3/2023 7:41 AM, Ed Lee wrote: 
> > On Wednesday, May 3, 2023 at 7:31:48 AM UTC-7, Don Y wrote: 
> >> On 5/3/2023 6:57 AM, Ed Lee wrote: 
> >>> CSU (Cal State U) is now anti-EV. During the pandemic, I got kicked out 
> >>> of their chargers. Now, all chargers go dark. I have to go 8 miles north 
> >>> to the charger in Cere. The charger looks and feels like ChargePoint, 
> >>> but i got an email that my EvGo account will be charged. The only link 
> >>> between EVGO and CHPT is my email address. 
> >>> 
> >>> Did EVGO hijacked CHPT? 
> >> This seems like a shitload of effort just to "refuel" a device that you 
> >> likely use daily. I can think of two "gas stations" that have closed in 
> >> the decades I've been here: one associated with a grocery store (why is a 
> >> grocery store selling fuel?) and the other to make way for a coffee shop 
> >> -- likely because there are far too many gas stations (and not enough 
> >> coffee shops???) 
> > 
> > Yes, driving EV is very challenging. I am just experiencing it to report the 
> > fact, just the fact, as a matter of fact. I am not anti-EV or anti-ICE. 
> > It's for some people, but not all people, certainly not 100% by 2040. Since 
> > I get hit from both EV fans and ICE lovers, I must be correct.
> Forget the proselytizing. Why would you want to CONTINUE with something 
> that is proving to be such a hassle? I could see if it was something that 
> you used infrequently -- like a weedwacker that is a pain to rethread the 
> cutting line... you can opt to put up with it because it makes trimming 
> weeds so much easier. But, I'm going to hop in the car and buy some 
> groceries. Then, two hours later, I'll head out for another trip 
> (store opens later). I'd surely not want to have to wonder/worry about 
> whether or not I can make both trips, regardless of traffic, temperature 
> sitting in stopped traffic under the sun, etc. There's just more important 
> things for me to worry about than "fuel". 
> 
> [I have literally no idea where the cheapest fuel is, in town. But, I *do* 
> know where the most *convenient* -- to my typical other activities -- fuel 
> is available. As its a commodity, I don't expect to see significantly 
> different prices from one place to another. Just like I expect Planters 
> Peanuts to cost *roughly* the same in a given tier of shops]

But i only do long distance few times per year and I got plan B (AAA+) and C (GG).  Local charging/driving within the bay area is fine.

AAA+: 4x100miles towing
GG: Gasoline Generator