Reply by krw...@att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz●October 21, 20122012-10-21
On Sun, 21 Oct 2012 10:13:46 -0500, "Rocky" <wookiee@att.net> wrote:
>
>"Rocky" <wookiee@att.net> wrote in message
>news:Wb6dnYuYPImB1fHNnZ2dnUVZ_tidnZ2d@giganews.com...
>>
>> "William Sommerwerck" <grizzledgeezer@comcast.net> wrote in message
>> news:k4hen1$ngj$1@dont-email.me...
>>>>> Using anything shortens its working life.
>>>
>>>> I can vouch for the remark made but I can give you more details too:
>>>
>>>> I use smartphones, tablets and laptops to listen to internet radio all
>>>> the
>>>> time and I've only had one device that suffered because of that. What
>>>> happened to that particular device is the WiFi quit working and it
>>>> doesn't
>>>> even work after a factory reset.
>>>
>>> Who knows why the WiFi quit? The radio could have failed simply because
>>> the
>>> chip went bad.
>>>
>>> HP has had problems with the radios in some of its notebooks.
>>
>> Yes, I've heard that and I've even seen one person that no longer has WiFi
>> on their HP notebook but they claimed it was the switch itself that quit
>> working so I try not to use the hardware WiFi switch on an HP notebook.
>>
>> Me, I've had a power plug fail on an HP ZD7000 notebook and that was
>> common for that particular notebook.
>>
>> I've also had a DVD fail on an HP DV8000 notebook but when the second DVD
>> failed too I went back to the first DVD and it has been working fine since
>> then. I doubt if I'll ever figure that one out unless if it was a problem
>> with the connector.
>>
>> Other than that, I've seen a lot of videos on youtube with problematic HPs
>> where if it isn't the WiFi that goes out it is the video. Case in point:
>>
>> HP 's Worst Laptop Ever - Pavilion ZD8000 -
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2stqQtQePcM&hd=1
>>
>> Oddly enough I skipped getting the HP ZD8000 because I went from an HP
>> ZD7000 to the HP DV8000 where the ZD8000 looks more like the ZD7000 than
>> the DV8000.
>>
>> FYI the only device I had that lost the WiFi was a Pharos Traveler 137
>> that I got real cheap when a place was getting rid of them so I wasn't too
>> upset when the WiFi quit on that.
>>><http://www.pharosgps.com/products/proddetail.asp?prod=001_PTL137_8.00><
>
>FYI I recently copied a bunch of songs up to a micro SDHC card and I can
>still use bluetooth A2DP to play those songs through the speakers connected
>to a laptop with bluetooth. So that means even though the WiFi quit working
>on the device mentioned above the bluetooth still seems to work OK so they
>must not be using the same transmitter or same receiver.
"Rocky" <wookiee@att.net> wrote in message
news:Wb6dnYuYPImB1fHNnZ2dnUVZ_tidnZ2d@giganews.com...
>
> "William Sommerwerck" <grizzledgeezer@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:k4hen1$ngj$1@dont-email.me...
>>>> Using anything shortens its working life.
>>
>>> I can vouch for the remark made but I can give you more details too:
>>
>>> I use smartphones, tablets and laptops to listen to internet radio all
>>> the
>>> time and I've only had one device that suffered because of that. What
>>> happened to that particular device is the WiFi quit working and it
>>> doesn't
>>> even work after a factory reset.
>>
>> Who knows why the WiFi quit? The radio could have failed simply because
>> the
>> chip went bad.
>>
>> HP has had problems with the radios in some of its notebooks.
>
> Yes, I've heard that and I've even seen one person that no longer has WiFi
> on their HP notebook but they claimed it was the switch itself that quit
> working so I try not to use the hardware WiFi switch on an HP notebook.
>
> Me, I've had a power plug fail on an HP ZD7000 notebook and that was
> common for that particular notebook.
>
> I've also had a DVD fail on an HP DV8000 notebook but when the second DVD
> failed too I went back to the first DVD and it has been working fine since
> then. I doubt if I'll ever figure that one out unless if it was a problem
> with the connector.
>
> Other than that, I've seen a lot of videos on youtube with problematic HPs
> where if it isn't the WiFi that goes out it is the video. Case in point:
>
> HP 's Worst Laptop Ever - Pavilion ZD8000 -
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2stqQtQePcM&hd=1
>
> Oddly enough I skipped getting the HP ZD8000 because I went from an HP
> ZD7000 to the HP DV8000 where the ZD8000 looks more like the ZD7000 than
> the DV8000.
>
> FYI the only device I had that lost the WiFi was a Pharos Traveler 137
> that I got real cheap when a place was getting rid of them so I wasn't too
> upset when the WiFi quit on that.
>><http://www.pharosgps.com/products/proddetail.asp?prod=001_PTL137_8.00><
FYI I recently copied a bunch of songs up to a micro SDHC card and I can
still use bluetooth A2DP to play those songs through the speakers connected
to a laptop with bluetooth. So that means even though the WiFi quit working
on the device mentioned above the bluetooth still seems to work OK so they
must not be using the same transmitter or same receiver.
http://www.mobileburn.com/definition.jsp?term=A2DP
Rocky
Reply by Michael A. Terrell●October 15, 20122012-10-15
Jasen Betts wrote:
>
> On 2012-10-12, Michael A. Terrell <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> > The projector bulbs in the old RCA TP66 film chain were mounted in a
> > vertical line. If you used the bottom lamp, and let it switch the to
> > spare on top, they had a short life of a little over 20 hours. If you
> > ran the top lamp, with the spare at the bottom, the life was over five
> > times longer. The projector used a motorized track, with a relay in
> > series with the filament. When the filament opened, the relay dropped
> > out and turned on the motor. In either position, it would run to look
> > for the other bulb when the one in use failed. I would pull the bad
> > lamp and move the good lamp to the top at the next film change, then put
> > the new lamp in the bottom socket. I averaged over 130 hours per lamp,
> > that way.
>
> Are you saying that 20 hours resting above the working lamp knocked 100
> hours off the lifeime? In other words, if you did the opposite did that
> reduce the life of every lamp to 20 hours.
It did it to three in a row. We were on the air with film for about
75 hours a week, on a two projector film chain. We were issued six
lamps for three months, then had to find other sources.
> Or was it 130 hours above the working lamp that reduced the life of
> the spare by 100 hours?
>
> It seems surprising that the lamps were so readily damaged by
> environmental heat
They were in a steel & aluminum box with little ventilation, and in a
non air conditioned environment. the control room could reach 95
degrees on summer afternoons. The glass would distort & sag before the
filament opened. The projectors were run off a motorized Sola
Adjust-A-Volt to keep the line voltage at 120 V. It was used instead of
a CVT, because of the cap run motors in the projectors.
You couldn't leave the doors open, because wild animals would come
into the building. The only thing that couldn't were the huge buffalo
that wouldn't fit through the door.
Reply by Jasen Betts●October 13, 20122012-10-13
On 2012-10-12, Michael A. Terrell <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> wrote:
> The projector bulbs in the old RCA TP66 film chain were mounted in a
> vertical line. If you used the bottom lamp, and let it switch the to
> spare on top, they had a short life of a little over 20 hours. If you
> ran the top lamp, with the spare at the bottom, the life was over five
> times longer. The projector used a motorized track, with a relay in
> series with the filament. When the filament opened, the relay dropped
> out and turned on the motor. In either position, it would run to look
> for the other bulb when the one in use failed. I would pull the bad
> lamp and move the good lamp to the top at the next film change, then put
> the new lamp in the bottom socket. I averaged over 130 hours per lamp,
> that way.
Are you saying that 20 hours resting above the working lamp knocked 100
hours off the lifeime? in other words, I
f you did the opposite did that reduce the
life of every lamp to 20 hours.
Or was it 130 hours above the working lamp that reduced the life of
the spare by 100 hours?
It seems surprising that the lamps were so readily damaged by
environmental heat
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Reply by Michael A. Terrell●October 13, 20122012-10-13
Phil Hobbs wrote:
>
> On 10/12/2012 01:38 PM, Michael A. Terrell wrote:
> >
> > Phil Hobbs wrote:
> >>
> >> On 10/11/2012 07:18 PM, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
> >>> In article<ju2e78dvhsud46mljvoujn8kn69bqikpjr@4ax.com>,
> >>> Jeff Liebermann<jeffl@cruzio.com> wrote:
> >>>> The lobby and foyer lights were mounted on the ceiling, pointing down.
> >>>> One would think that there would be plenty of hot air accumulating
> >>>> near the ceiling, but that wasn't the case. That's where the fan
> >>>> ducts were located which helped to cool the lights. Few of those
> >>>> lights ever burned out.
> >>>
> >>>> The marquee lamps were mounted on a vertical structure, with the lamps
> >>>> pointed horizontally.
> >>>
> >>> Vertical mounting for a GLS lamp seems to give a better life than other
> >>> orientations. A rough service type may have had a better life in this
> >>> application.
> >>>
> >>
> >> The filament temperature goes up more slowly than the ambient, since
> >> it's radiatively cooled, but a rise of, say, 50 degrees would probably
> >> have a significant effect on bulb life.
> >
> >
> > The projector bulbs in the old RCA TP66 film chain were mounted in a
> > vertical line. If you used the bottom lamp, and let it switch the to
> > spare on top, they had a short life of a little over 20 hours. If you
> > ran the top lamp, with the spare at the bottom, the life was over five
> > times longer. The projector used a motorized track, with a relay in
> > series with the filament. When the filament opened, the relay dropped
> > out and turned on the motor. In either position, it would run to look
> > for the other bulb when the one in use failed. I would pull the bad
> > lamp and move the good lamp to the top at the next film change, then put
> > the new lamp in the bottom socket. I averaged over 130 hours per lamp,
> > that way.
>
> That's interesting--just storing the bulb at higher temperature reduced
> its life that badly, even if it wasn't energized? The only mechanism I
> can think of for that is that they leaked and let oxygen in. Otherwise
> glass and metal should be unaffected by ~100 C temperatures. But then
> they should leak even worse when energized. Another mystery, Scoob.
>
> Hot tungsten doesn't have a very high emissivity in the IR, so
> probably the filament temperature is more sensitive to ambient
> temperature than one would expect from the T**4 dependence from Stefan's
> law for black bodies. Raising the temperature by 1 degree at 3000 K
> makes the radiation go up by 1000 times more than at 300 K, so the
> filament regulates its own temperature quite closely if it's really a
> black body.
The glass on these projection lamps was usually distorted, by the
time they failed.
Reply by Phil Hobbs●October 13, 20122012-10-13
On 10/12/2012 01:38 PM, Michael A. Terrell wrote:
>
> Phil Hobbs wrote:
>>
>> On 10/11/2012 07:18 PM, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
>>> In article<ju2e78dvhsud46mljvoujn8kn69bqikpjr@4ax.com>,
>>> Jeff Liebermann<jeffl@cruzio.com> wrote:
>>>> The lobby and foyer lights were mounted on the ceiling, pointing down.
>>>> One would think that there would be plenty of hot air accumulating
>>>> near the ceiling, but that wasn't the case. That's where the fan
>>>> ducts were located which helped to cool the lights. Few of those
>>>> lights ever burned out.
>>>
>>>> The marquee lamps were mounted on a vertical structure, with the lamps
>>>> pointed horizontally.
>>>
>>> Vertical mounting for a GLS lamp seems to give a better life than other
>>> orientations. A rough service type may have had a better life in this
>>> application.
>>>
>>
>> The filament temperature goes up more slowly than the ambient, since
>> it's radiatively cooled, but a rise of, say, 50 degrees would probably
>> have a significant effect on bulb life.
>
>
> The projector bulbs in the old RCA TP66 film chain were mounted in a
> vertical line. If you used the bottom lamp, and let it switch the to
> spare on top, they had a short life of a little over 20 hours. If you
> ran the top lamp, with the spare at the bottom, the life was over five
> times longer. The projector used a motorized track, with a relay in
> series with the filament. When the filament opened, the relay dropped
> out and turned on the motor. In either position, it would run to look
> for the other bulb when the one in use failed. I would pull the bad
> lamp and move the good lamp to the top at the next film change, then put
> the new lamp in the bottom socket. I averaged over 130 hours per lamp,
> that way.
That's interesting--just storing the bulb at higher temperature reduced
its life that badly, even if it wasn't energized? The only mechanism I
can think of for that is that they leaked and let oxygen in. Otherwise
glass and metal should be unaffected by ~100 C temperatures. But then
they should leak even worse when energized. Another mystery, Scoob.
Hot tungsten doesn't have a very high emissivity in the IR, so
probably the filament temperature is more sensitive to ambient
temperature than one would expect from the T**4 dependence from Stefan's
law for black bodies. Raising the temperature by 1 degree at 3000 K
makes the radiation go up by 1000 times more than at 300 K, so the
filament regulates its own temperature quite closely if it's really a
black body.
Cheers
Phil Hobbs
--
Dr Philip C D Hobbs
Principal Consultant
ElectroOptical Innovations LLC
Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics
160 North State Road #203
Briarcliff Manor NY 10510
hobbs at electrooptical dot net
http://electrooptical.net
Reply by Michael A. Terrell●October 12, 20122012-10-12
Phil Hobbs wrote:
>
> On 10/11/2012 07:18 PM, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
> > In article<ju2e78dvhsud46mljvoujn8kn69bqikpjr@4ax.com>,
> > Jeff Liebermann<jeffl@cruzio.com> wrote:
> >> The lobby and foyer lights were mounted on the ceiling, pointing down.
> >> One would think that there would be plenty of hot air accumulating
> >> near the ceiling, but that wasn't the case. That's where the fan
> >> ducts were located which helped to cool the lights. Few of those
> >> lights ever burned out.
> >
> >> The marquee lamps were mounted on a vertical structure, with the lamps
> >> pointed horizontally.
> >
> > Vertical mounting for a GLS lamp seems to give a better life than other
> > orientations. A rough service type may have had a better life in this
> > application.
> >
>
> The filament temperature goes up more slowly than the ambient, since
> it's radiatively cooled, but a rise of, say, 50 degrees would probably
> have a significant effect on bulb life.
The projector bulbs in the old RCA TP66 film chain were mounted in a
vertical line. If you used the bottom lamp, and let it switch the to
spare on top, they had a short life of a little over 20 hours. If you
ran the top lamp, with the spare at the bottom, the life was over five
times longer. The projector used a motorized track, with a relay in
series with the filament. When the filament opened, the relay dropped
out and turned on the motor. In either position, it would run to look
for the other bulb when the one in use failed. I would pull the bad
lamp and move the good lamp to the top at the next film change, then put
the new lamp in the bottom socket. I averaged over 130 hours per lamp,
that way.
Reply by Phil Hobbs●October 12, 20122012-10-12
On 10/11/2012 07:18 PM, Dave Plowman (News) wrote:
> In article<ju2e78dvhsud46mljvoujn8kn69bqikpjr@4ax.com>,
> Jeff Liebermann<jeffl@cruzio.com> wrote:
>> The lobby and foyer lights were mounted on the ceiling, pointing down.
>> One would think that there would be plenty of hot air accumulating
>> near the ceiling, but that wasn't the case. That's where the fan
>> ducts were located which helped to cool the lights. Few of those
>> lights ever burned out.
>
>> The marquee lamps were mounted on a vertical structure, with the lamps
>> pointed horizontally.
>
> Vertical mounting for a GLS lamp seems to give a better life than other
> orientations. A rough service type may have had a better life in this
> application.
>
The filament temperature goes up more slowly than the ambient, since
it's radiatively cooled, but a rise of, say, 50 degrees would probably
have a significant effect on bulb life.
Cheers
Phil Hobbs
--
Dr Philip C D Hobbs
Principal Consultant
ElectroOptical Innovations LLC
Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics
160 North State Road #203
Briarcliff Manor NY 10510
hobbs at electrooptical dot net
http://electrooptical.net
Reply by ●October 12, 20122012-10-12
Mark Zacharias wrote:
> "���hw��f" <snuhwolf@netscape.net> wrote in message
> news:k56sn5$8u7$1@dont-email.me...
>> Mark Zacharias wrote:
>>> "���hw��f" <snuhwolf@netscape.net> wrote in message
>>> news:k548cn$d53$1@dont-email.me...
>>>> default wrote:
>>>>> On Sat, 06 Oct 2012 10:51:47 -0600, ���hw��f <snuhwolf@netscape.net>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Phil Hobbs wrote:
>>>>>>> [......]
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Stew Leonard's Espresso Roast, roasted fresh daily in sunny
>>>>>>> Yonkers. Best beans I've ever come across, and worth the trip.
>>>>>>> Always a crowd pleaser.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Cheers
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Phil Hobbs
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sorry to hijack this thread but I have an actual electronics
>>>>>> repair question: how do I go about getting my old AIWA CX-NA10
>>>>>> stereo system to read CD's again? Is the lazer bad? It detects the
>>>>>> cd and spins up but wont play it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Have you taken it apart yet? Try cleaning the lens. In a dirty,
>>>>> smoky or wet environment the lenses can become coated with stuff.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> I had it "working" a little after all that and an adjustment to the
>>>> potentiometer on the back of the lazer as instructed. However it
>>>> would only read one specific CD and scratched some CD's when it went
>>>> thru its ejection cycle (disks would not spin down before ejection!)
>>>> so I removed the tray and wont use it anymore. Further research
>>>> indicated AIWA was part of a class action lawsuit in the 90's due to
>>>> their CD players being crap. They're out of business now anyway.
>>>> Good riddance.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> http://howlingforjustice.wordpress.com
>>>> www.snuhwolf.9f.com|www.savewolves.org
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>>>
>>>
>>> Aiwa is still around as I understand it. They're owned by Sony.
>>
>> I haven't seen any new kit from them in any stores for years. Sony
>> bought them out and killed it off:
>>
>> "Since 2004, however, Sony seemingly began rolling back its support
>> for the Aiwa brand, and by 2005 Aiwa products remained on sale in only
>> selected territories around the globe. In 2006, Aiwa products were
>> discontinued and no longer sold in the market.
>>
>> As of September 2011, the Aiwa website still existed to provide
>> customer-support telephone numbers for some territories and regions,
>> but it also contained many broken links and blank pages. In other
>> regions, such as Europe, it redirected to a page on the Sony website
>> stating that the Aiwa website had closed. The last apparent update to
>> the website was in June 2008.[1]"
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aiwa
>>
>>
>>> The biggest problem with their 3-cd models was that so much dust
>>> would get into the lasers that even cleaning eventually would not be
>>> enough and the laser would need to be replaced.
>>> By the way, the lasers were made by Sony, the same pickups used by
>>> many manufacturers at the time.
>>>
>> Wanna buy a used laser? Heh...its a 1997.
>>
>>> Worked on many of them, the customers were mostly satisfied.
>>>
>>> Later models had sliding covers that covered up the laser lens when
>>> not playing. This helped but of course was not a perfect solution.
>>>
>>> Mark Z.
>>
>> We have another one, made in 2001, the tape decks on that one dont
>> work. So, to recap: we have two units from failed electronics maker
>> AIWA, and both have non-working components. My conclusion: AIWA was
>> rightly killed off by Sony since its quality sucked balls.
>>
>> Oh, but we also have a SHARP single CD unit from 1991, it works
>> *perfectly*.
>>
>> --
>> http://howlingforjustice.wordpress.com
>> www.snuhwolf.9f.com|www.savewolves.org
>> _____ ____ ____ __ /\_/\ __ _ ______ _____
>> / __/ |/ / / / / // // . . \\ \ |\ | / __ \ \ \ __\
>> _\ \/ / /_/ / _ / \ / \ \| \| \ \_\ \ \__\ _\
>> /___/_/|_/\____/_//_/ \_@_/ \__|\__|\____/\____\_\
>
>
> The tape decks have belt problems, like every other brand. The Aiwa's
> were a very cost-effective item at their price point.
Translation: you get what you pay for.
> I have no desire to defend Aiwa - I find many of their products
> difficult to service. But it sounds to me like perhaps the problem here
> may be as much the technician as the product.
>
> Mark Z.
Reply by Jeff Liebermann●October 12, 20122012-10-12
On Thu, 11 Oct 2012 05:55:15 -0700 (PDT), George Herold
<gherold@teachspin.com> wrote:
>On Oct 10, 11:50�pm, Jeff Liebermann <je...@cruzio.com> wrote:
>> On Mon, 8 Oct 2012 06:27:05 -0700 (PDT), George Herold
>>
>> <gher...@teachspin.com> wrote:
>> >Hi SEB. �Well I sent an email to Don klipstein on this topic. �And
>> >have permission to copy his reply.
>> ><from Don K. below>
>> >2: �In incandescent traffic signals, the bulbs for yellow last
>> >longer than for red and green. �So even after being switched on
>> >and off about a million times, on-time is still a significant
>> >factor in life expectancy.
>>
>> That means for my proposed test comparing a 50% duty cycle flashing
>> light bulb, with one that is on continuously, the continuous light
>> bulb will burn out first. �That's the opposite of what I saw with the
>> theater marquee bulbs. �Now, I'm really tempted to run the experiment.
>Experiments can be very useful.
Yep. However, it's more fun to predict, speculate, guess, reverse
engineer, and maybe calculate.
>I'd worry most about how you turn on the bulbs.
>Maybe just some simple relays?
No. I didn't want to life test the relay contacts, just the light
bulbs. I have plenty of solid state switches that will suffice. The
reason I wanted two was to make sure the voltage drop across the
switch was the same for both the flashing and continuous bulbs.
>1,000 hours isn't all that long. (or are you going to over-voltage
>the bulbs?)
>I guess I'd want at least 10 bulbs in each group. Say 60 watts.....
>1200 kW-hrs.
Much as I would like to use a rack of bulbs,
<http://pinterest.com/pin/172122016978363241/>
<http://pinterest.com/pin/172122016978761590/>
I think two bulbs will suffice for a start. The plan of the moment is
to use a variac to boost the voltage from 120VAC to about 135VAC,
which should reduce the 1000 hr life to a more tolerable 112 hrs.
Cut-n-paste from a previous posting:
Instead, an accelerated life test can be done with higher than normal
voltages.
<http://www.welchallyn.com/documents/Lighting/OEM_Halogen_Lighting/MC3544HPX_Catalog_2_11_09.pdf>
For halogen bulbs, they use:
Life = (Vdesign / Vapplied)^12.0 * Life at design voltage
For a 1000 hr lamp running at 120% of the rated voltage, the life
might be:
life = (1/1.2)^12 * 1000 = 112 hrs
which is more reasonable.
>That's looking like more money than I'd want to spend on the
>electricity.
I'm trying to determine where to run the test. I don't want a
flashing bulb in my bedroom. I also don't want to run an unattended
rack of bulbs in the office which could become a fire hazard. Methinks
just 2 bulbs and a 3-4 day accelerated test will be sufficient.